Seattle security raised after Jewish center shooting (1 Viewer)

[talloulou]

Those dirty rat bastardz......:shock:

'Police stepped up security at Seattle synagogues and mosques on Saturday, a day after a Muslim man who said he was angry at Israel shot dead one woman and wounded five others at a Jewish center.

Naveed Afzal Haq, 31, burst into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle on Friday afternoon. He surrendered without a struggle and police arrested him on charges of murder and five counts of attempted murder.

Amy Wasser-Simpson, the federation's vice president, told the Seattle Times that Haq got past security at the building and shouted, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," before he began shooting."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N29424537.htm

What a freaking loser. I hope these Islamic extremists realize the US isn't Europe and we won't long tolerate their shite. I hope to see a large pouring of Muslim outrage at this horror but as of yet all is quiet. WTF?

 

[Pen]

What a freaking loser. I hope these Islamic extremists realize the US isn't Europe and we won't long tolerate their shite. I hope to see a large pouring of Muslim outrage at this horror but as of yet all is quiet. WTF?

I can't really answer that question, but I've given some thought to it. Had the gunman been of some other religion, say Christian, we wouldn't expect a large outpouring of Christian outrage over his act. I suspect he would be deemed a lunatic by all, rather than a Christian terrorist of some kind. Perhaps the Muslims' view this freak in the same way, making his religion irrelevant?

 

[talloulou]

I can't really answer that question, but I've given some thought to it. Had the gunman been of some other religion, say Christian, we wouldn't expect a large outpouring of Christian outrage over his act. I suspect he would be deemed a lunatic by all, rather than a Christian terrorist of some kind. Perhaps the Muslims' view this freak in the same way, making his religion irrelevant?

Well I think you got to have your head in the sand to view him as just a normal crazy freak. Clearly jihadist Islamic angry Muslims have declared war on all those considered the infidel. Personally I'm not going to sit around and deny that fact while Islamic freaks take over the way Hezbollah took over Lebanon. Shite like this needs to be stopped in its tracks. And yes, for what it's worth, if Christians were declaring war against all non-believers to the extent that Muslims are causing problems globally today you can bet your arse I'd want to hear an outpouring of Christian outrage against violence.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I can't really answer that question, but I've given some thought to it. Had the gunman been of some other religion, say Christian, we wouldn't expect a large outpouring of Christian outrage over his act. I suspect he would be deemed a lunatic by all, rather than a Christian terrorist of some kind. Perhaps the Muslims' view this freak in the same way, making his religion irrelevant?

If you read the article, the Muslim gunman directed his anger towards Jews. "He pointedly blamed the Jewish people for all these problems." This was not a random act. With current anti-Jewish sentiment with Muslims, public outrage from the Islamic community would be helpful in convincing the masses that not all Muslims are terrorists. Unfortunately, many believe that they are.

If the gunman were Christian, and he directed his anger at Jews, blaming problems suffered by the people of his religion on them, then yes, we should expect outrage from the Christian community.

 

[RightinNYC]

If you read the article, the Muslim gunman directed his anger towards Jews. "He pointedly blamed the Jewish people for all these problems." This was not a random act. With current anti-Jewish sentiment with Muslims, public outrage from the Islamic community would be helpful in convincing the masses that not all Muslims are terrorists. Unfortunately, many believe that they are.

If the gunman were Christian, and he directed his anger at Jews, blaming problems suffered by the people of his religion on them, then yes, we should expect outrage from the Christian community.

Exactly.

If he had said "I'm a Christian-American, and I'm disgusted by the way the Jews treat Christians" before shooting, this would be as equally big a story. Hell, it'd probably be even bigger among the anti-Christianity crowd.

That said I think it's a terrible act, the guy's obviously going to be punished for it, but we should move on. Isolated incident, no need for more harping over it, will only cause bad blood.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

If? Isnt that what Mel Gibson said last night when he was pulled over for drunk driving. "The f****** jews are responsible for all of the worlds wars."

 

[RightinNYC]

If? Isnt that what Mel Gibson said last night when he was pulled over for drunk driving. "The f****** jews are responsible for all of the worlds wars."

