School Bullies (1 Viewer)

[Topsez]

I was watching CNN a while ago and Glen Beck was on talking about school bullies. He went on about the bus camera of two Spanish girls beating the crap out of a white girl on the bus as no one helped.

A similar incident happened to my son and I went to the principal and told him I hold him responsible and asked if he knew who the assailant was… when he answered yes I told him I also hold him responsible…

 

[TurtleDude]

many school bullies are created by cretinous parents. A good as$ whippin of the parents might be as useful as giving the bully a good thrashing. many of the school shootings come from those on the receiving end of bullying.

 

[Topsez]

many school bullies are created by cretinous parents. A good as$ whippin of the parents might be as useful as giving the bully a good thrashing. many of the school shootings come from those on the receiving end of bullying.

After learning that my son was being abused by a school bully from a relative I went to the school to see the principal... While waiting to see him I see this very large, let's say 220 pound black kid knock three or four boys off a bench.. then he comes into the office and tries to stare me down and asks a clerk to use the phone as an excuse... He had put on a fear show for me... he tried to intimidate me...

I finally got to see the director and discribed the kid and asked if he was the bully bothering my son and the director said that he thought that he was... I sensed instantly that the director was afraid of the bully... Before I could speak the dir told me the boy's dad had been killed in a drug deal and that his mom was in jail and he was living with other relatives...

I changed the subject right away about investments and told the dir I had made tens of thousands in the NASDAC bubble... then I changed the subject again quickly that I had cut the tips of my fingers on a table saw and lost the use of my right hand for almost two months... then I stared him in the eyes and asked... do you know what is hard to do with one hand? And, before he could answer I said everything... Then while he was still in shock I told him that I was a witness in a Federal EEO case and the guys who caused the problem toward my friend was shot deader than hell as I demonstrated with a kocked finger about a foot from his head. POW! I changed the subject again and took out my front bridge and put it in his face and told him "a bully knocked out my teeth".... Knowing the bully had about thirty followers in the school I told the teacher perhaps you should call him in so I could talk with him... ah ah ah ah.... never mind... just tell him I lost $3,000 in a bad stock deal and broken arms come $1500 each... And, then I told him again I hold you responsible for my son's safety... Leaving I asked you know what sucks more than one broken arm? and before he could answer I told him TWO and whoever has them better have some one that loves them a lot!

I nor my son never had more problems with the school bullies.

 

[Morrow]

A good “*** whipping” may make the child no longer attack out of fear, but it also reinforces that physical confrontation is an appropriate response, thus exacerbating the problem over the long run. In practice corpral punishment is only effective the way the parent intends until age 2. Bullies may not come from abusive homes themselves, but they do suffer from a fundamentally weak ego.

I was bullied a lot when I was a kid, a few years after graduating high school I ran into one of my former tormentors, he apologized, and was so upset with himself he almost started to cry. So it is worth noting that the bully themselves doesn’t like what they are doing, sadism and masochism are caused by the same thing, it is just one is internalized and the other is directed outwards.


You may say the parent are to blame, and that is partly true, but if they themselves have self-respect issues then how the kid supposed to learn anything?

Don’t expect anyone at the school to give a fleeting thought about you, your kid, the bully, or anyone else. Despite this myth we have of teachers being the saviors of our society the simple fact of the matter is most of them view education as an easy secure job. And they know most of them wound up there because they are second rate. And they may hate you if you point out problems under their jurisdiction.
The response to bullying depends on a lot on the age of the bully, but realistically if you want this to stop you may have to be the one to help the child.

EDIT: Well I guess you already solved the problem... i guess thats one way to motivate the school into helping...

 

[Paladin]

many school bullies are created by cretinous parents. A good as$ whippin of the parents might be as useful as giving the bully a good thrashing. many of the school shootings come from those on the receiving end of bullying.

They may be created by parents, but they are encouraged by their friends. Slapping the parents around would be quite enjoyable and cathartic, but those parents would then slap their children around, who in turn would up the bullying ante.

The physical bullying is most often done by the bigger kids and their "gang". And they will try to pick out a loner, or more introverted kid who is smaller. It is tough for the smaller kid to stand up to a bully and his cohorts. The bully won't fight fair. And sometimes, the teachers are intimidated by the bullies. There are a lot of middles schoolers who are bigger than I am, and in the high school, the difference is even more apparent.

There is a lot of psychological bullying being done by girls. The girls can be even more unpleasant tan the boys. They start vile rumors and gossip and when the bullied girl talks back, that's when the violence will start. And girls fight dirty.

Parents need to be aware when their children are being bullied. Topsez did the right thing. The school administrators need to step up and they need to make sure their teachers step up also. The more self-confident kids need to be recruited to help out also. And there need to be more programs like Chuck Noriss's Kick Drugs Out of America. Although it is geared initially to keep kids off the streets and give them the skills to stand up to peer pressure, a valuable offshoot is the self-confidence and self-esteem to stand up for themselves.
ted

 

[Kandahar]

There's only one way to deal with school bullies: By beating the everloving **** out of them.

