Schumer Promising To Make Iraq Another Vietnam

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Schumer Promising To Make Iraq Another Vietnam

Feb 18 2007 7:11AM
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"There will be resolution after resolution, amendment after amendment . . . just like in the days of Vietnam," Schumer said. "The pressure will mount, the president will find he has no strategy, he will have to change his strategy and the vast majority of our troops will be taken out of harm?s way and come home."

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If there ever was any doubt that the Democrats seek our defeat in Iraq, that doubt is now gone forever. So, go ahead and add this to the other two Democrats who are freely admitting that they are seeking victory for Islamic Fascism and defeat for a free Iraq and the U.S., first up John Murtha:

Jack Murtha's Goal: Undermine the president's foreign and national security policy

Coming Tomorrow!!​

CHAIRMAN JACK MURTHA TO OUTLINE COMMITTEE STRATEGY ON BUSH’S IRAQ FUNDING REQUEST THURSDAY MORNING AT 11:00 AM EST ON MOVECONGRESS.ORG ​

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Join us tomorrow at 11:00 AM EST when Congressman Jack Murtha will outline new details of a strategy to use his Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense to oppose the Bush war in Iraq. Congressman Jim Moran, another Committee member, predicts the Committee action will be the “bite” that follows this week’s Congressional “bark” – the three-day debate on a non-binding Congressional resolution.​

The Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense has begun consideration of the president’s $93 billion supplemental appropriations request for Iraq. Action on the request will be the first opportunity for the new Congress to exercise its “power-of-the-purse” over the Iraq war.​

Chairman Murtha will describe his strategy for not only limiting the deployment of troops to Iraq but undermining other aspects of the president’s foreign and national security policy. Chairman Murtha discusses these steps in a videotaped conversation with former Congressman Tom Andrews (D-ME), the National Director of the Win Without War coalition, sponsor of MoveCongress.org.
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But Murtha and Schumer aren't alone, oh no they're joined by Democrat (fuc/k your IC as$holes) Congressional Leader Rahm Emanuel:​

"The secret for the Democrats, says Emanuel, is to remain the party of reform and change. The country is angry, and it will only get more so as the problems in Iraq deepen. Don't look to Emanuel's Democrats for solutions on Iraq. It's Bush's war, and as it splinters the structure of GOP power, the Democrats are waiting to pick up the pieces."​

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None dare call it treason.​

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So no Dems have anything to say about their party advocating defeat in Iraq?

 

[Gibberish]

I fail to see any democrat admitting they are specifically seeking victory for Islamic Fascism as you claim they are.

What I do see if the democrats scrambling like chickens with their heads cut off to come up with something different from the failed policy of Iraq thus far. Murtha, specifically, seems to like to point fingers and talk down on Bush without presenting any valid plan of his own.

The only plan I have seen that has a possibility of working, with some tweaks, is Biden's plan of three Iraqi states and a limited federal government. Even this plan has the possibility of future border disputes between the internal states.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I fail to see any democrat admitting they are specifically seeking victory for Islamic Fascism as you claim they are.

Did the U.S. win in Vietnam? No you say? So if Iraq turns into another Vietnam whose going to win this time? Oh that's right the Islamic Fascists, hence Schumer is rooting for the Islamic Fascists to win.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Did the U.S. win in Vietnam? No you say? So if Iraq turns into another Vietnam whose going to win this time? Oh that's right the Islamic Fascists, hence Schumer is rooting for the Islamic Fascists to win.

I won't speak for Murtha because he's acting like a retard about the NSP, but I think a lot of people believe we aren't going to win the war in Iraq whether we stay or not. So the only options they see are to lose now or wait and lose after more American blood is shed in vein. They need to be convinced that if we stay, things will improve eventually.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I won't speak for Murtha because he's acting like a retard about the NSP, but I think a lot of people believe we aren't going to win the war in Iraq whether we stay or not. So the only options they see are to lose now or wait and lose after more American blood is shed in vein. They need to be convinced that if we stay, things will improve eventually.

No the Democrats are committed to our defeat in Iraq as is made quite clear by their statements that are now a matter of the public record.

 

[Binary_Digit]

No the Democrats are committed to our defeat in Iraq as is made quite clear by their statements that are now a matter of the public record.

If you believe that immediate withdrawal means defeat while staying the course means victory, then sure, anyone who wants to withdraw is advocating defeat. But you need to understand that staying the course is considered a worse defeat. They could turn your logic around and claim that you are advocating defeat by wanting to stay and lose more American lives in an unwinnable war.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

If you believe that immediate withdrawal means defeat while staying the course means victory, then sure, anyone who wants to withdraw is advocating defeat. But you need to understand that staying the course is considered a worse defeat. They could turn your logic around and claim that you are advocating defeat by wanting to stay and lose more American lives in an unwinnable war.

Schumer isn't saying that Iraq is another Vietnam he is saying that he wants to make it another Vietnam. I don't see anything about immediate withdrawal in any one of those comments what I do see is a clear strategy in undermining the U.S. in its war in Iraq.

 

[Wyrmdog]

Schumer isn't saying that Iraq is another Vietnam he is saying that he wants to make it another Vietnam.

That isn't what he said according to what you posted.

"There will be resolution after resolution, amendment after amendment . . . just like in the days of Vietnam," Schumer said.

Looks like a simple comment on a parallel in legislation and political pressure. Trying to say that he wants us to lose by turning Iraq into Vietnam is disingenuous at best, deliberately misleading at worst.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

That isn't what he said according to what you posted.



Looks like a simple comment on a parallel in legislation and political pressure. Trying to say that he wants us to lose by turning Iraq into Vietnam is disingenuous at best, deliberately misleading at worst.

So you're saying that the polical landscape at home during the Vietnam war was not a major contributing factor to our loss there?

 

[Binary_Digit]

I don't see anything about immediate withdrawal in any one of those comments what I do see is a clear strategy in undermining the U.S. in its war in Iraq.

Well, unfortunately for everyone involved, undermining the troops by cutting their funding seems to be the only way Congress can force Bush to bring them home. Seeing as how he won't change his mind and all.

My point is, if you want to convince people that we should stay in Iraq, you won't get very far by claiming that withdrawal advocates only want defeat, which is all you're really doing here. You have to realize that they've already determined staying the course is an even worse defeat. You'd do a lot better to convince them that staying the course is not defeat, see?

On the other hand, if you just wanted to bash the democrats, carry on... you're doing a fine job! :2razz:

 

[Wyrmdog]

So you're saying that the polical landscape at home during the Vietnam war was not a major contributing factor to our loss there?

I'm saying that his intent is likely different than what you're painting.

 

[Binary_Digit]

So you're saying that the polical landscape at home during the Vietnam war was not a major contributing factor to our loss there?

It was a major factor to why we finally left Vietnam, but I don't think it had much to do with why we lost. As I understand it, we were losing the war due to bad political decisions and that's why popular support went down. Kinda like how the Iraq war has gone.

 

[Gibberish]

My point is, if you want to convince people that we should stay in Iraq, you won't get very far by claiming that withdrawal advocates only want defeat, which is all you're really doing here. You have to realize that they've already determined staying the course is an even worse defeat. You'd do a lot better to convince them that staying the course is not defeat, see?

That right there is my major problem with alot of the right wing individuals. They state what they believe will lead to defeat but say nothing of what will lead to victory. If you don't know what will lead to victory how can you know what will lead to defeat?

For the record I am against pulling the troops out as the situation in Iraq stands now.