Senate approves Iraq bill calling for March 2008 pullout

[Ikari]

There's a great deal of misinformation out there. But watching a Jay Leno Jay Walking skit and saying liberals are uninformed cause it showed a few stupid people is not a proper conclusion. I would say most people who actually thought Bush/Kerry was a real choice were misinformed, but whatever. Nor did I claim one should run by polls, I did however make the claim that polls do reflect the concerns of the people towards the quality of job performed by the administration and if a President wishes to run a war, he had best be intelligent and informed enough on it so that he can make proper decisions and convince the people that he is doing a just, fair, and competent job which would be reflected in a long standing high approval rating.

 

[Navy Pride]

Quite so, isn't it time to have learned that lesson?

And that is?

 

[Ikari]

Quit going to war without a declaration of war.

 

[jfuh]

And the American people supported the war in Iraq at the onset, I beleive it was something like 70% supported the war, and then they reelected GWB in 2004 he is the CinC and he not the Congress nor public opinion polls dictate our military strategy in Iraq.

What was his strategy? His administration misled the public into thinking that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 yet it had absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with 9/11 nor did Saddam have anything to do with AQ.
Now the country overwhelmingly does not support the war, nor does congress - Bush is going to have to put his signature on the veto.

And WE THE PEOPLE elected GWB to be the CinC, and he has chosen not to fight a war based on public opinion polls and thank god for that.

I didn't elect him, that would be your job and those too ignorant to have seen that he was completely and still is completely incompetent.
He has also chosen to ignore every single suggestion from all the study groups that he instated.

 

[jfuh]

Horse **** it will be the first time in history that the congress has usurped the authority of the command in chief and threatened the very safety of our troops.......This is a sad and desperate precedent........

How has congress usurped the authority of CnC? Just more partisan talking points.

 

[jfuh]

Most of the American people are un informed, clueless I watched Jay Leno the other night interview liberals in NYC and he showed them a picture of Laura Bush and the Liberal said it was Hillary, another one had no clue who Pelosi was.............

Are you that cluless as to an inability to understand that The Tonight show is a comedy show?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What was his strategy? His administration misled the public into thinking that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 yet it had absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with 9/11 nor did Saddam have anything to do with AQ.

The Bush administration never once said that Saddam had anything to do with 9-11, and the reason why they said that he had connections to terrorism is because he did.

Now the country overwhelmingly does not support the war, nor does congress -

Well thank god that Congress doesn't have a roll as CinC, and thank god we don't fight wars based on public opinion polls.

Bush is going to have to put his signature on the veto.

He already said that is exactly what he intends to do.

I didn't elect him,

But the American people did.

that would be your job and those too ignorant to have seen that he was completely and still is completely incompetent.

He has also chosen to ignore every single suggestion from all the study groups that he instated.

You mean like speaking with Iran which is actively supporting the insurgency in Iraq? Gee I wonder why he turned down that suggestion.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

How has congress usurped the authority of CnC? Just more partisan talking points.

This bill has provisions in it; such as timetables and withdrawal dates, that are blatant violations of the executives roll as CnC.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

This bill has provisions in it; such as timetables and withdrawal dates, that are blatant violations of the executives roll as CnC.

Correct. Congress does not say when we come home. The CinC does. But they can dream.

 

[jfuh]

The Bush administration never once said that Saddam had anything to do with 9-11, and the reason why they said that he had connections to terrorism is because he did.

Bush stated that Saddam had ties with AQ - leaving it at that. The truth is Saddam had nothing to do with AQ. Old debunked myth. - source

Well thank god that Congress doesn't have a roll as CinC, and thank god we don't fight wars based on public opinion polls.

Funny, because your statement was that we got into this war because the public supported it. But when the tables turn it's inapplicable.

He already said that is exactly what he intends to do.

Thus it will be he that is cutting funding to the troops, not congress.

But the American people did.

Nope, the supreme court did.

You mean like speaking with Iran which is actively supporting the insurgency in Iraq? Gee I wonder why he turned down that suggestion.

The recommendation that this war is done and gone that it's time to pull out.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Bush stated that Saddam had ties with AQ - leaving it at that. The truth is Saddam had nothing to do with AQ. Old debunked myth. - source

It's not a myth it's a fact that Saddam had numerous AQ and terrorist ties infact one of the men wanted for the first WTC bombing was given safe haven in Iraq.

Funny, because your statement was that we got into this war because the public supported it.

I never made that argument, he brought up the fact that we supported WW2 when I asked what would have happened if we fought WW2 based on public opinion polls.

But when the tables turn it's inapplicable.

Military strategy should not be predicated upon public opinion polls.

Thus it will be he that is cutting funding to the troops, not congress.

It will be the Congress's fault if the troops do not recieve the necessary funding.

Nope, the supreme court did.

This has been debunked so many times that I don't even think I have to waste my time with it. But I will anyways because it is a fact that we have an electoral college system the popular vote is meaningless.

The recommendation that this war is done and gone that it's time to pull out.

I don't recall seeing that in the Baker/Hamilton report.

 

[disneydude]

The point I am trying to make to you is most Americans do not vote and are uninformed......You can't run a war by polls..

And THEN there are people who are ill-informed (e.g. get their information from Hannity, Limppaw, etc)...and do vote. They are much much more of a threat to this country.

 

[disneydude]

The Bush administration never once said that Saddam had anything to do with 9-11, and the reason why they said that he had connections to terrorism is because he did.

OMG! are you serious? Have you been on the moon or hiding under a rock? Have you not seen a barrage of news clips showing Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice....attempting to link Iraq and 911.....this statement is bizarre beyond words

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

OMG! are you serious? Have you been on the moon or hiding under a rock? Have you not seen a barrage of news clips showing Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice....attempting to link Iraq and 911.....this statement is bizarre beyond words

No one in the Bush administration ever once said that Saddam had any connection to 9-11, it never happened and anyone who says different is a liar.

 

[jamesrage]

You mean pull-out date. Nice try though.

Surrender date or retreat date,same thing.

 

[Navy Pride]

And THEN there are people who are ill-informed (e.g. get their information from Hannity, Limppaw, etc)...and do vote. They are much much more of a threat to this country.

Is that the same as liberals who kneel at the Altar of Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, and Ward Chamberlain?

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

No matter how the Cons spin it,:spin: it still comes down to :liar2 Bush supporting our troops by signing the funding or not.
Although if I made that bill out I would have put $999 BILLION into it for Haliburton and it would never have reached Bushs desk. Bush would :bolt straight to congress to sign it.
OK Georgie Boy, its in your hands, lets see how much you really care about our troops.

 

[Navy Pride]

Pull out date, surrender date.........same thing.....