SCOTUS rules against democracy in Gerrymandering case!!!

[Craig234]

The Left has abandoned legislating in favor of running to their activist courts to issue fiats from the bench.
No one elected the judiciary. We do elect our representation in Congress.

After just having used the phrase tyranny of the majority as an attack on democracy, now they're arguing a contradictory point, that tyranny of the majority is a good thing, and courts that limit violations of the constitution by the legislature are wrong and shouldn't exist.

Just admit what you are, an advocate for tyranny, attacking both democracy (in the one post) and courts protecting people's rights in the second.

 

[Craig234]

The recent SCOTUS has not yet voted on the latest ACA, Obamacare, case that will soon come before them. The best guess bu most experts is that the court will find the ACA unconstitutional.

It's what they were groomed and hired to do - as they already partly did, banning the universal Medicaid expansion. Protect the Republican political interests, that's their job.

 

[Moderate Right]

In other news, the Republican Supreme court has declared that states can deny black people the right to vote, because the motivation is political, not racism. We have a court of Republican whores, and they do what Republican whores do, rewrite the constitution to benefit Republicans politically.

What? Did you stay out too late last night? You need to drink one hell of a lot of coffee.

 

[Obscurity]

The problem isn't that it 'rewrites laws as it sees fit', insofar as that is rewriting them for legitimate reasons, namely to meet constitutional requirements; that's the job. The problem is when they rewrite them dishonestly because of radical, corrupt ideology, which they are groomed and selected to do by the Federalist Society to supply to Republicans who are the enemies of the constitution.

I disagree that that's the job. Legislating is the realm of the legislative branch. Not the Judicial branch. The Judicial branch was recognized as the least powerful of all branches and was suggested to be the least controversial; Leftists are late to the game. The republicans realized early how pivotal the church of law is, just like every other mode of function for them. From on high the criminal court issues edicts and declarations that are on their face absurd; money=speech, fictitious entities=people, Private medical decisions=fodder for religious zealots, discrimination=enabled theocratic fervor, etc.

The judicial branch was never intended to act in this fashion.

 

[Moderate Right]

Thre Congress is fulfilling their responsibilty to oversee the Executive Branch and Trump is giving them plenty of ammunition. If the House actually impeaches Trump, the Senate will then do their job and hold a trial. that is all within their roles in our constitution. What this kangaroo SCOTUS will do is help Trump in his obstruction by keeping the people and records the House wants from getting them, you watch. What the House is doing is no different from what the GOP controlled House did in the Clinton Impeachment, what they thought was right, no pun intended.

You could have just told me that I was right. You could have used a lot fewer words.

 

[HumblePi]

The 2018 election gave a body where a vote of 218-217 allows the winning side to abuse their power.

The Republicans in the House abused their power when they had all three branches of government. One clear example of this abuse of power was the sham of an "investigation" conducted by the House Intelligence Committee chaired by Devin Nunes. He spearheaded the protection of Donald Trump from the first day this committee opened an investigation into Russia hacking the election. He had been an advisor to Trump's campaign and in this same Congressional chairmanship role, he mishandled classified information resulting in a House ethics investigation. In response, he recused himself from participating in the Committee’s ongoing investigation of Russian meddling into the U.S. election in 2016. Devin Nunes clearly acting in an overtly partisan way to upset and side-rail the entire Trump investigation.

Democrats heading this impeachment investigation are doing so in the name of democracy, not partisan politics.

 

[Moderate Right]

The supreme court voted itself the authority to rewrite laws as it sees fit. It is not a legitimate institution.

So, you're saying that we don't need amendments to the constitution anymore?

 

[Helix]

Some don't agree with any notion that 'justice' is relevant to the courts; or that they have any obligation to enforce things like 'equal protection'. As long as THEY get to have the losing candidates they like win elections.

Republicans can't win without gerrymandering and voter suppression. That's why you see them constantly defending any and every dirty trick.

 

[HumblePi]

How so? The resistance is stopping many things Trump wanted to accomplish.

Circumventing the Dept of Defense by making this momentous decision to withdraw support from the Kurds and making that decision overnight without the advice of the very people who he should be listening to. That's just one example of how a dictator operates.

 

[Helix]

The Supreme Court is not the top dictator of the country. Even they have to follow the laws and the constitution and judge their cases in that manner.

