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Senior employee's and their fear of young employee's

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At work the senior guy who was 65 got injured and said he would retire, after his surgeries he came back and said he wanted to start work again. This is a big problem as I was moved to the senior slot, have performed far better in terms of precision of work, problem solving and far less comeback ratio. Before he said he would retire close to 50% of his work either did not work or came back shortly after with major issues. If people did not know I mostly work with automatic transmissions, as well as automotive, and have done such since I was young.


Well the boss informed me of such, and did not want him back, though she may be legally obligated to hire him back and wants to in that case hire him back and task him for cleanup duties. This guy I saw as a backstabber since day one, always acting friendly but trying to set others up for failure as if he was scared of any competition to his job, and looking at it now it looks like his retirement was a ploy in hopes I would do poorly and they would beg him to come back only to realize they did not, and instead him demanding to be brought back.


In todays world how many have dealt with this, senior employees paranoid of competition, and even going as far as sabotaging any hope of a successor as they fear it would hurt their own security.
 
At work the senior guy who was 65 got injured and said he would retire, after his surgeries he came back and said he wanted to start work again. This is a big problem as I was moved to the senior slot, have performed far better in terms of precision of work, problem solving and far less comeback ratio. Before he said he would retire close to 50% of his work either did not work or came back shortly after with major issues. If people did not know I mostly work with automatic transmissions, as well as automotive, and have done such since I was young.


Well the boss informed me of such, and did not want him back, though she may be legally obligated to hire him back and wants to in that case hire him back and task him for cleanup duties. This guy I saw as a backstabber since day one, always acting friendly but trying to set others up for failure as if he was scared of any competition to his job, and looking at it now it looks like his retirement was a ploy in hopes I would do poorly and they would beg him to come back only to realize they did not, and instead him demanding to be brought back.


In todays world how many have dealt with this, senior employees paranoid of competition, and even going as far as sabotaging any hope of a successor as they fear it would hurt their own security.

In my career I have been constantly given chances to try to improve the technology in certain businesses but once I show them all what needs to be done, they usually do not go through with it or only some aspects and then I move on. It's so bad at the place I am in now that they didn't even come to me for a suggestion/ideas because they are terrified of changes and want everything done on the cheap/for free.
 
Your management is the root cause here IMO.

Being ethically weak is the norm for people. He sound weak, and I doubt it's about age. He has likely been this all his life, and treats any threat the same. A threat being, someone who works hard/well. In a good team, a threat should be poor workers, not good workers. If that is incorrect, then there is a management issue in most cases.

Managers however are supposed to screen them out (interviews/hiring), and set a culture that roundly rejects such weakness in the workplace, resulting in the teams and management all promptly removing weak workers who DO happen to make it through screening. He has apparently worked much of his life without sufficient correct/mentorship/leadership. At this age he should either be faking like he's a decent person at work, or actually be one.


I'm not saying you can always have the luxury to pick and choose, but just be aware of how critical it is...when you do have a choice....to evaluate your manager/management. If they are really trying to be merit-based and reasonable, that's a keeper. If they are just trying to get by or have major flaws in their work behavior, be cautious. And if you ever rise to management or strike out on your own...be aware of how it all will reflect on how you run your shop/team.
 
Front line management is a major problem when it comes to this kind of thing. Once they get an office instead of a cubicle they retire in place and don't want workers bothering them. In my working years I took the abuse just until I found a better job, then I turned in my notice. Several others I worked with and were excellent techs have done the same and left a void in the workforce that was hard to fill.
YOU have to protect YOUR career by being ready to leave when the current job becomes untenable. Have your own medical plan and retirement plan that cannot be impacted by your employer. That is a key part of being your own man/woman and not just a wage slave.
 
FWIW, I've never witnessed such a thing in my industry.
 
In my career I have been constantly given chances to try to improve the technology in certain businesses but once I show them all what needs to be done, they usually do not go through with it or only some aspects and then I move on. It's so bad at the place I am in now that they didn't even come to me for a suggestion/ideas because they are terrified of changes and want everything done on the cheap/for free.

In my career the senior people tend to fight any newcomers who are anything other than assistants,while crying the industry is dying because there is no new blood.

