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Secret Service rush to evacuate Pence from besieged Capitol becomes 'coup' focus

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Get over it already. Y'all are worse than pizzagaters at this point.
Imagine if supporters of Obama and Hillary instigated a riot at the Capitol in order to delay the formalization of Trump's election? Would you still be saying NBD?
 

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Imagine if supporters of Obama and Hillary instigated a riot at the Capitol in order to delay the formalization of Trump's election? Would you still be saying NBD?
I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm just not an obsessed idiot.
 

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Indeed! If you ignore everything Trump and his henchmen did or attempted to do , as you have here, everything's fine.

But then, why the late hour?

Progressives need to make up their mind about all this:

Either Congress HAS the authority to "overturn" an election -- in which case alleged efforts to do so are perfectly legal and in which objections to it are nothing more than politics.
Or Congress does NOT have the authority to "overturn" an election-- in which case objections to alleged efforts to do so are nothing more than politics.
 
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I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm just not an obsessed idiot.
So, if an organized riot intended to stall the certification of a Presidential election is NBD to you, what kinds of attacks on our election process would cause you to be concerned?
 

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So, if an organized riot intended to stall the certification of a Presidential election is NBD to you, what kinds of attacks on our election process would cause you to be concerned?
Things that actually pose a threat concern me. I think obsessed Democrats only care about whatever damage they can cause to the right over it. It was never deeper than that. Empty partisan outrage as usual.
 

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Progressives have to make up their mind about all this:

Either Congress HAS the authority to "overturn" an election -- in which case alleged efforts to do so are perfectly legal and in which objections to it are nothing more than politics.
Or Congress does NOT have the authority to "overturn" an election-- in which case their objections are nothing more than politics.
That's not what is being discussed in this thread. The thread is about the losing party trying secretly to coordinate a delay in the formalization of the election.
 
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Things that actually pose a threat concern me. I think obsessed Democrats only care about whatever damage they can cause to the right over it. It was never deeper than that. Empty partisan outrage as usual.
Be specific about what threats to our election process would concern you.
 

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That's not what is being discussed in this thread. The thread is about the losing party (trying) secretly to coordinate a delay in the formalization of the election.

Either Congress has the right to do this, or they don't.
Its a fair question to ask.

Otherwise, all the hysteria on the issue is nothing more than politics.
 

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Be specific about what threats to our election process would concern you.
I don't have a specific example. January 6th was never a real threat. Partisan left wingers just want to use it as a weapon and don't know when to let go.
 

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Either Congress has the right to do this, or they don't.
Its a fair question to ask.

Otherwise, all the hysteria on the issue is nothing more than politics.
If Congress isn't actually able to meet, what they can or can not do is moot. That's the point.
 

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If Congress isn't actually able to meet, what they can or can not do is moot. That's the point.

When does a president elect LEGALLY become the president-elect?
When the networks call a winner? When one candidate concedes? When the electoral college votes? When Congress counts those electoral college votes?

If there is going to be hysteria about all this, its a question that needs to be answered.
 

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When does a president elect LEGALLY become the president-elect?
When the networks call a winner? When one candidate concedes? When the electoral college votes? When Congress counts those electoral college votes?

If there is going to be hysteria about all this, its a question that needs to be answered.
Nice try at deflection.

The point is that the GOP appears to have coordinated a riot at the Capitol intended to delay the election certification process. What were their plans if the delay was successful? That's the question that needs to be anwered.
 

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Nice try at deflection.

The point is that the GOP appears to have coordinated a riot at the Capitol intended to delay the election certification process. What were their plans if the delay was successful? That's the question that needs to be anwered.

It isn't a deflection at all.
It goes to the heart of the argument-- if Congress has the right to "delay the certification process" then clearly the GOP in Congress would have the right to "delay the certification process."
If they don't, it doesn't matter-- Biden was going to be president regardless what happened.
 

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Needs doing a couple more times.
I'm sure the sock puppet problem isn't limited to DebatePolitics....you never know when your SS detail might contain a few more
undercover POES and SOCKS who came in looking all polished and clean.
If you know any specific threats let them know. I think it sounds like they're doing what they can recognizing the issue and acting to remove agents. Which of course Republicans would attack as partisan to not allow trump loyalists whose loyalty to Biden is in question.
 

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Get over it already. Y'all are worse than pizzagaters at this point.
Get over investigating the trump coup attempt? That comment would make you resemble pizzagate supporters, not the people investigating trump.
 

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It isn't a deflection at all.
It goes to the heart of the argument-- if Congress has the right to "delay the certification process" then clearly the GOP in Congress would have the right to "delay the certification process."
If they don't, it doesn't matter-- Biden was going to be president regardless what happened.
The point is that appears that the GOP THOUGHT they could put a wrench in the election process with their riot plan. If they absolutely knew they would be unsuccessful, why would they even bother? (Rhetorical question)

Have a lovely day.
 

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The point is that the GOP appears to have coordinated a riot at the Capitol intended to delay the election certification process. What were their plans if the delay was successful? That's the question that needs to be anwered.

We *know* the trump team had coordinated enough 'alternate elector slates' saying he had won in enough states to change the election, and that a large majority of Republicans in Congress were willing to vote to overturn the election (they DID vote for that), and that they were trying to use the constitutional provision that would move the election to the House where each state would get one vote, where Republicans had a majority.
 

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There was no riot plan.
Congress already said that when they impeached Trump for "incitement" of a riot.

As for the rest, the argument by Trump seems to have been that somehow the electors could be kicked back to the states for reconsideration, or that the electors could be summarily thrown out by Pence to reduce the number needed for a majority in the electoral college.
Were they correct?
 

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We *know* the trump team had coordinated enough 'alternate elector slates' saying he had won in enough states to change the election, and that a large majority of Republicans in Congress were willing to vote to overturn the election (they DID vote for that), and that they were trying to use the constitutional provision that would move the election to the House where each state would get one vote, where Republicans had a majority.

What this post is saying is that Trump is correct-- Congress can overturn an election.
 

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There was no riot plan.
Congress already said that when they impeached Trump for "incitement" of a riot.


As for the rest, the argument by Trump seems to have been that somehow the electors could be kicked back to the states for reconsideration, or that the electors could be summarily thrown out by Pence to reduce the number needed for a majority in the electoral college.
Were they correct?

How can you declare that there was absolutely no riot plan? We won't know that answer until the DOJ concludes its investigation. In the meantime, it certainly appears that some members of the GOP knew something was up.


 

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Nice try at deflection.

The point is that the GOP appears to have coordinated a riot at the Capitol intended to delay the election certification process. What were their plans if the delay was successful? That's the question that needs to be anwered.
If the GOP and Trump coordinated a riot then why did Trump offer, before January 6, the National Guard to Nancy Pelosi and the DC black female mayor for security purposes in which they turned him down?
 

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If the GOP and Trump coordinated a riot then why did Trump offer, before January 6, the National Guard to Nancy Pelosi and the DC black female mayor for security purposes in which they turned him down?
Welcome White MAGA Man!

 
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