I'm unsure how this relates to the matter at hand...

 

[Jay R]

If you read the article, the Muslim gunman directed his anger towards Jews. "He pointedly blamed the Jewish people for all these problems." This was not a random act.

Plus there's the very fact that he's alive to air his grievances, most lunatics will shoot themselves after their killing spree to avoid the drawn out justice procedure and incarceration. This guy is a terrorist, the killing an act of terrorism against American's and Jewish people.

I hope these Islamic extremists realize the US isn't Europe and we won't long tolerate their shite.

Well Europe isn't fussed at the moment, and the failures around the immigrant communities both legal and illegal aren't changing yet. I would suggest that it'll be the next round of general elections in the western European members before we see any new ideas for integration and immigration security, if at all.

I'm amazed that this isn't happening more frequently in America, what with the ease of access to firearms. The European experience of home grown terrorists is that they tend to be outwardly stable members of society who suddenly commit an act of terrorism after years of secret preparation, the kind of people who would meet all the criteria for a gun license.

 

[Gardener]

I'm amazed that this isn't happening more frequently in America, what with the ease of access to firearms. The European experience of home grown terrorists is that they tend to be outwardly stable members of society who suddenly commit an act of terrorism after years of secret preparation, the kind of people who would meet all the criteria for a gun license.

I think it has to do with the differences in profiles between American and European Muslims. The large majority of American Muslims are either American born and raised African Americans who have converted to Islam or Middle eastern Muslims who emigrated for political/social reasons. In Europe, the Muslim community arrived more for economic reasons.

Antisemitism is certainly strong among the African American Muslim community here, but is mostly rhetorical. Among Middle eastern Muslims, many originally came here to get away from something in their originating countries and were much more quick to assimilate than their European counterparts. THey also were more likely to have brought money with them rather than immigrating because they didn't have it.

I think the differences in demographics accounts for some of these differences, for while guns are certainly easy to attain here, those whose hatred of Jewish people is so strong as to precipitate such an attack are fewer. We certainly do not have the preponderance of Mosques preaching jihad as you do in London, Rotterdam or Malmo, that's for sure.

 

[RightinNYC]

I'm amazed that this isn't happening more frequently in America, what with the ease of access to firearms.

Probably because most people aren't ****ing crazy and don't do **** like this regardless of their ability to access guns.

 

[Pen]

It didn't take but a day for the Muslim community to respond.

Article

In a statement, the Islamic Center offered condolences to the shooting victims and said that "we disassociate this act from our Islamic teachings and beliefs."

After Friday's shootings, Seattle's Arab American Community Coalition called off a silent march to protest Israeli actions in Gaza, planned for Saturday morning.

"The events that are happening in the Middle East should not spill over into our city," said Arsalan Bukhari, president of the Seattle chapter of the Council of American-Islamic Relations.

The Jewish federation, founded in 1926, provides fundraising and educational services for Jews in the Puget Sound region, and also advocates on behalf of Israel. Last weekend, it organized a large rally to demonstrate support for Israel in its fight against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I can't really answer that question, but I've given some thought to it. Had the gunman been of some other religion, say Christian, we wouldn't expect a large outpouring of Christian outrage over his act. I suspect he would be deemed a lunatic by all, rather than a Christian terrorist of some kind. Perhaps the Muslims' view this freak in the same way, making his religion irrelevant?

Bullshit if he was white power there would be tons of outrage.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It didn't take but a day for the Muslim community to respond.

Article

I am very happy to see that there are Muslims in this couontry that have integrity and appear to want peace. If this happened more often, extremists might be less likely to act, as they would see themselves less so as speaking for their entire religion. The more Muslims (and other religions/groups, too) denounce their extremists when acts like this happen, the more likely the violence will stop.

 

[Pen]

Bullshit if he was white power there would be tons of outrage.

I have to agree with you there. The "white power" creeps are loathed in Washington and for good reason. This particular Muslim guy is an aberation and is condemned by those he claims to speak for.

Seattle is a GREAT city. But it rains all of the time so I don't recommend that you move here. Really...seriously...don't come here. :roll: