Sen. Clinton Says Rumsfeld Should Resign (1 Viewer)

[tecoyah]

"Sen. Clinton Says Rumsfeld Should Resign
AP Interview: Sen. Clinton Rips Rumsfeld, Says He Should Resign Over 'Failed Policy' in Iraq


By DEVLIN BARRETT

WASHINGTON Aug 3, 2006 (AP)— Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday called on Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign, hours after excoriating him at a public hearing over what she called "failed policy" in Iraq.

"I just don't understand why we can't get new leadership that would give us a fighting chance to turn the situation around before it's too late," the New York Democrat and potential 2008 presidential contender said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I think the president should choose to accept Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation."

"The secretary has lost credibility with the Congress and with the people," she said. "It's time for him to step down and be replaced by someone who can develop an effective strategy and communicate it effectively to the American people and to the world."

Asked about Clinton's comments, Pentagon spokesman Eric Ruff said, "We don't discuss politics."

Clinton had resisted joining the chorus of other Democrats demanding Rumsfeld's ouster. Her remarks Thursday were the harshest assessment yet from the woman considered her party's early front-runner for the 2008 presidential nomination.

The former first lady has come under attack from some in her own party for voting for the war in 2002 and her current opposition to a deadline for U.S. troop withdrawal.

She criticized Rumsfeld in person earlier Thursday during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

"Under your leadership, there have been numerous errors in judgment that have led us to where we are," she said. "We have a full-fledged insurgency and full-blown sectarian conflict in Iraq."

The defense secretary rejected some of her specific criticisms as simply wrong and said the war against terror will be a drawn-out process. He said he never glossed over the difficulties of the fighting.

"I have never painted a rosy picture," he said. "I've been very measured in my words, and you'd have a dickens of a time trying to find instances where I've been excessively optimistic."

In my opinion, Hillary has actually said what many are thinking....and it shows more Balls than most of her ilk. Probably one of the first things I've seen her do worth mentioning.


One thing really caught my eye:

"I have never painted a rosy picture," he said. "I've been very measured in my words, and you'd have a dickens of a time trying to find instances where I've been excessively optimistic."


Role In Going To War: Prior to the war, Rumsfeld repeatedly suggested the war in Iraq would be short and swift. He said, “The Gulf War in the 1990s lasted five days on the ground. I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.” He also said, “It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.” [Rumsfeld, 11/14/02; USA Today, 4/1/03]


yeah....I had a "Dickens" of a time for almost 30 seconds....waiting for google

 

[aps]

But doesn't she know that Rumsfeld has submitted his resignation to Bush multiple times and that he has rejected it?

Rumsfeld is a disgrace to the Defense Department. Get him OUT.

 

[Gill]

I'm shocked!!:shock:

A Democrat calling for Rumsfield's resignation.... how novel.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

But doesn't she know that Rumsfeld has submitted his resignation to Bush multiple times and that he has rejected it?

"I think the president should choose to accept Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation."

 

[aps]

"I think the president should choose to accept Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation."

How dare you point out my ignorance! LOL oops :3oops:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

How dare you point out my ignorance! LOL oops :3oops:

Nothing personal aps, pointing out ignorance is my hobby, and I do it indescriminantly.

 

[Deegan]

I think that he should step down, but not because Clinton decided to turn these hearings in to an opportunity to mend fences with the far left. I thought she was extremely rude to all of the honorable public servants at that hearing, and that she should be ashamed of herself. That said, someone has to answer for the failures in Iraq, and it would make perfect sense that Rumsfeld be the one. I am also aware of the difficulty we will face by removing a defense sec. in a time of war, so that also must be considered.

The whole thing just stinks to high heaven, they all voted for this, and now that it's not going as planned, everyone wants to jump ship, sad really.

 

[Navy Pride]

Please God, let the "Ice Princess" Hillary get the democratic nomination for prez.........

 

[aquapub]

Hillary's criticism of Rumsfeld:

"Under your leadership, there have been numerous errors in judgment that have led us to where we are in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Democrats appeased North Korea while they went nuclear, actively undermined missile defense development, let Al Queda attack our troops with impunity for nearly a decade, made not one stitch of progress against Saddam in eight years, made it illegal for the FBI, the CIA, and the police to communicate about terror threats, etc.

And these are factual, evidence-based criticisms, not just misleading political posturing from an ultra-liberal who wants to look hawkish.

A a result, we have a nuclear North Korea, 9/11, and an Iraq problem pushed off onto a Republican president who will actually do something about foreign threats.

 

[aquapub]

Hillary's criticism:


"We have a full-fledged insurgency and full- blown sectarian conflict in Iraq."


Any time you liberate a country that's borders were drawn to include rival factions, you are going to have some sectarian violence. This is not a civil war yet, even though it could end up going that way.