I learned watching many industries outside the industry I work in, promotions and climbing the ladder is what brings in young people, no young person wants to enter an industry to be at the bottom for 20-30 years because snior members fight competition to their positions or simply try to stay working there long past retirement age, promotions require people to cycle, some leave other retire, however if too many stay and people refuse t retire and try to work until 70 or 75, is halts promotion among the younger employees, and younger people expect promotion, to put in their time and climb the ladder, not stick in a frozen promotion environment.
 
In my career the senior people tend to fight any newcomers who are anything other than assistants,while crying the industry is dying because there is no new blood.

I learned watching many industries outside the industry I work in, promotions and climbing the ladder is what brings in young people, no young person wants to enter an industry to be at the bottom for 20-30 years because snior members fight competition to their positions or simply try to stay working there long past retirement age, promotions require people to cycle, some leave other retire, however if too many stay and people refuse t retire and try to work until 70 or 75, is halts promotion among the younger employees, and younger people expect promotion, to put in their time and climb the ladder, not stick in a frozen promotion environment.

The good thing about working where I work is the team. Sure they are practically technology idiots who call themselves IT, but at least they are not micromanagers who breathe down your necks and we have high turnover (most people don't last a year) in other depts which I know were from micromanagers. That's why I'm on DP more often during the daytime rather than the evenings. It's the easiest job I ever had, but the pay and what I've "learned" here is apparently crap to my industry so much so that I'm considering changing careers. The job has stifled my career growth, and I'm left wondering if co-workers who left had similar problems getting out/finding new jobs. I'm also wondering if the company has a bad rap due to this and other national scandals, that have since plagued the organization because I have not been able to get hired anywhere.

I'm 29 turning 30, so not too young but getting older. Most of the people who left were of that age or younger or older and "chose" to retire...
 
The good thing about working where I work is the team. Sure they are practically technology idiots who call themselves IT, but at least they are not micromanagers who breathe down your necks and we have high turnover (most people don't last a year) in other depts which I know were from micromanagers. That's why I'm on DP more often during the daytime rather than the evenings. It's the easiest job I ever had, but the pay and what I've "learned" here is apparently crap to my industry so much so that I'm considering changing careers. The job has stifled my career growth, and I'm left wondering if co-workers who left had similar problems getting out/finding new jobs. I'm also wondering if the company has a bad rap due to this and other national scandals, that have since plagued the organization because I have not been able to get hired anywhere.

I'm 29 turning 30, so not too young but getting older. Most of the people who left were of that age or younger or older and chose to retire...

Enjoying your carreer is more important than the most money, if you can move up in ranks and enjoy your jobs I would think twice or three times before moving, it may be better or may be far worse, something you yourself need to think about and weigh your options.
 
At work the senior guy who was 65 got injured and said he would retire, after his surgeries he came back and said he wanted to start work again. This is a big problem as I was moved to the senior slot, have performed far better in terms of precision of work, problem solving and far less comeback ratio. Before he said he would retire close to 50% of his work either did not work or came back shortly after with major issues. If people did not know I mostly work with automatic transmissions, as well as automotive, and have done such since I was young.


Well the boss informed me of such, and did not want him back, though she may be legally obligated to hire him back and wants to in that case hire him back and task him for cleanup duties. This guy I saw as a backstabber since day one, always acting friendly but trying to set others up for failure as if he was scared of any competition to his job, and looking at it now it looks like his retirement was a ploy in hopes I would do poorly and they would beg him to come back only to realize they did not, and instead him demanding to be brought back.


In todays world how many have dealt with this, senior employees paranoid of competition, and even going as far as sabotaging any hope of a successor as they fear it would hurt their own security.

Just got notified I am being replaced by my assistant....she is 34....I am 58. She makes less than half of what I make, but the owner is convinced she is ready to take over. I have a 4 month contract to finish her training, then I am out. They will save nearly 100k annually...but she isn’t ready to handle it all. I guess you never really are....

She has trained for the job for 8 years, and is very good....just needs more seasoning. The other management is going to eat her alive.

So now wife and I are trying to decide what to do....we are thinking of buying a business....a doggie daycare boarding business....going to fly out and look at it in the next week or two....a second career, and more retirement income
 
Enjoying your carreer is more important than the most money, if you can move up in ranks and enjoy your jobs I would think twice or three times before moving, it may be better or may be far worse, something you yourself need to think about and weigh your options.

You know that was my attitude going into the job market, but as they say never turn your hobbies into work. Once you start getting paid doing something you like, it no longer becomes fun. Especially if you take a low paying job out of desperation and the company you work for doesn't even care about your industry. I'd rather make $20K more than what I'm making now, and have some respect in a company, rather than to be a a glorified assistant/maintenance guy.
 