It is within their power to toss out gerrymandering, as I said.

 

[Obscurity]

That's just it. I'm not against any media as long as they issue a disclaimer about who they are. If they slant one way then own up to providing biased news coverage.

You do realize YOU GUYS created this media mess, right?

In your absurd worship of disgusting charlatans like Reagan, you missed the point. "Deregulate" meant ending the "fairness" doctrine, which prevented the sort of mass media insanity we have today. It's a stunning example of republican lack of foresight, and, of their hubris; they bemoan the media, yet forget one of the pillars of their insane, cannibalistic beliefs, Reagan, did away with a doctrine that ensured equal coverage and less "opinion" peddling that you guys insist is due to "liberal bias."

Pure lunacy becomes the right wing; they blame everyone else for the hollow corruption running rife through this admin, and then blame the media, a monster THEY STITCHED TOGETHER. Yes, FOX news and CNN could always push fake propaganda via opinion shows, however, ending the fairness doctrine eliminated the last stop gap to having fair news coverage this nation ever knew. Of course, that will be conveniently ignored by the plebes of the right wing who insist everything is the swamp or democrat plants.

 

[Craig234]

First, it was a terrible decision that had absolutely no basis in our Constitution, in fact, similar in my mind to Roe.

You should educate yourself on how Roe was the constitutional decision.

Here are two things to start you.

One, is learn that the constitution itself demands that there is a concept of rights the people have that are not explicitly stated in the constitution. Read the 9th and 10th amendments. The constitution says that a right not being explicitly listed, such as 'free speech', doesn't make it any less protected as a right. It's the argument that such rights are NOT protected that violates the constitution.

Two, is read Griswold v. Connecticut, the decision where the constitutionality of this issue was recognized, where the right to personal choice was recognized as just such a protected right that is not listed in the constitution. Your not understanding the constitutional issues doesn't mean there aren't any the ruling is based on.

 

[Obscurity]

So, you're saying that we don't need amendments to the constitution anymore?

I'm saying we need to amend the constitution. Not allow the SCOTUS to rewrite whatever it wants on a whim.

 

[Moderate Right]

The recent SCOTUS has not yet voted on the latest ACA, Obamacare, case that will soon come before them. The best guess bu most experts is that the court will find the ACA unconstitutional.

A lower court has already decided that. But, I see where you are coming from. If a court decides cases in favor of liberals then it is a legitimate court. If it decides cases in favor of conservatives then it is a kangaroo court. At least that makes it simple.

 

[Moderate Right]

The Republicans in the House abused their power when they had all three branches of government. One clear example of this abuse of power was the sham of an "investigation" conducted by the House Intelligence Committee chaired by Devin Nunes. He spearheaded the protection of Donald Trump from the first day this committee opened an investigation into Russia hacking the election. He had been an advisor to Trump's campaign and in this same Congressional chairmanship role, he mishandled classified information resulting in a House ethics investigation. In response, he recused himself from participating in the Committee’s ongoing investigation of Russian meddling into the U.S. election in 2016. Devin Nunes clearly acting in an overtly partisan way to upset and side-rail the entire Trump investigation.

Democrats heading this impeachment investigation are doing so in the name of democracy, not partisan politics.

I see, so you're saying that the other side abused their power so now it is your side's turn to abuse their power.

 

[Moderate Right]

Republicans can't win without gerrymandering and voter suppression. That's why you see them constantly defending any and every dirty trick.

You can't gerrymander unless you won in the first place so your statement is incorrect. Republicans can win without gerrymandering.

 

[akyron]

It's what they were groomed and hired to do - as they already partly did, banning the universal Medicaid expansion. Protect the Republican political interests, that's their job.

So its in your political interest to rob the American taxpayer? Why?

 

[Helix]

You can't gerrymander unless you won in the first place so your statement is incorrect. Republicans can win without gerrymandering.

Right.

 

[Moderate Right]

Circumventing the Dept of Defense by making this momentous decision to withdraw support from the Kurds and making that decision overnight without the advice of the very people who he should be listening to. That's just one example of how a dictator operates.