 

[aquapub]

Hillary's criticism:

"You did not go into Iraq with enough troops to establish law and order."

Most the generals were initially in agreement that putting more troops on the ground than what we had would merely give the terrorists more targets. Plus we didn't want it to look like an occupation-a concern voiced by several Democrats at the time. And the idea was to begin training Iraqis to police their own country, but there were significant problems with the task.

 

[aquapub]

Hillary's criticism:


"You disbanded the entire Iraqi army, now we're trying to re-create it."

Actually, the Iraqi military was intimidated into not fighting by foreign terrorists early on....they largely disbanded themselves.

 

[Stinger]

Role In Going To War: Prior to the war, Rumsfeld repeatedly suggested the war in Iraq would be short and swift. He said, “The Gulf War in the 1990s lasted five days on the ground. I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.” He also said, “It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.” [Rumsfeld, 11/14/02; USA Today, 4/1/03]

And was he speaking specifically about the War with Iraq and Saddam or the rebuilding and ongoing war against the terrorist? I don't recall anyone in the administration saying the war against the terrorist would only take 6 months or that we would have Iraq with a new government and free of any insurgents in 6 months.

 

[aquapub]

Hillary's criticism:

"You...rejected al the planning that had been done previously to maintain stability after the regime was overthrown."

Well, Rummy put it best himself:

"...the assertion that the government rejected all the planning that had been done before is just simply false."

 

[aquapub]

Hillary's criticism:

"In December of 2002, you said the Taliban are gone. In September of 2004, President Bush said the Taliban no longer is in existence."

The only record Lexis Nexis has of any of this is Bush and Rumsfeld talking about how the Taliban are no longer in power.

 

[Stinger]

Hillary's criticism:

"In December of 2002, you said the Taliban are gone. In September of 2004, President Bush said the Taliban no longer is in existence."

The only record Lexis Nexis has of any of this is Bush and Rumsfeld talking about how the Taliban are no longer in power.

Is the media going to demand she justify the way she treated him in that hearing and provide the sources for her assertions?

 

[jallman]

Is the media going to demand she justify the way she treated him in that hearing and provide the sources for her assertions?

So why dont you two just stop watching the media altogether then. It certainly isnt going to affect your level of information as you both live in your own little play lands anyway.

 

[doughgirl]

Clinton said this which in my estimation took balls (which I literally think she might have anyway :rofl ) "Under your leadership, there have been numerous errors in judgment that have led us to where we are in Iraq and Afghanistan."

And what about under Bill’s leadership Hill?

Did he ever make errors in judgement? If memory serves me right millions asked for him to resign and he didn’t.

Its so funny how the democrats were so pro-war during Clintons 8 year reign. Didn’t John Kerry in fact insist that Clinton attack Sadam because he had WMD?

Clinton started this whole mess…….and didn’t have the guts to finish it…….Bush is finishing that job right now, or trying to anyway.

Errors in judgement Hillary?

Didn’t your husband commit a felony?

A lot of truth to this website, maybe ole Hill should view it.

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/Ldotvets/Bubba.html

 

[hipsterdufus]

"Sen. Clinton Says Rumsfeld Should Resign
AP Interview: Sen. Clinton Rips Rumsfeld, Says He Should Resign Over 'Failed Policy' in Iraq

Man, Rumsfeld sounded absolutely insane the other day. I think he's still asking himself rhetorical questions. :roll:

Hillary is smelling a Lamont victory Tuesday and is trying to back off from being so hawkish on Iraq.

It might work with some, but not me. It's about three years too late Hillary.

Sorry

 

[hipsterdufus]

yeah....I had a "Dickens" of a time for almost 30 seconds....waiting for google

Oh Henny Penny the sky is falling. :roll: Who talks like that?

I guess Rummy forgets that the outrageous things he says are actually recorded?

It took you 30 seconds on Google to figure out Rummy is full of it? You must have a slow connection.

Can we bring back General Grant, sure he was drunk, but at least HE WON!

 

[26 X World Champs]

but not because Clinton decided to turn these hearings in to an opportunity to mend fences with the far left. I thought she was extremely rude to all of the honorable public servants at that hearing, and that she should be ashamed of herself.

How was she rude, specifically, please? Define in her words, please how she was "rude".

 

[26 X World Champs]

And what about under Bill’s leadership Hill?

Did he ever make errors in judgement? If memory serves me right millions asked for him to resign and he didn’t.

LOL! Bush attacks another country based on false information, starts a war that will go on longer than WWII and you're comparing that to blow jobs? DAMN!

Its so funny how the democrats were so pro-war during Clintons 8 year reign. Didn’t John Kerry in fact insist that Clinton attack Sadam because he had WMD?

Prove this please? Regardless Clinton was way too smart to invade Iraq because unlike his moron successor he knew that there was no way to liberate Iraq without starting a Civil War.

