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Seditious Conspiracy verdicts

Paradoxical said:
There was NO sedition.

Sedition requires a plan. There was none.

Have you uncovered some plan?
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Well there seems to be some sedition convictions.

So once again, comrade, your delusions of the world do not pan out to reality

Keep hating on America, we see you.
 
Paradoxical said:
What is so irritating to me is just how dumb and gullible humans can be. In the centuries gone by, we had to believe the tribal leaders for our own survival. We no longer have to, but they don't want to release the reigns and they prey on the old evolutionary memes still in the recesses of human minds because they are transferred through birth that low-level humans WILL believe them because they are "in authority". Over the past few decades, the Democrats have perfected the art of indoctrination using mini Josef Goebbels in the media to repeat their talking points over and over and over again and 1-6 was one of those talking points with the lackey media breathlessly repeating their talking points.
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Holy comma, Batman!!! :LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
W_Heisenberg said:
McCarthy is a former prosecutor but he’s also a right wing hack who has made his living publishing books that are nothing more than screeds against Democrats. And what he’s trying to do here is launder the reputation of the GOP and Trump and the GOP base even though they contributed to the atmosphere of distrust and hate by repeating the big lie that the election was stolen. And, to this day, despite numerous investigations and judicial inquiries many of Trump’s supporters are just too damn stupid to give it up.

The conspiracy Rhodes concocted depended on the crazy idea that Trump would declare martial law and put them to work.

But…

It doesn’t matter if the seditious conspiracy was not well thought out.

It doesn’t matter if they were incompetent.

It doesn’t matter if their plan sucked.

They still engaged in a seditious conspiracy.
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McCarthy has argued that if we want to have a good understanding of what happened in these kinds of contested situations, look at what the lawyers are saying in court. Claims there have to be backed by facts; facts that are subject to challenge for accuracy or for interpretation. No overwrought hysteria is allowed.

So when Trump was running around yelling 'electoral fraud,' McCarthy was saying the same thing YOU said at the time-- he presents no facts in court to support the allegation.
Conclusion: the claim that Trump lost 2020 because of electoral fraud is without basis.

So when we apply the same standards to the events of Jan 6, what we find is no real justification for some of hysteria we have seen, whether it is the above cited or found in post #498 (and written by a lawyer of all people).

So we see the lawyers in court making no claims of an insurrection; we see them disputing allegations that Trump was criminally culpable, and we see them struggling mightily to say there was a plan to overthrow the government (in the end, the jury believed the riot was an ad hoc event).

All we are left with is some of these guys believing that Trump was going to deputize them when he supposedly was to going to declare martial law.
And from that we are supposed to believe the republic hung on a string.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'm not defending anyone. Those convicted of the crimes they committed should, most certainly, be held accountable for them.
For the crimes which you and others imagine they've committed, not so much. The court and convictions in those courts by a jury of their peers are the bar and the measure. The you and others imagine they've committed just doesn't meet that bar and measure.

All I'm saying it's not how you, and many others, are pretending it to be / believing it to be, all caught up in the political advantage and ignoring the reality in favor of pushing political narratives for perceived political advantage, a rather poor foundation for resting truth and reality on.
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Imagine?
You realize this thread is about convictions for conspiracy to commit sedition, right?
 
Callen said:
No. The DOJ was unable to provide evidence that the three acquitted on this charge were involved in the conspiracy to commit sedition. Two were found guilty of seditious conspiracy. The conspiracy was not to storm the Capitol it was to Obstruct an Official Proceeding a charge all 5 were convicted of.
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There were three acquittals on the conspiracy charges (seditious conspiracy and conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding.
Conspiracies require planning.

Meanwhile, all five were convicted of obstructing an official proceeding, a charge that requires no planning.
 
Galactic Spin said:
And those acquitted wre convicted of multiple federal felonies. Let us not forget...
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and...?
What happened on Jan 6? Democracy almost died?? Please. The DOJ could barely get conspiracy charges.
 
MrNiceGuy said:
A lot of these convictions are going to get overturned on appeal. Sedition and seditious conspiracy is a very very un-American type of conviction. It's the whole reason any liberal worth his salt opposes things like John Adams' Alien and Sedition Act, and application of the Espionage Act. These prosecutions inevitably touch on freedom of speech issues, and each conviction upheld of a right wing protester under this statute can serve as precedent to prosecute a Left wing activist for the same things.
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Bullshit. Unamerican to convict? Only to those who are to the right of Atilla the Hun.
 
Athanasius68 said:
and...?
What happened on Jan 6? Democracy almost died?? Please. The DOJ could barely get conspiracy charges.
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And they are now felons due to their efforts to overturn a free and fair election. As they should be.
 
Athanasius68 said:
McCarthy has argued that if we want to have a good understanding of what happened in these kinds of contested situations, look at what the lawyers are saying in court. Claims there have to be backed by facts; facts that are subject to challenge for accuracy or for interpretation. No overwrought hysteria is allowed.

So when Trump was running around yelling 'electoral fraud,' McCarthy was saying the same thing YOU said at the time-- he presents no facts in court to support the allegation.
Conclusion: the claim that Trump lost 2020 because of electoral fraud is without basis.

So when we apply the same standards to the events of Jan 6, what we find is no real justification for some of hysteria we have seen, whether it is the above cited or found in post #498 (and written by a lawyer of all people).

So we see the lawyers in court making no claims of an insurrection; we see them disputing allegations that Trump was criminally culpable, and we see them struggling mightily to say there was a plan to overthrow the government (in the end, the jury believed the riot was an ad hoc event).

All we are left with is some of these guys believing that Trump was going to deputize them when he supposedly was to going to declare martial law.
And from that we are supposed to believe the republic hung on a string.
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Winning convictions on the charges of seditious conspiracy kinda confirms that there was indeed an insurrection attempt.

I love reading your posts that twists reality into a puzzle instead of admitting the obvious.

§2384. Seditious conspiracy​

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
 
MTAtech said:
Winning convictions on the charges of seditious conspiracy kinda confirms that there was indeed an insurrection attempt.

I love reading your posts that twists reality into a puzzle instead of admitting the obvious.

§2384. Seditious conspiracy​

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
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There is actually a federal code about insurrection.
The DOJ has not charged anyone with it-- presumably they would have to back the allegation with facts.

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu
 
Sure glad there was no sedition. Oh wait.
 
Callen said:
Warnings to social media companies are routine when there are signs of rampant disinformation by foreign countries leading up to an election. I believe that this warning was before there was any recent information about the laptop so why Hunter's laptop would be top of Zuckenberger's mind is questionable but like I said, not as much fun as another conspiracy theory.
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Ah, yes, "disinformation." LOL. People talking to each other on social media and not saying things approved by the government.

It's not a conspiracy theory that the laptop story was squelched and that a concerted effort was made to pretend that it was Russian disinformation. That's what literally happened.
 
Athanasius68 said:
There is actually a federal code about insurrection.
The DOJ has not charged anyone with it-- presumably, they would have to back the allegation with facts.
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Both Seditious Conspiracy and Obstructing an Official Proceeding have stiffer penalties than Insurrection. They each carry 20 years whereas Insurrection only carries 10 years. They went for the stiffer penalty.
 
Callen said:
Both Seditious Conspiracy and Obstructing an Official Proceeding have stiffer penalties than Insurrection. They each carry 20 years whereas Insurrection only carries 10 years. They went for the stiffer penalty.
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Thanks, I was going to point that out. More idiotic, disingenuous arguments. Not unexpected. Just repetitious and predictable.
 
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