• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Sen. Lindsey Graham calls for the Russian people to ‘take out’ Vladimir Putin

He wasn’t elected to “voice his opinion.”
Says who? " Prior to serving in the Senate, Graham was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1994 as the first Republican from the Third Congressional District of South Carolina since 1877."

If he wasn't doing what his constituency wanted would he still be in office?
 

was lindsey graham wrong?


how would we respond if a major political leader in russia or china or iran implored that someone among the American people should step up and assassinate our own president for our own good?

With respect, there are so many internally asking for this sort of thing that a foreign request would hardly be noticed.

That said, though, various International Idiots seemed more than willing to join the propaganda driven domestic never Trumpers as they called for Trump's assassination.

Just sayin'...
 
What exactly is Lindsey's goal here? Does he seriously think the oligarchs are listening to him? Does he think overthrow/assassination hasn't crossed their minds? His statements serve only the Russian propaganda machine and he can bet his words will be played over and over again on Russian state media just as they did with Tucker and Tulsi. This ****in' clown needs to retire before he puts more lives at risk.


The Trump Party, with people like Graham, are the enemy within. They are slowly destroying the United States of American and all of our allies abroad. Never thought I'd live to see these types of displays and anti-American statements in our country. WTF are they thinking.....or drinking. :(
 
So you think that becasue a person has a assumed a role in the Govt. they should not share their views? That's the kind of democracy you want?
It's one thing for Linsey to think it.... The assassination of Putin is probably on a lot of folks minds right about now. But for those words to actually come out of a seated American Senators mouth? For a multitude of reasons...... it was not prudent.
 
  • It's up to the Russian People to take out Putin... No foreign nation should do it, because it would lose the trust of the people of Russian, (because of all the anti West Propaganda that Putin has fed his people for decades) but if Russian People take out Putin and Putin's General, they will gain Favor with many nations around the world. Especially, If a new leader gave them "truth and honest access to media that shows them the reality truths.
  • The same is True for Chinese people, the difference is in China, they will never a lader that has the ability to Unite the various Cultural Factions in China. They'd have to show the people that "economic uplift won't just be in the Major Cities, but they will have to pledge to expand Universal Education for Skill Development and Cultural Learning Programming, so they know more about each other in honest humane terms.
  • It may well help the N. Korean people to rid themselves of Kim, it's highly likly the people of N. Korea are not at the least bit pleased with Kim spending money on Weapons while people are going hungry and living in highly depressed conditions.

I think the Russian people will eventually come to the understanding that they cannot continue to allow one man (Putin) and the cult that submits to him to continue to damage their lives and the lives of their childrenand their country. Russian People are seeing in real time that the West does not want to attack them. Oil money is the life giving income to much that fuels Russia's economy, and when they can't sell it because of the mess Putin created, many of the people as well as the very wealthy, will join the side of ideology that Putin and his Ideology must go.

Russian people also know, that Oil won't always be the thing of reliance to the degree it has been in the past, it won't become a non factor, but it won't always be a lead factor as it currently is. Because New Technology of Renewable Energy will not reverse course. Russian people also know out side of the ranks of the well to do, the people are growing tired of the limits on their life category, and in the country side... the working poor, the poor health and the hard challenges need to be changed.

No people remain "uninformed forever"... some gradually 'awaken'. We see even that with some of the Trump cult, who are seeing more and more they were being led down the same rabbit hole of Trump wanting to be like Putin and created an America as isolated as N. Korea. When Putin goes down, Trump will sink even lower because people are learning more and more everyday of the damages that Trump created has cased much of what the world is dealing with today, behind Trumps submissive pandering to Putin.
 
With respect, there are so many internally asking for this sort of thing that a foreign request would hardly be noticed.

That said, though, various International Idiots seemed more than willing to join the propaganda driven domestic never Trumpers as they called for Trump's assassination.

Just sayin'...
Code1211... The King of whataboutisms.
 
It's one thing for Linsey to think it.... The assassination of Putin is probably on a lot of folks minds right about now. But for those words to actually come out of a seated American Senators mouth? For a multitude of reasons...... it was not prudent.
I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I just disagree. I would like to see more honesty in Govt. Not less. Even if it makes us hear the uncomfortable. I doubt there is a Russian leader anywhere that isn't hoping the US and it's people don't die horribly. I don't have to hear that to know it.
 