Just got notified I am being replaced by my assistant....she is 34....I am 58. She makes less than half of what I make, but the owner is convinced she is ready to take over. I have a 4 month contract to finish her training, then I am out. They will save nearly 100k annually...but she isn’t ready to handle it all. I guess you never really are....

She has trained for the job for 8 years, and is very good....just needs more seasoning. The other management is going to eat her alive.

So now wife and I are trying to decide what to do....we are thinking of buying a business....a doggie daycare boarding business....going to fly out and look at it in the next week or two....a second career, and more retirement income

That sounds like the opposite of my situation where senior members try to block anyone from climbing the ranks but rather they are trying to push senior members out to save a buck. I had to work with international brand diesels before and they did the same thing and it nearly put them under, normal progression means people move through the ranks, but international instead fired many of their experienced engineers as well as mid level and replaced them with entry level because they were cheaper, and the result was international went from a top notch diesel company to being known as the lest reliable diesels on the market.
 
Just got notified I am being replaced by my assistant....she is 34....I am 58. She makes less than half of what I make, but the owner is convinced she is ready to take over. I have a 4 month contract to finish her training, then I am out. They will save nearly 100k annually...but she isn’t ready to handle it all. I guess you never really are....

She has trained for the job for 8 years, and is very good....just needs more seasoning. The other management is going to eat her alive.

So now wife and I are trying to decide what to do....we are thinking of buying a business....a doggie daycare boarding business....going to fly out and look at it in the next week or two....a second career, and more retirement income

She is really lucky a company values her worth when she saves them that type of money. I have saved the company I work at that much every year and they don't give rats ass. This after I even gave them a presentation after asking for a raise. It sucks that you are being fired though for the new young blood.
 
You know that was my attitude going into the job market, but as they say never turn your hobbies into work. Once you start getting paid doing something you like, it no longer becomes fun. Especially if you take a low paying job out of desperation and the company you work for doesn't even care about your industry. I'd rather make $20K more than what I'm making now, and have some respect in a company, rather than to be a a glorified assistant/maintenance guy.

That is your call, but I have seen before the grass is not always greener, and sometimes you need to observe that grass before taking the plunge. Like for my industry numerous others have offered me way more money, better flexibility etc, however my job is somewhat flexible as it is and all my checks are good. I watched numerous mechanics leave to go where money was better to find themselves getting checks that bounced even though the shop made record profits, or shops cutting labor hours paid to the mechanic while charging full amount to the customer.

You can use this logic anywhere, research that company, talk to people who worked there, some companies would rather hire lawyers than meet contract requirements and screw their employees over like they were disposable, if the money is better you need to make sure you get a company who writes good checks and is faithful to their employment contract.
 
That is your call, but I have seen before the grass is not always greener, and sometimes you need to observe that grass before taking the plunge. Like for my industry numerous others have offered me way more money, better flexibility etc, however my job is somewhat flexible as it is and all my checks are good. I watched numerous mechanics leave to go where money was better to find themselves getting checks that bounced even though the shop made record profits, or shops cutting labor hours paid to the mechanic while charging full amount to the customer.

You can use this logic anywhere, research that company, talk to people who worked there, some companies would rather hire lawyers than meet contract requirements and screw their employees over like they were disposable, if the money is better you need to make sure you get a company who writes good checks and is faithful to their employment contract.

I had one company years ago, that couldn't pay their employees for one week. That was terrible. Currently we are having trouble maintaining some tech contracts (extending 90 day deals) and our phones were shut off twice. Our principal "left" midway through the school year and most of the senior staff have retired in the past two years (at least the ones I built a relationship with). I know the grass isn't always greener, but this is a freaking sinking ship, I can't seem to get off.

Not to mention there's a pretty bad nationwide scandal going on within our brand...
 
I had one company years ago, that couldn't pay their employees for one week. That was terrible. Currently we are having trouble maintaining some tech contracts (extending 90 day deals) and our phones were shut off twice. Our principal "left" midway through the school year and most of the senior staff have retired in the past two years (at least the ones I built a relationship with). I know the grass isn't always greener, but this is a freaking sinking ship, I can't seem to get off.

Not to mention there's a pretty bad nationwide scandal going on within our brand...

