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Second gentleman Doug Emhoff tests positive for Covid-19

Chillfolks said:
No it doesn’t unless you do a lot of stretching of terms.
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It does:
"a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."

The mRNA COVID vaccines do that, just like conventional vaccines, mRNA vaccines just do it in a new way. Vaccine doesn't mean it is 100% effective.
 
Carjosse said:
It does:
"a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."

The mRNA COVID vaccines do that, just like conventional vaccines, mRNA vaccines just do it in a new way. Vaccine doesn't mean it is 100% effective.
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Except of course it doesn’t provide you an immunity as we have seen with all the breakthrough cases. That is why The official story went from get the vaccine and you will not get Covid to get the vaccine and boosted so when you get Covid it hopefully will not be as bad. How many other vaccines are marketed as not protecting you from an illness but hopefully making you a little less sick when you get ill
 
Chillfolks said:
Except of course it doesn’t provide you an immunity as we have seen with all the breakthrough cases. That is why The official story went from get the vaccine and you will not get Covid to get the vaccine and boosted so when you get Covid it hopefully will not be as bad. How many other vaccines are marketed as not protecting you from an illness but hopefully making you a little less sick when you get ill
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Unvaccinated...60 times greater chance of dying from Covid vs those rthathave been double vaxxed boosted. That's all you need to know. But please carry on with your antivax bullshit.
 
i bet he's vaccinated and boosted.
 
Chillfolks said:
Except of course it doesn’t provide you an immunity as we have seen with all the breakthrough cases. That is why The official story went from get the vaccine and you will not get Covid to get the vaccine and boosted so when you get Covid it hopefully will not be as bad. How many other vaccines are marketed as not protecting you from an illness but hopefully making you a little less sick when you get ill
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It does create immunity. Is it not total immunity but it does give your body immunity to mount a proper immune defense. The vaccine does greatly reduce your chance of both contracting COVID and the risk of severe illness. No one ever claimed it was 100% effective. A vaccine does not have to provide 100% total immunity. COVID is constantly changing and evolving which makes it difficult.
 
Carjosse said:
It does create immunity. Is it not total immunity but it does give your body immunity to mount a proper immune defense. The vaccine does greatly reduce your chance of both contracting COVID and the risk of severe illness. No one ever claimed it was 100% effective. A vaccine does not have to provide 100% total immunity. COVID is constantly changing and evolving which makes it difficult.
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"No one ever claimed it was 100% effective."

2.23.2021 - Vaccines Are 100% Effective at Preventing COVID-19 Hospitalizations and Deaths

That turned out not to be true.
 
Chillfolks said:
Who said anything about 100% effective there are enough break through cases to question is effectiveness
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1. It's effectiveness is extremely ****ing clear. Pfizer is 94%. You're going to see breakthrough cases because 6% > 0%, and there are millions of people walking around spreading it while taking 0 precautions. Let me know if you need more help understanding how extremely basic statistics work.
www.yalemedicine.org

What’s the Difference Between COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy and Effectiveness?

Efficacy is a word that is used frequently in articles about COVID-19 vaccines. Why don't they just use the word "effective"? Both words have similar meanings, but for researchers, there is an important difference between them.
www.yalemedicine.org www.yalemedicine.org

2. Effectiveness has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether it is a vaccine or a treatment. A vaccine does not become a treatment just because its effectiveness drops to a certain point.
 
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Carjosse said:
It does create immunity. Is it not total immunity but it does give your body immunity to mount a proper immune defense. The vaccine does greatly reduce your chance of both contracting COVID and the risk of severe illness. No one ever claimed it was 100% effective. A vaccine does not have to provide 100% total immunity. COVID is constantly changing and evolving which makes it difficult.
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Bullshit Biden claimed you can’t spread Covid if your vaccinated, that was the party lie being repeated by people like Rachel over on MSNBC. Just because you choose to ignore what people said doesn’t mean it never happened.
 
Elmo said:
1. It's effectiveness is extremely ****ing clear. Pfizer is 94%. You're going to see breakthrough cases because 6% > 0%, and there are millions of people walking around spreading it while taking 0 precautions. Let me know if you need more help understanding how extremely basic statistics work.
www.yalemedicine.org

What’s the Difference Between COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy and Effectiveness?

Efficacy is a word that is used frequently in articles about COVID-19 vaccines. Why don't they just use the word "effective"? Both words have similar meanings, but for researchers, there is an important difference between them.
www.yalemedicine.org www.yalemedicine.org

2. Effectiveness has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether it is a vaccine or a treatment. A vaccine does not become a treatment just because its effectiveness drops to a certain point.
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The narrative depends on gullible people you did not disappoint.
 