From 5th grade to 9th grade, I got picked on a lot. Other kids never missed an opportunity to remind me how hated I was. I built a shell around myself, and as a result, I'm still very shy to this day. The bullying didn't stop until I finally beat the **** out of one kid. I was never bullied again.

If I had a kid who was getting bullied, I'd make sure to teach him how to fight and how to stand up for himself.

 

[Topsez]

There's only one way to deal with school bullies: By beating the everloving **** out of them.

From 5th grade to 9th grade, I got picked on a lot. Other kids never missed an opportunity to remind me how hated I was. I built a shell around myself, and as a result, I'm still very shy to this day. The bullying didn't stop until I finally beat the **** out of one kid. I was never bullied again.

If I had a kid who was getting bullied, I'd make sure to teach him how to fight and how to stand up for himself.

You are probably correct... I feel guilt from my elementary school days... there was this girl that had a gland disorder and was very fat and all the mean kids, including me bothered her every day... Funny, her name is almost the only name I still remember... the same in junior high school ... a boy smaller then me used to pick fights with me all the time because I was the biggest kid... I didn't want trouble but would only defend myself.

After the conforntation with the director about my son I found my son had got an attitude thinking he was bad since no one was bothering him any more he thought it was because it was him that had made the change... When I told my son what I had did months later he was angry... I'm sorry for being mean to the fat girl and sorry for thinking about finding the boy that made my life miserable and killing him as recently as a couple years ago.

 

[TurtleDude]

There's only one way to deal with school bullies: By beating the everloving **** out of them.

From 5th grade to 9th grade, I got picked on a lot. Other kids never missed an opportunity to remind me how hated I was. I built a shell around myself, and as a result, I'm still very shy to this day. The bullying didn't stop until I finally beat the **** out of one kid. I was never bullied again.

If I had a kid who was getting bullied, I'd make sure to teach him how to fight and how to stand up for himself.

Its true-in cincinnati,there were two good private schools-both were coed thru 6 grade and then one was all girls the other all boys though both became fully coed during my years in HS. I went to the one that became all girls after grade school and I went to the other in 7th grade. because my former school started accepting boys in the next year, I was the only boy who transferred. I was picked on by some kids mainly because I came from "The girls school" even though we had always beat my new school in grade school football. After a month of that I turned around in class when some kid was smacking me in the back of my head when the teacher was writing on the black board. I wasn't very big but I had really fast hands. I hit this much bigger kid as hard as I could. The Headmaster asked me why when I was sent to his office. I told him I had to put an end to this. He didnt do anything to me-probably because he already knew about the bullying. The other kid never bugged me again and ended up being a pretty good friend.

I only got into one more real fight and that was in the end of junior year when the senior class a-hole walked up to me during a end of year party and took a piece of cake and smashed it in my face.I was the third person he did this too-all of us underclassmen. The other two just took it. I spun around and caught the guy in the face with a spinning back kick. It broke his jaw. He made the mistake for throwing a punch that caught my shoulder. I hit him 8 times in about 2 seconds. I really don't know what happened to him because he had just graduated and his girlfriend drove him home-I didn't see him again til I beat him badly in a trial where he was attorney on the other side 25 years later

the college counselor was a former army ranger. He saw the whole thing through his office window He told me to get my a$$ in his office asap. He then explained that my technique was in need of some work and spent twenty minutes telling me how to properly throw a punch. He noted he watched this bully pick on people for 5 years and was just waiting for somone to teach the boy a lesson but everyone was too scared of this guy who was all state in soccer and was pretty well built.

even this boy's brother gave me a high five when school started next fall and people found out why this guy had a wired up jaw most of the summer.

violence doesn't solve everything but sometimes you have to do unto others for what they do unto you

 

[TurtleDude]

They may be created by parents, but they are encouraged by their friends. Slapping the parents around would be quite enjoyable and cathartic, but those parents would then slap their children around, who in turn would up the bullying ante.

The physical bullying is most often done by the bigger kids and their "gang". And they will try to pick out a loner, or more introverted kid who is smaller. It is tough for the smaller kid to stand up to a bully and his cohorts. The bully won't fight fair. And sometimes, the teachers are intimidated by the bullies. There are a lot of middles schoolers who are bigger than I am, and in the high school, the difference is even more apparent.

There is a lot of psychological bullying being done by girls. The girls can be even more unpleasant tan the boys. They start vile rumors and gossip and when the bullied girl talks back, that's when the violence will start. And girls fight dirty.