Simply just search your options and investigate, all I am saying is do not be the guy to plunge into a job paying way more without researching what you are getting into first. The fact you are getting a paycheck means they hold some loyalty to their employees, some companies may not pay you while making record profits and others may stay loyal to employee obligations, but y advice if the pay offered is too good to be true it just may be that way and nothing more than a get in you in the door before they bend you over and grease you.
 
Simply just search your options and investigate, all I am saying is do not be the guy to plunge into a job paying way more without researching what you are getting into first. The fact you are getting a paycheck means they hold some loyalty to their employees, some companies may not pay you while making record profits and others may stay loyal to employee obligations, but y advice if the pay offered is too good to be true it just may be that way and nothing more than a get in you in the door before they bend you over and grease you.

Luckily I can be pretty picky thanks to how far I have made it already and I research the hell out of everything. Glassdoor is a great tool to figure out the management structure of companies before you apply. I've seen both situations on this thread after researching companies on that site.
 
At work the senior guy who was 65 got injured and said he would retire, after his surgeries he came back and said he wanted to start work again. This is a big problem as I was moved to the senior slot, have performed far better in terms of precision of work, problem solving and far less comeback ratio. Before he said he would retire close to 50% of his work either did not work or came back shortly after with major issues. If people did not know I mostly work with automatic transmissions, as well as automotive, and have done such since I was young.


Well the boss informed me of such, and did not want him back, though she may be legally obligated to hire him back and wants to in that case hire him back and task him for cleanup duties. This guy I saw as a backstabber since day one, always acting friendly but trying to set others up for failure as if he was scared of any competition to his job, and looking at it now it looks like his retirement was a ploy in hopes I would do poorly and they would beg him to come back only to realize they did not, and instead him demanding to be brought back.


In todays world how many have dealt with this, senior employees paranoid of competition, and even going as far as sabotaging any hope of a successor as they fear it would hurt their own security.

Wait till you are the senior employee....you will see.
 
Wait till you are the senior employee....you will see.

Naw I am awesome enough to do anything, ok you may be right, many of the older guys I have seen were revolutionaries in their fields at one point, but got stuck in the this is how we have always done it phase and get mad at anyone trying to innovate or anyone younger doing it better.

But I will say many successful companies do push those old people out of their titles, and the ones who retain them often keep them as tech advice and as a trainer for younger employees rather than keeping them at xyz position for a super long time which prevents promotions.
 
Naw I am awesome enough to do anything, ok you may be right, many of the older guys I have seen were revolutionaries in their fields at one point, but got stuck in the this is how we have always done it phase and get mad at anyone trying to innovate or anyone younger doing it better.

Famous last words.

Just wait.
 
At work the senior guy who was 65 got injured
was he injured on the job such that he was eligible to file for and receive workmans compensation benefits?
if not, what was the nature of his injury

... and said he would retire, after his surgeries he came back and said he wanted to start work again.
does the employer have written documentation that he intended to retire after recovering from his surgery?

This is a big problem as I was moved to the senior slot,
did you actually receive a documented promotion to his former position or were you doing his job in an acting capacity while he was recovering from his surgery?

... have performed far better in terms of precision of work, problem solving and far less comeback ratio. Before he said he would retire close to 50% of his work either did not work or came back shortly after with major issues.
if you have the stats to support this comparison, it should be evident to your employer that you are the guy who needs to remain in the lead position. so, do you have the stats? would you consider going somewhere else - not quitting but looking for a better alternative - if you were 'demoted' back to your former job?

If people did not know I mostly work with automatic transmissions, as well as automotive, and have done such since I was young.
from your posts over the years it is evident you are a very knowledgeable gearhead

Well the boss informed me of such, and did not want him back,
that is encouraging that your direct report prefers your work to the person formerly doing the same job

... though she may be legally obligated to hire him back
this is one reason for asking about his actual employment circumstance when he underwent surgery and recovery; was he still an employee eligible to return to his former position?