I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I just disagree. I would like to see more honesty in Govt. Not less. Even if it makes us hear the uncomfortable. I doubt there is a Russian leader anywhere that isn't hoping the US and it's people don't die horribly. I don't have to hear that to know it.
The symptoms of paranoia can include:
  • Being defensive, hostile, and aggressive.
  • Being easily offended.
  • Believing you are always right and having trouble relaxing or letting your guard down.
  • Not being able to compromise, forgive, or accept criticism.
  • Not being able to trust or confide in other people.
 
. I doubt there is a Russian leader anywhere that isn't hoping the US and it's people don't die horribly. I don't have to hear that to know it.
Hummm....
 
With respect, there are so many internally asking for this sort of thing that a foreign request would hardly be noticed.

That said, though, various International Idiots seemed more than willing to join the propaganda driven domestic never Trumpers as they called for Trump's assassination.

Just sayin'...
Nobody cares about Trump except Trump cultist..... If Trump had a heart attack on the Golf Course and did not make it, that would be no loss to America.
 
The symptoms of paranoia can include:
  • Being defensive, hostile, and aggressive.
  • Being easily offended.
  • Believing you are always right and having trouble relaxing or letting your guard down.
  • Not being able to compromise, forgive, or accept criticism.
  • Not being able to trust or confide in other people.
Please post the names of the Russian Govt. leaders that have called out Putin.

Here is a little something for you;

10 Signs You Are in Serious Denial​


 
was lindsey graham wrong?
Terminating troublesome foreign leaders has long been a controversial topic.

Hear tell the Brits had opportunities to end Herr Hitler's career, but the former felt it would be bad form to do so.

Hear tell, the American ambassador in Mexico at the beginning of the 20th century told the army it would be OK to oust the president. (The army later claimed that he was killed while trying to escape.)

Hear tell, the United States told the Vietnamese army it would be fine and dandy if it overthrew President Diem. (The army then proceeded to murder him and his brother.)

Hear tell Henry K. told the Chilean army that it would be nice if Allende was deposed. (He refused to leave the presidential palace and killed himself.)

Many people feel that terminating foreign leaders would lead to a slippery slope.

In fact, some people even claim that if you think that war criminal is evil, there are even worse characters waiting to rule Russia. (Poor Russia! Nothing but a sickening history of tyrants. And the Russian people are such an intelligent group of people!)

In short, Senator G. should have been more discreet in his comments. He could have hinted but not used specific language.
 
Shannon Bream is doing a 2 hour special each night on the daily Ukraine situation. Benjamin Hall (currently in Kyiv) seems to be the new co-anchor for this special. Last night, Shannon discussed the attitude from the White House (Psaki) and the general U.S. criticism of Graham about his tweets. Hall listened to her summarize the U.S. reaction to Graham. When asked his opinion, he almost kind of shrugged and added that nearly all Ukrainians would agree with Graham and are saying the very same thing. It's as if he couldn't address something so petty (the reaction to Graham's tweets) as he views the grim and dire situation firsthand and daily.
I think the criticism of Graham is overdone. As several are expressing here, many all over the world are thinking the same thing. This position of weakness and tip toeing around Putin isn't an advantage, IMO.
While I saw Biden got a much-improved single poll yesterday, I was stunned to see a big increase in views of his handling of Ukraine. When we've reached the point in time where Ukraine is going through what they are right now - that anyone could possibly see that as a positive, a success, or something that sheds a good light on Biden, baffles me.
My reaction to Graham's tweets are meh. We're all thinking the same thing and all the drama about his tweets is just that, drama. Meanwhile, we watch the destruction of Ukraine and its people, and I can't imagine how anyone can be viewing the U.S. as strong or capable - or demonstrating leadership. And of course, the world is viewing the U.S.and this situation - and taking notes. While I don't dispute that a strong NATO could be valuable, talking daily to try to get 30 countries to agree and boasting about the unity of the group - hasn't done a thing to stop the invasion of Ukraine. Boy, do I ever miss the U.S. being a lead from strength type country and one where (the very thought of potential ramifications) is preventative to a Ukraine type scenario.
 
NATO should have a Special Unit, of high skilled and highly devoted specialist teams, that are dedicated to world peace and the eradication of Autocracic Tyrants.