Parents need to be aware when their children are being bullied. Topsez did the right thing. The school administrators need to step up and they need to make sure their teachers step up also. The more self-confident kids need to be recruited to help out also. And there need to be more programs like Chuck Noriss's Kick Drugs Out of America. Although it is geared initially to keep kids off the streets and give them the skills to stand up to peer pressure, a valuable offshoot is the self-confidence and self-esteem to stand up for themselves.
ted

true enough-I was picked on because I was only one of two 7th graders who started at the school that year in the class. The other kid was a real big Greek kid and he was a good guy but not someone to F with. As I said, after a while no one bugged me and the reason why I t'd off on that one guy was in front of a teacher so I wouldnt get "wolfpacked". Every year we had a couple new kids join our class and I sort of made sure I hung with them because I knew what I went through.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

There's only one way to deal with school bullies: By beating the everloving **** out of them.

Yes. But what the other posters appear to be missing is, it does no good for you as a parent to beat your child's bullies. You've got it right-- you need to teach your children to do it for themselves, both to be strong enough to and to reject this pacifistic garbage they're spewing in the schools.

 

[FallingPianos]

I was watching CNN a while ago and Glen Beck was on talking about school bullies. He went on about the bus camera of two Spanish girls beating the crap out of a white girl on the bus as no one helped.

A similar incident happened to my son and I went to the principal and told him I hold him responsible and asked if he knew who the assailant was… when he answered yes I told him I also hold him responsible…

why are these students not expelled?

 

[Patrickt]

Of course, I encountered bullies in school. I learned to deal with them. Then, I got out of school, and, guess what, so did the bullies. They were where I worked, too. I suppose learning to deal with them was one of the more valuable legacies from school.

Also, there is a problem with definitions in the U.S. We keep redefining problems to increase it. There is a big difference between a kid who wants to hit you with a pipe and a kid who says cruel things, won't talk to you, or gives you dirty looks.

 

[Topsez]

why are these students not expelled?

The director feared the kingpin who was about 6'2" at 220 pounds from a family that had nothing to lose... Then there is the reality that some of his thirty followers belonged to influential families that could make his life miserable... I simply gave him a choice easy to make so he could discuss it with the bully... I think I said something like.... Tell the bully I know an unemployed bully from the class of 89 in Aguada (a place here known for people in low places) and that he should say a little prayer for my son everyday...

 

[Billo_Really]

You get right in that bullies face and tell them that their behavior will not be tolerated. And if it continues, you will f.uck up their s.hit!

 

[Hoot]

Some bullies are just looking for attention. They might think bullying is a way to be popular or to get what they want. Most bullies are trying to make themselves feel more important — when they pick on someone else, it makes them feel big and powerful.

Some bullies come from families where everyone is angry and shouting all the time. They may think that being angry, calling names, and pushing people around is a normal way to act. Some bullies are copying what they've seen someone else do. Some have been bullied themselves.

Sometimes a bully knows that what he or she is doing or saying hurts other people. But other bullies may not really know how hurtful their actions can be. Most bullies don't understand or care about the feelings of others.

Bullies often pick on someone they think they can have power over. They might pick on kids who get upset easily or who have trouble sticking up for themselves. Getting a big reaction out of someone can make bullies feel like they have the power they want. Sometimes bullies pick on someone who is smarter than they are or different from them in some way. Sometimes bullies just pick on a kid for no reason at all. http://www.kidshealth.org/kid/feeling/emotion/bullies.html

Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry and Gore.

On a serious note, I always used humor...showing fear is the last thing you should do when confronted by a bully. Why do you think North Korea is flexing their muscle by testing nukes?

 

[Topsez]

Some bullies are just looking for attention. They might think bullying is a way to be popular or to get what they want. Most bullies are trying to make themselves feel more important — when they pick on someone else, it makes them feel big and powerful.

Some bullies come from families where everyone is angry and shouting all the time. They may think that being angry, calling names, and pushing people around is a normal way to act. Some bullies are copying what they've seen someone else do. Some have been bullied themselves.

Sometimes a bully knows that what he or she is doing or saying hurts other people. But other bullies may not really know how hurtful their actions can be. Most bullies don't understand or care about the feelings of others.

Bullies often pick on someone they think they can have power over. They might pick on kids who get upset easily or who have trouble sticking up for themselves. Getting a big reaction out of someone can make bullies feel like they have the power they want. Sometimes bullies pick on someone who is smarter than they are or different from them in some way. Sometimes bullies just pick on a kid for no reason at all. http://www.kidshealth.org/kid/feeling/emotion/bullies.html

Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry and Gore.

On a serious note, I always used humor...showing fear is the last thing you should do when confronted by a bully. Why do you think North Korea is flexing their muscle by testing nukes?

I was with you until the last two paragraphs... What is your implication saying Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry and Gore?

Do you think Prez Bush is a bully and caused another bully to act stupid?