... and wants to in that case hire him back and task him for cleanup duties.
that sounds like a good outcome for you - that you would continue in your present role
which then causes me to ask, what is the problem if you remain in your promoted position at your current wage even tho the older fellow returns to work

This guy I saw as a backstabber since day one, always acting friendly but trying to set others up for failure as if he was scared of any competition to his job, and looking at it now it looks like his retirement was a ploy in hopes I would do poorly and they would beg him to come back only to realize they did not, and instead him demanding to be brought back.
if that was his actual ploy and he did actually retire/leave the employer, then he has no basis to expect to be re-hired
on the other hand, if he was out on workmans comp and never left the employer he would have an eligibility to return in many instances, but not necessarily in the same job position as the business needed to move forward without him during his absence. which might explain the reason for allowing him to return to do the clean up assignments
another scenario is that he was out on workmans comp at reduced salary (80%) and realized he could not afford to actually retire ("full" social security retirement is now achieved at 66 years of age)
is it possible he wants to return for the time required to make 'full' retirement
and if he is like most prospective retirees, he has little to nothing saved to supplement his social security income. don't know, but it would not be a surprising factor in his about face decision
but again, other than having him around to snipe at you, the young whippersnapper replacing him, i don't have a good feel for what you would lose if he returns

In todays world how many have dealt with this, senior employees paranoid of competition, and even going as far as sabotaging any hope of a successor as they fear it would hurt their own security.
it is self interest - and we should all practice it, no matter your age
being 66 and retired for 15 years, i have been able to recognize how out of touch i am with the work now being done in my former role. seeing that caused me to realize that i am also too much out of the loop to continue to represent employees as a union official. my not being current could adversely affect the interest of the employee in need of union representation. having seen too many sports figures stay in the game too long i have also told younger sports officials, whose wisdom i admire, that they would be doing me a great personal favor by telling me when it is time to hang up my officiating cleats. if we are fortunate, we live long enough to be put out to pasture
from your post, if the employer is legally able to do so, seems like this may be the time for your former lead mechanic to do some grazing
 
I think I would be looking for another job. If management could not see how bad this persons work was they most likely will hire even more losers eventually going under.
 
was he injured on the job such that he was eligible to file for and receive workmans compensation benefits?
if not, what was the nature of his injury


does the employer have written documentation that he intended to retire after recovering from his surgery?


did you actually receive a documented promotion to his former position or were you doing his job in an acting capacity while he was recovering from his surgery?


if you have the stats to support this comparison, it should be evident to your employer that you are the guy who needs to remain in the lead position. so, do you have the stats? would you consider going somewhere else - not quitting but looking for a better alternative - if you were 'demoted' back to your former job?


from your posts over the years it is evident you are a very knowledgeable gearhead


that is encouraging that your direct report prefers your work to the person formerly doing the same job


this is one reason for asking about his actual employment circumstance when he underwent surgery and recovery; was he still an employee eligible to return to his former position?


that sounds like a good outcome for you - that you would continue in your present role
which then causes me to ask, what is the problem if you remain in your promoted position at your current wage even tho the older fellow returns to work


if that was his actual ploy and he did actually retire/leave the employer, then he has no basis to expect to be re-hired
on the other hand, if he was out on workmans comp and never left the employer he would have an eligibility to return in many instances, but not necessarily in the same job position as the business needed to move forward without him during his absence. which might explain the reason for allowing him to return to do the clean up assignments
another scenario is that he was out on workmans comp at reduced salary (80%) and realized he could not afford to actually retire ("full" social security retirement is now achieved at 66 years of age)
is it possible he wants to return for the time required to make 'full' retirement
and if he is like most prospective retirees, he has little to nothing saved to supplement his social security income. don't know, but it would not be a surprising factor in his about face decision
but again, other than having him around to snipe at you, the young whippersnapper replacing him, i don't have a good feel for what you would lose if he returns


it is self interest - and we should all practice it, no matter your age
being 66 and retired for 15 years, i have been able to recognize how out of touch i am with the work now being done in my former role. seeing that caused me to realize that i am also too much out of the loop to continue to represent employees as a union official. my not being current could adversely affect the interest of the employee in need of union representation. having seen too many sports figures stay in the game too long i have also told younger sports officials, whose wisdom i admire, that they would be doing me a great personal favor by telling me when it is time to hang up my officiating cleats. if we are fortunate, we live long enough to be put out to pasture
from your post, if the employer is legally able to do so, seems like this may be the time for your former lead mechanic to do some grazing

You pretty much figured it out better than I can say, he announced his retirement but never put it on paper but rather through a texas handshake, which in texas is the same as an agreement, however simply proving such in court is a legal nightmare.

His injuries did put him on workmans comp but his retirement was anounced before his unjuries also, so I do not think th boss knows what to do yet.
 