Chillfolks said:
Bullshit Biden claimed you can’t spread Covid if your vaccinated, that was the party lie being repeated by people like Rachel over on MSNBC. Just because you choose to ignore what people said doesn’t mean it never happened.
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It happened.
 
Chillfolks said:
The narrative depends on gullible people you did not disappoint.
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JFC. So you've chosen to disregard the facts. Now I'm just wondering why. Did you fail high school stats and this math is just too hard? Perhaps you understand the facts, but you prefer to ignore them because they make it difficult to push your political bullshit...

Either way, that's a pretty sad state of affairs.
 
Elmo said:
JFC. So you've chosen to disregard the facts. Now I'm just wondering why. Did you fail high school stats and this math is just too hard? Perhaps you understand the facts, but you prefer to ignore them because they make it difficult to push your political bullshit...

Either way, that's a pretty sad state of affairs.
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Your article is outdated. It was written using information predating the Omicron varriant, a variant that was more contagious and responsible for the surge in breakthrough cases. Did you miss the day they went over the calendar or are those numbers too confusing for you?
 
Chillfolks said:
Your article is outdated. It was written using information predating the Omicron varriant, a variant that was more contagious and responsible for the surge in breakthrough cases. Did you miss the day they went over the calendar or are those numbers too confusing for you?
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Omicron is still being studied, so numbers are likely to change. This article suggests 70% effective. And they're in the process of developing Omicron specific vaccines. You are just assuming that vaccines are useless because of your politics. Have you considered waiting for the data, or at least looking up the preliminary stuff, before spreading your fantasies around this site?

 
Chillfolks said:
Except of course it doesn’t provide you an immunity as we have seen with all the breakthrough cases. That is why The official story went from get the vaccine and you will not get Covid to get the vaccine and boosted so when you get Covid it hopefully will not be as bad. How many other vaccines are marketed as not protecting you from an illness but hopefully making you a little less sick when you get ill
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It is like religion. You need faith and hope right. ;)
 
911Sparky said:
We have a poster on this forum, unvaccinated who tested positive for covid, spent time in the hospital, felt like he was gonna die, (his words) and spent 3 weeks in recovery.
My daughter, vaccinated but not boosted, tested positive for covid, had a mild fever and chills for 2 days, a bad cough for a few days.
Assuming we are all going to get covid at some point, which experience would you prefer?
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I prefer what 99% of Americans felt.

Like the morning after a bad burrito

((((YWAN))))
 
Chillfolks said:
Except of course it doesn’t provide you an immunity as we have seen with all the breakthrough cases. That is why The official story went from get the vaccine and you will not get Covid to get the vaccine and boosted so when you get Covid it hopefully will not be as bad. How many other vaccines are marketed as not protecting you from an illness but hopefully making you a little less sick when you get ill
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Testing positive only means the virus is present in your nose in enough quantity to trigger the positive result. It does't mean you're sick with covid, hell it doesn't even necessarily mean you can pass it along.

How many breakthrough cases have there been? How many are symptomatic? How many have been hospitalized? What is the proportion of all of those to the number of vaccinated people? Those numbers kind of matter - a lot - if you're trying to decide how effective the vaccine is. "All these breakthrough cases" is meaninglessly vague.

You also might be interested in knowing that the CDC defines a good rate of effectiveness for the flu vaccine as 50% protection against mild and moderate flu symptoms. Note: they say symptoms not 50% effectiveness against testing positive. All the covid vaccines easily beat that metric.
 
Chillfolks said:
Then we should not be calling it a vaccine as it’s not one but rather a treatment.
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It is a vaccine. Vaccine does not mean prevents illness, as none completely prevent illness. This is especially true if previous infection of that virus does not keep you from being able to be reinfected.

Vaccines prompt your immune system with instructions on how to fight the virus/illness. That is what a vaccine does. It does not prevent infection 100%. You and others simply have the wrong idea about what a vaccine does.

Are you even aware that you can take the smallpox vaccine after exposure to reduce your symptoms? How about the fact that the smallpox vaccine has been shown to not always work to prevent illness but does work very well (not 100% even here though, since the last person to die from smallpox was vaccinated as a child) to reduce symptoms? And the word vaccine derives itself from "cow", because they used cowpox originally as a vaccine for smallpox.
 
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