This whole Kurds thing is ridiculous. Obama didn't give a damn about Crimea. Where was your anger then? You lefties always complain about the right being war hawks spending trillions of dollars on the military and fighting endless wars and now, all of a sudden, you care about the Kurds. The Kurds and Turkey were fighting long before Trump became president. We didn't defend the Kurds then.

 

[Linc]

Republicans can't win without gerrymandering and voter suppression. That's why you see them constantly defending any and every dirty trick.

The USSC will allow ‘total people’ to be counted when it comes to the reapportionment of the 435 House seats, seeing that as a federal issue. This will benefit red states like AZ, TX, FL, GA, and NC to name a few.

At that point, the USSC has signaled they would support these red states in NOT counting ‘non-citizens’ when they do redistricting in 2021, which will Decrease the # of Democratic CDs compared to current practices.

 

[Craig234]

In your absurd worship of disgusting charlatans like Reagan, you missed the point. "Deregulate" meant ending the "fairness" doctrine, which prevented the sort of mass media insanity we have today. It's a stunning example of republican lack of foresight, and, of their hubris; they bemoan the media, yet forget one of the pillars of their insane, cannibalistic beliefs, Reagan, did away with a doctrine that ensured equal coverage and less "opinion" peddling that you guys insist is due to "liberal bias."

Pure lunacy becomes the right wing; they blame everyone else for the hollow corruption running rife through this admin, and then blame the media, a monster THEY STITCHED TOGETHER. Yes, FOX news and CNN could always push fake propaganda via opinion shows, however, ending the fairness doctrine eliminated the last stop gap to having fair news coverage this nation ever knew. Of course, that will be conveniently ignored by the plebes of the right wing who insist everything is the swamp or democrat plants.

You're right about Reagan, but not the fairness doctrine. You're right that Reagan ended it, but not about its importance to how the media operates. It NEVER had any meaningful protection - it required very, very little very occasionally, and might have deterred a bit of advocacy. But it was tiny compared to the changes that have happened.

The changes have really come from other things the fairness doctrine would have done nothing to prevent.

Most importantly, the come simply from the changes that our country becoming a plutocracy have causes - the politicization of wealth like never before. The culture used to be to put 'the people' and democracy above wealth, now wealth rules, and that has many effects including on the media.

Secondarily are changes to the businesses themselves - going from a very diverse number of dozens, hundreds, thousands of media outlets, to where five control nearly all the media; and turning the news into a profitable business, which started with 60 Minutes. Networks saw news could go from money loser to money maker, and the rest is history.

And thirdly, the fairness doctrine, with the tiny effect it had, was only applicable to broadcast networks, not cable channels - so outlets like Fox would not be affected even if it had not been repealed.

 

[Moderate Right]

It is within their power to toss out gerrymandering, as I said.

No it isn't. They can't do things they can't do just because you want them to.

 

[Moderate Right]

You do realize YOU GUYS created this media mess, right?

In your absurd worship of disgusting charlatans like Reagan, you missed the point. "Deregulate" meant ending the "fairness" doctrine, which prevented the sort of mass media insanity we have today. It's a stunning example of republican lack of foresight, and, of their hubris; they bemoan the media, yet forget one of the pillars of their insane, cannibalistic beliefs, Reagan, did away with a doctrine that ensured equal coverage and less "opinion" peddling that you guys insist is due to "liberal bias."

Pure lunacy becomes the right wing; they blame everyone else for the hollow corruption running rife through this admin, and then blame the media, a monster THEY STITCHED TOGETHER. Yes, FOX news and CNN could always push fake propaganda via opinion shows, however, ending the fairness doctrine eliminated the last stop gap to having fair news coverage this nation ever knew. Of course, that will be conveniently ignored by the plebes of the right wing who insist everything is the swamp or democrat plants.

What? Fox News and the rest were created to counter the bias of the left media which have been in power for decades.

 

[Craig234]

There is no democracy here, even though the founders DID intend it to be so.

That's not true. Democracy still has some power, in theory and even in practice. For example, IF voters chose Bernie and Democratic Supermajorities, we'd have democracy. How long that will be the case, it's hard to say. It's increasingly corrupted, weakened, absent, ruled by money - but not yet 'no democracy'.

 

[Moderate Right]

I'm saying we need to amend the constitution. Not allow the SCOTUS to rewrite whatever it wants on a whim.

LOL. But that's exactly what you wanted them to do in this case!