At work the senior guy who was 65 got injured and said he would retire, after his surgeries he came back and said he wanted to start work again. This is a big problem as I was moved to the senior slot, have performed far better in terms of precision of work, problem solving and far less comeback ratio. Before he said he would retire close to 50% of his work either did not work or came back shortly after with major issues. If people did not know I mostly work with automatic transmissions, as well as automotive, and have done such since I was young.


Well the boss informed me of such, and did not want him back, though she may be legally obligated to hire him back and wants to in that case hire him back and task him for cleanup duties. This guy I saw as a backstabber since day one, always acting friendly but trying to set others up for failure as if he was scared of any competition to his job, and looking at it now it looks like his retirement was a ploy in hopes I would do poorly and they would beg him to come back only to realize they did not, and instead him demanding to be brought back.


In todays world how many have dealt with this, senior employees paranoid of competition, and even going as far as sabotaging any hope of a successor as they fear it would hurt their own security.

Are you attempting to make this strictly an age thing, as if anyone who has been on the job awhile automatically displays this tendency as a function of age?
That's pretty twisted, and when some young buck throws that same misanthropy your way, hate to say it, I won't feel the least bit of sympathy for you.

As Mach just pointed out, it's likely he's always been this way, and not because of age.

I don't take umbrage at your assertion that his work was sub-par, I am merely pointing out that everyone ages differently, and some age rather well. I sure hope you don't teach your kids that kind of value system, but it's none of my business if you do.
I just would prefer a way to identify people with that belief system right off, so I can avoid them in my place of employment by any means possible.

Please tell me this is not what you actually believe.

PS: As justabubba said, it is evident that you're very skilled and knowledgeable in your craft.
If you were local, I'd take my stuff to you every time, but if you believe old people automatically turn into backstabbers, I might have to rethink that.
 
Are you attempting to make this strictly an age thing, as if anyone who has been on the job awhile automatically displays this tendency as a function of age?
That's pretty twisted, and when some young buck throws that same misanthropy your way, hate to say it, I won't feel the least bit of sympathy for you.

As Mach just pointed out, it's likely he's always been this way, and not because of age.

I don't take umbrage at your assertion that his work was sub-par, I am merely pointing out that everyone ages differently, and some age rather well. I sure hope you don't teach your kids that kind of value system, but it's none of my business if you do.
I just would prefer a way to identify people with that belief system right off, so I can avoid them in my place of employment by any means possible.

Please tell me this is not what you actually believe.

I am pretty sure he was always that way, the boss has admitted he has been that way as long as he has worked for her. For me my skillset is a hard to find commodity, I could walk out of there and have a job in less than a day, infact my profession is in such a massive shortage that not having enough people of my skillset is a bigger threat to my job than someone doing my job better. I just can not see why such attitude towards competition.


But to be fair the boss has somewhat a similar attitude yet different, he is worried about someone being better than him, she is worried someone might be skilled and find a better job. For example transmissions are an oddity on cars, very few now know how to even diagnose them let alone work on them, any time I get an apprentice(all of them quit decided it was too hard) one thing I try to do is have them teardown a transmission and identify every failure and why it failed, and show afterwards everything they missed or got wrong. The reasoning was you can not diagnose something you do not understand, once they learn how bands, planetary gears, clutch packs, sealing rings, spool valves solenoid switch and pressure regulator valves etc work, they can diagnose the problem, but she views that as giving them enough knowlegde to find another job.
 
I am pretty sure he was always that way, the boss has admitted he has been that way as long as he has worked for her. For me my skillset is a hard to find commodity, I could walk out of there and have a job in less than a day, infact my profession is in such a massive shortage that not having enough people of my skillset is a bigger threat to my job than someone doing my job better. I just can not see why such attitude towards competition.


But to be fair the boss has somewhat a similar attitude yet different, he is worried about someone being better than him, she is worried someone might be skilled and find a better job. For example transmissions are an oddity on cars, very few now know how to even diagnose them let alone work on them, any time I get an apprentice(all of them quit decided it was too hard) one thing I try to do is have them teardown a transmission and identify every failure and why it failed, and show afterwards everything they missed or got wrong. The reasoning was you can not diagnose something you do not understand, once they learn how bands, planetary gears, clutch packs, sealing rings, spool valves solenoid switch and pressure regulator valves etc work, they can diagnose the problem, but she views that as giving them enough knowlegde to find another job.

So you DON'T think this is just about age...okay.
 
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