Clinton started this whole mess…….and didn’t have the guts to finish it…….Bush is finishing that job right now, or trying to anyway.

Oh really? President Clinton STARTED THE IRAQ WAR? SWEET! That's a novel accusation that not even Navy Pride has come up with!

Didn’t your husband commit a felony?

NO, he did not! Show us where he was CONVICTED of any felonies? Stop lying! If you don't like blow jobs in the White House you're not alone but that's not a felony. Clinton was FOUND NOT GUILTY on all counts by the Senate! God how can you write such bullshit no less believe it!

 

[Stinger]

How was she rude, specifically, please? Define in her words, please how she was "rude".

You didn't watch it?

 

[Stinger]

So why dont you two just stop watching the media altogether then. It certainly isnt going to affect your level of information as you both live in your own little play lands anyway.

Why don't you start and then you would know what we are talking about? Maybe you buy into her assertions hook line and sinker but I certainly don't. When will she be requried to prove them?

 

[doughgirl]

“Bush attacks another country based on false information, starts a war that will go on longer than WWII and you're comparing that to blow jobs? DAMN!”

Its just not blow jobs…..it way more than that.
You think the conflict in the Middle East started after we became involved? Those people have been fighting for years, centuries. Difference being, they attacked us on 9-11 and it came real close to home. This conflict will never be resolved and any president that we will have in the future whether they be Republican or Democrat will be involved in some sort of conflict there.

“Speaking hours after attacks were launched in retaliation for the US embassy bombings which killed 250 people, Mr. Clinton said the US was taking a stand against terror organizations who "wrap murder in the cloak of righteousness". Mr. Clinton said that there was "compelling evidence that further attacks were planned by a network of Islamist terrorists."
"Our target was terror, our motive was clear," he said.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/155252.stm

So Clinton can retaliate and take a stand but Bush can’t?

Clinton said, "I don't have any problem with getting rid of Saddam Hussein," Clinton said, "but we have over 900 American dead now and we are still dealing with this, and we are not dealing with other things with the same gusto."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1178478/posts

And someone better deal with it before Islam takes over Europe.

President Clinton said, “This week, our nation's armed forces once again have shown their extraordinary skill and strength, this time in a critical mission in Iraq. I ordered our military to take strong action after Saddam Hussein, in the face of clear warnings from the international community, attacked and seized the Kurdish-controlled city of Irbil in northern Iraq.”

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9609/07/clinton.radio/transcript.html

What was Clinton thinking? What right did we have to attack them? Why did we need to be in Iraq?


Place us under control of another country? This is borderline treason. I think it is treason really. And why werent the documents made public?

President Clinton signed a Presidential Decision Directive (PDD) asserting his authority "to place U.S. forces under the operational control of a foreign commander."
“This is the most unconstitutional transfer of power in the history of America. Instead of a foreign policy designed to protect America and preserve our interests, the Clinton foreign policy is designed to subordinate American interests to a multinational authority. The White House won't let the American people see a copy of the PDD that Clinton signed. All we are allowed to see is a State Department "summary" (which probably conceals its most outrageous effects). The PDD states that the "establishment of a capability to conduct multilateral peace operations is part of our National Security Strategy and National Military Strategy." The new PDD makes it our job to combat "current threats to peace," which include "territorial disputes, armed ethnic conflicts, civil wars and the collapse of governmental authority in some states."


http://www.ictks.com/rush/books/clintondocs/clint_foreign.html

Good site on Clintons policies.

“NO, he did not! Show us where he was CONVICTED of any felonies? Stop lying! If you don't like blow jobs in the White House you're not alone but that's not a felony. Clinton was FOUND NOT GUILTY on all counts by the Senate! God how can you write such bullshit no less believe it!”

So Clinton did nothing illegal? :rofl

"Clinton concluded: "This matter is between me, the two people I love most - my wife and my daughter - and our God."

How many affairs did he have that were uncovered? Not just Monica....but Paula.....etc. I am sure he loves Chelsea but he loves Hillary? Wow what a way to show it. Not only to embarrass her once but numerous times. And God??????? I wont even go there.

“This trial is not about the President's affair with Monica Lewinsky. It is about the perjury and obstruction of justice he committed during the course of the civil rights lawsuit filed against him, and the subsequent independent counsel investigation authorized by Attorney General Janet Reno.”

“First, the President lied under oath to the grand jury when he falsely testified about his attorneys' use of a false affidavit at his deposition. Second, he lied under oath to the grand jury about his conversations with Betty Currie. Third, he lied under oath to the grand jury about what he told his aides about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky, knowing that those aides would be called to testify to the grand jury. Fourth, he lied under oath to the grand jury when he testified about the nature of his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/managerstext020899.htm

I also believe Clinton lost the right to practice law as well in his home state. Gee, I wonder why?

And you say he did nothing? Oh right........