After leaving school I was in the army stationed with the elite 82nd Airborne Division. I was a military policeman and often had confrontations with off duty soldiers that didn't respect authority, I considered them bullies all grown up, and if they refussed orders and resisted apprehension they got their wrist or arms broke... I'm not a bully I just don't take crap from bullies... I think Prez Bush feels the same, but thats only my opinion.

 

[Billo_Really]

Since the Soviet Union ended, the United States is the big bully on the block.

 

[talloulou]

There are all differnet types of bullying and basically what you got to do is teach your kids how to handle it when they are bullied as well as really go nuts on them if you find out they were teasing/bullying someone. Luckily my kids are young and haven't had any real problems yet. But even at their young age I've already had to deal with both situations....ones where they are being "picked" on and ones where they were doing the teasing.

My son got sent to the principals office in first grade for punching a kid. The kid had hit him so he hit back. Their school has a zero tolerance policy for violence so regardless of who started it both kids get in trouble. I punished my son and made a huge deal out of the "no violence" policy. He lost his gamecube at home and had other punishments. Secretly I was glad that he hit the other kid back as I believe that's probably one of the best ways to ensure bullying doesn't continue. But I never told my son I was glad as I felt it was important to appear united with the school staff. On the flip side there was also a "hitting" incident in which my son was the aggressor and he got in even more trouble that time.

The odd thing is my son and the boys at his school may fight but make up rather quickly. I guess it's not true "bullying."

I find the girls to be worse. They actually team up and pick on other girls with no mercy over and over.

All in all though I really think teachers and staff must show the kids at school that they are in fact in charge and that they are to be respected. Parents need to be involved but the fact of the matter is when the kids are at school they are at school and the school needs to exert its authority and control. Lately all the schools are leaning more towards calling the parents to handle every situation and I think some kids see that as a "weakness" in the school system.

I didn't vote in the poll because non of the options are very good. Threatening the principal is lame and counter effective. Schools need more authority not less and by threatening school staff you are actually telling the kids to respect school less.

Threatening the bully might work but if do it I think your kid will come off as rather lame. Quite effective though if there are older brothers/sisters/friends however kids that have those don't tend to get bullied as much.

Praying.....God helps them who help themselves.

Filing a report is okay. You should communicate with the school to see what is going on. If your kid is the bully then you have to take it quite seriously to ensure it doesn't happen again. If your kid is being bullied then you got to toughen your kid up quite frankly. Figure out a way to give your kids the tools and skills they need not to be bullied. Build their confidence, teach them a martial art, ect.... Help your kids help themselves.

 

[Billo_Really]

The school staff needs to be able to recognize all forms of bullying, like the obvious sham of the wully bully.

 

[Hoot]

I was with you until the last two paragraphs... What is your implication saying Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry and Gore?

Do you think Prez Bush is a bully and caused another bully to act stupid?

After leaving school I was in the army stationed with the elite 82nd Airborne Division. I was a military policeman and often had confrontations with off duty soldiers that didn't respect authority, I considered them bullies all grown up, and if they refussed orders and resisted apprehension they got their wrist or arms broke... I'm not a bully I just don't take crap from bullies... I think Prez Bush feels the same, but thats only my opinion.

I think you know what my implication was..the same as what Billo referred to..Bush is a bully. I respect and thank you for your service to the military, I'm a veteran myself.

Bush has a history of being a bully...from branding school mates on the buttocks with hot coat hangers, to torturing animals...I'm afraid he never outgrew it.

 

[Jerry]

What to do about school bullies:
1. Threaten the principal that you were going to break his arm.
2. Threaten the assailants that you were going to break their arms
3. Pray that they don’t do it again.
4. File a report and hope for the best.

5. File a report and press charges against the assailant(s), file a lawsuit against the school if fighting is rampant, put the child in martial arts, move away if the problem is to great.

 

[talloulou]

I think you know what my implication was..the same as what Billo referred to..Bush is a bully. I respect and thank you for your service to the military, I'm a veteran myself.

Bush has a history of being a bully...from branding school mates on the buttocks with hot coat hangers, to torturing animals...I'm afraid he never outgrew it.

Bush tortured animals and branded school mates with hot coat hangers? Got any proof of that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by talloulou
Bush tortured animals and branded school mates with hot coat hangers? Got any proof of that?

And he also likes to fart in front of new White House interns!

 

[Hoot]

Bush tortured animals and branded school mates with hot coat hangers? Got any proof of that?

Excuse me, but I thought everyone knew this?

Granted, the hot wire hangers was a fraternity stunt from his college days.

If you're interested, do a search of 'Bush and hot coat hangers,' and maybe 'Bush blows up frogs.'

You'll find a wealth of info out there to make your own determination.

"Bush on the Couch," is also a good read.

 

[talloulou]

And he also likes to fart in front of new White House interns!

He farts too! My god y'all probably accuse him of masturbating next! :shock: