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Scientist seen as architect of Iran's nuclear program assassinated

I hate to break it to you but the US didn’t force the French historian to define the term the way he did. Pehraps you should read less William Blum and more actual history. We weren’t welcome in Germany in the early to mid 1940s, but I rather doubt you actually think the US should have ensured not a single drop of aid made it to the Allies. Here’s a hint; cheerleading for brutal dictators makes your whining about the US utterly meaningless.
Whatever 'aid' you provided was paid for in hard cash. Whatever was 'lent' via Lend-Lease was reciprocated by leasing you bases for your military-at our expense.
 
Whatever 'aid' you provided was paid for in hard cash. Whatever was 'lent' via Lend-Lease was reciprocated by leasing you bases for your military-at our expense.
You're welcome, by the way.
 
Whatever 'aid' you provided was paid for in hard cash. Whatever was 'lent' via Lend-Lease was reciprocated by leasing you bases for your military-at our expense.

The aid we provided was supplied at the risk of the lives of the merchant sailors and destroyer crewmen who willingly went into a warzone to keep Brits from starving. Not to mention, of course, all those destroyers we gave you. But I’m sure to a fan of William Blum it would have been much more satisfying for the country to starve than face the facts about US aid.
 
The aid we provided was supplied at the risk of the lives of the merchant sailors and destroyer crewmen who willingly went into a warzone to keep Brits from starving. Not to mention, of course, all those destroyers we gave you. But I’m sure to a fan of William Blum it would have been much more satisfying for the country to starve than face the facts about US aid.

Yes. It was in our best interests to do so.

We were no more plaster saints that we are today.
 
I guess if you're a fan of deliberately targeting civilian populations then that image would impress you.

I suppose you could drop one out in the middle of nowhere but I'm not sure how much good that would do? It's an interesting concept though. We could train our Marines to shoot to miss also.

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Oh, I know. And American handling of nukes has been about as responsible as humans could be.

It's just watching people wanking to images of population centers being nuked that squicks me out. It's porn to these people.

I'm glad it gets to you. That's the point.

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The aid we provided was supplied at the risk of the lives of the merchant sailors and destroyer crewmen who willingly went into a warzone to keep Brits from starving. Not to mention, of course, all those destroyers we gave you. But I’m sure to a fan of William Blum it would have been much more satisfying for the country to starve than face the facts about US aid.
The destroyers? Ancient WW1 era four-pipers scheduled for scrap. Nevertheless they did come in useful as convoy escorts-and they were not a gift but were in exchange for land rights in British territories as a part of the Lend-Lease agreement. You forget that the Atlantic convoys involved one or two British ships and sailors, as well as many from our former Commonwealth territories.
 
The destroyers? Ancient WW1 era four-pipers scheduled for scrap. Nevertheless they did come in useful as convoy escorts-and they were not a gift but were in exchange for land rights in British territories as a part of the Lend-Lease agreement. You forget that the Atlantic convoys involved one or two British ships and sailors, as well as many from our former Commonwealth territories.

All which were still quite useful ships, which was the entire point of handing them over to you in the first place. But again, to a fan of William Blum the fact that America provided so much help must burn like a vampire in sunlight 😂
 
All which were still quite useful ships, which was the entire point of handing them over to you in the first place. But again, to a fan of William Blum the fact that America provided so much help must burn like a vampire in sunlight 😂
Don't confuse business deals (Lend-Lease), with altruism. Roosevelt came to realise that Nazi Germany was an existential threat to America and acted in the interests of his country.
 
Don't confuse business deals (Lend-Lease), with altruism. Roosevelt came to realise that Nazi Germany was an existential threat to America and acted in the interests of his country.

Again, there was no obligation to put American lives in danger sailing into a war zone to keep England fed. Germany couldn’t have invaded the US.....ever, really. The fact that Roosevelt saw the danger posed by Germany conquering Europe doesn’t change the fact that the US would have been perfectly fine had we stayed out of the war altogether.
 
Again, there was no obligation to put American lives in danger sailing into a war zone to keep England fed. Germany couldn’t have invaded the US.....ever, really. The fact that Roosevelt saw the danger posed by Germany conquering Europe doesn’t change the fact that the US would have been perfectly fine had we stayed out of the war altogether.
It's not a question of Germany invading the US; it was never Hitler's intention-beyond some poorly thought-out fantasies. His focus was to the East. The Third Reich had other means of hurting the US.
 
What does this have to do with a dead Iranian scientist?

Evrything. Its called global political game.

Your european allies already turned their back on you. You now lose your influence in asia.

In retreat on evry front.
 
It's not a question of Germany invading the US; it was never Hitler's intention-beyond some poorly thought-out fantasies. His focus was to the East. The Third Reich had other means of hurting the US.

None of which would have actually worked. Germany simply didn’t have the power, even if it had magically somehow conquered all of Europe.
 
Evrything. Its called global political game.

Your european allies already turned their back on you. You now lose your influence in asia.

In retreat on evry front.
Yawn. Let me know when another superpower steps up, or another country has troops stationed inside of the borders of the United States, or another country launches a declared military attack against us... otherwise everyone is is just little dogs yapping in the next yard over while the United States poops on their lawn and eats out of their food bowl.
 
Yawn. Let me know when another superpower steps up, or another country has troops stationed inside of the borders of the United States, or another country launches a declared military attack against us... otherwise everyone is is just little dogs yapping in the next yard over while the United States poops on their lawn and eats out of their food bowl.

China already has more political Power in international politics. Europe in economic area.

You have become one of 4. EU, USA, China and Russia.
 
China already has more political Power in international politics. Europe in economic area.

You have become one of 4. EU, USA, China and Russia.
Russia? Lawl. Will all the economic power of Texas. With fewer guns. Ha ha. Good one!
 
China already has more political Power in international politics. Europe in economic area.

You have become one of 4. EU, USA, China and Russia.


We should start encouraging you in here. If Germany has enough of you they'll go down in flames.

Germany’s Far Right Reunified, Too, Making It Much Stronger
Thirty years after Germany came back together, the former East has become the stronghold of a once-marginalized movement that now sits in Parliament.


“Reunification was a huge boost for the far right,” said Ingo Hasselbach, a former neo-Nazi. “The neo-Nazis were the first ones to be reunified. We laid the foundation for a party like the AfD. There are things we used to say that have become mainstream today.”Credit...Laetitia Vancon for The New York Times
Katrin Bennhold
By Katrin Bennhold
  • Oct. 3, 2020
BERLIN — They called him the “Führer of Berlin.”

Ingo Hasselbach had been a clandestine neo-Nazi in communist East Berlin, but the fall of the Berlin Wall brought him out of the shadows. He connected with western extremists in the unified city, organized far-right workshops, fought street battles with leftists and celebrated Hitler’s birthday. He dreamed of a far-right party in the parliament of a reunified Germany.

Today, the far-right party Alternative for Germany, known by its German initials, AfD, is the main opposition in Parliament. Its leaders march side by side with far-right extremists in street protests. And its power base is the former communist East.
“Reunification was a huge boost for the far right,” said Mr. Hasselbach, who left the neo-Nazi scene years ago and now helps others to do the same. “The neo-Nazis were the first ones to be reunified. We laid the foundation for a party like the AfD. There are things we used to say that have become mainstream today.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/world/europe/germany-reunification-far-right.html
 
Saddam may have been a nasty bastard, but he was Iraq's nasty bastard. Sooner or later he would have been dealt with-by Iraqis. Is Iraq any better off now after the West blundered in?

Oh, Good Lord. The poor Iraqi people.
 
Russia? Lawl. Will all the economic power of Texas. With fewer guns. Ha ha. Good one!


I think you dont realize whats going on the world.

Your allies turn away from you. USA in 2020 is not the USA anymore it was in the 1980th, when they were at their peak. We see a former empire that crumbles in the world.

USA doesnt has the power anymore to make unilateral decissions in the middle east. USA could not remove Assad or even uphold the weapon embargo against Iran. The entire power balance in the world is shifting

Thats not just trumps fault, the decline already started under Obama but did speed up under Trump into a cascade.

The worlds powers see that loss of influnce and new powers fill the void. USA will remain an important country but doesnt have the power anymore to force its will through.

Opportunistic Powers like China used the power vacuum to gain influence instantly.

Your former closest allies like Germany, France and UK at first needed time to realize whats going on and reluctantly start to fill voids the the regressing USA leave.
 
You do realize that this is going to fly straight over his head.......right?


Our far right would be considered as left by your mad trumpists. We have nothing that comes even remotely close to the madness that your far right and Trumpists show.


Infact, our far right openly says they will never be like Trump because being compared with trump is the main insult here and a sure bet on political death. The madness, chaos and collapse of democrtic values we see in USA is shocking and on a level we find unimaginable for a developed nation.
 
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