Already, every Nation within NATO has special forces teams, any one of these teams have the capability and skill set to take out the entire Putin Regime, and to ensure that anyone who takes over, understand that if they try to recreate Autocratic Tyranny, they will get taken out. The Pro Putin Russians, are only Pro Putin because they Profited under Putin. Now that their money is becoming less in value, I think many of them are not as Pro Putin as they once were and they will become less Pro Putin when Interest Rates continue to go up and the value of their currency contines to drop and goods cost more and become harderd to get.
(We know China is sitting back, with their outstreched hands, looking for an 'windfall from exports to Russia", but at the same time, every country should be building up their own Re-Industrialization, which sends the message to China, their term as being the Industrial Dominance, is not going to continue into the future.

There is, India, There is Africa, and there is South America and S.E. Asian countries who have people who can be skilled trained as well as poor people in every country that would love to be skilled trained for the 21st Century production Jobs. China will struggle, trying to maintain all that they "built" because maintenance is not cheap, and the more educated their people become, the more the people will demand of the government to help people as they age, and to help young people develop their potential.

The leaders in some African Nation who have bought weapons from Russia and other commodities, will come to find they cannot continue to get them and get parts for things they bought from Russia, and they will have to look at ways to improve their own production of wheat and other things.

Once something comes to be which takes down Putin and his Soviet Era Types... ALL Nations will reconsider many things....!!!!
 

was lindsey graham wrong?


how would we respond if a major political leader in russia or china or iran implored that someone among the American people should step up and assassinate our own president for our own good?

It seems imprudent as Putin will use it to say the conflict is all about the west trying to get rid of him.
 
Was he wrong to use his Constitutional rights to voice an opinion? Isn't that really the question?
No that is not the question. The question is whether a paid representative of the federal government has the right to act and talk irresponsibly, ever, and especially when the US and the entire world are in a precarious and unpredictable situation. The answer to that is a resounding NO.

Rights come with responsibilities to engage in them with common sense, compassion, honor. Our citizens can fail at exercising those responsibilities without the same degree of damage that can ensue from a government representative. Those expectations do not have to be explicitly spelled out in a job description, although in some cases they are, but they are always implied.

When I worked in state government as an HR VP, my rights to free speech and the right to free speech of all state employees -- be they union or not -- were constricted. If I said anything in public that embarrassed the state, I could have been fired. I did fire people for the same.

There is no honor in what Graham said. He is engaging in political theatre for attention.
 
was lindsey graham wrong?

Yes. The US is forbidden from assassinating another national leader via Executive Order.

This injunction doesn't apply to leaders of terrorist groups etc.
 
Yes. The US is forbidden from assassinating another national leader via Executive Order.

This injunction doesn't apply to leaders of terrorist groups etc.
If an undisclosed non-publicly released executive order was executed, authorizing the assassination of Putin, would the public become aware of its existence?
 
The Trump Party, with people like Graham, are the enemy within. They are slowly destroying the United States of American and all of our allies abroad. Never thought I'd live to see these types of displays and anti-American statements in our country. WTF are they thinking.....or drinking. :(

Are there particular ideas and statements that you are thinking about?
 
Are there particular ideas and statements that you are thinking about?
What's the matter? You've had your head buried in the sand and haven't seen anything that went on when traitor trump was in office and after he was kicked out by patriotic American people via free and fair election? Use the google to catch up. 🤡

3pxyyj.jpg
 
If an undisclosed non-publicly released executive order was executed, authorizing the assassination of Putin, would the public become aware of its existence?
Yes, 30 years from now. Sooner only if someone leaked it to "The Washington Post" or "The New York Times".
 
Nobody cares about Trump except Trump cultist..... If Trump had a heart attack on the Golf Course and did not make it, that would be no loss to America.

Your hate is noted.
 
Your hate is noted.
Trump damaged America with his mad man meglomania and his promotional agenda of white nationalist divisiveness... you may love Trump and thats evident in your posting... but I say, "screw the evilness that Trump promoted and the disrespect he demonstrated for the principles, values, dignity and integrity that the Constitution has written as core values of Democracy", and no matter how much Trump damaged... American will not abandon those principles for a bigoted, divisive promoting meglomaniac driven by vainity, ego and AVARICE.
 
Back
Top Bottom