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Saudis Snub Obama On Riyadh Arrival Amid Growing Tensions

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White House: Obama 'cleared the air' with Saudi Arabia - CNNPolitics.com



Saudis Snub Obama On Riyadh Arrival Amid Growing Tensions


(CNN) “President Barack Obama received a chilly reception from Saudi Arabia's leaders as he landed in Riyadh Wednesday, a clear sign of the cooling relations between once-close allies amid regional upheaval and dropping oil prices. ……..

………. When Obama touched down in Riyadh shortly after 1 p.m. local time, there were no kisses with the kingdom's ruler as President George W. Bush once exchanged. The Saudi government dispatched the governor of Riyadh rather than a senior-level royal to shake Obama's hand, a departure from the scene at the airport earlier in the day when King Salman was shown on state television greeting the leaders of other Gulf nations on the tarmac.

Social media users quickly termed the reception, which was not carried live on state TV, a snub and a sign that a relationship long lubricated by barrels of oil is now facing deep questions on both sides…………….

…….. Statements after the meeting made clear that deep differences remain on several of these points, with the two sides agreeing to disagree and a U.S. official characterizing the encounter as the start of a discussion rather than a venue for solutions.

But the two leaders glossed over some of the thorniest matters, including a Saudi threat to dump U.S. assets if Obama signs into law a bill that could make the kingdom liable for damages stemming from the September 11 terror attacks.
There is going to have to be "a recalibration of our relationship with America," former Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Turki Al-Faisal told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "How far we can go with our dependence on America, how much can we rely on steadfastness from American leadership, what is it that makes for our joint benefits to come together," Turki said in a significant departure from usual Saudi rhetoric. "These are things that we have to recalibrate."

These are the folks who very well may be responsible for the 3000 murders at the WTC and Pentagon………………Just who the hell do they think they are to snub the President of the United States………….

And in actuality……..


SNUBS THE USA AND ALL OF US…………..
 

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White House: Obama 'cleared the air' with Saudi Arabia - CNNPolitics.com



Saudis Snub Obama On Riyadh Arrival Amid Growing Tensions


(CNN) “President Barack Obama received a chilly reception from Saudi Arabia's leaders as he landed in Riyadh Wednesday, a clear sign of the cooling relations between once-close allies amid regional upheaval and dropping oil prices. ……..

………. When Obama touched down in Riyadh shortly after 1 p.m. local time, there were no kisses with the kingdom's ruler as President George W. Bush once exchanged. The Saudi government dispatched the governor of Riyadh rather than a senior-level royal to shake Obama's hand, a departure from the scene at the airport earlier in the day when King Salman was shown on state television greeting the leaders of other Gulf nations on the tarmac.

Social media users quickly termed the reception, which was not carried live on state TV, a snub and a sign that a relationship long lubricated by barrels of oil is now facing deep questions on both sides…………….

…….. Statements after the meeting made clear that deep differences remain on several of these points, with the two sides agreeing to disagree and a U.S. official characterizing the encounter as the start of a discussion rather than a venue for solutions.

But the two leaders glossed over some of the thorniest matters, including a Saudi threat to dump U.S. assets if Obama signs into law a bill that could make the kingdom liable for damages stemming from the September 11 terror attacks.
There is going to have to be "a recalibration of our relationship with America," former Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Turki Al-Faisal told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "How far we can go with our dependence on America, how much can we rely on steadfastness from American leadership, what is it that makes for our joint benefits to come together," Turki said in a significant departure from usual Saudi rhetoric. "These are things that we have to recalibrate."

These are the folks who very well may be responsible for the 3000 murders at the WTC and Pentagon………………Just who the hell do they think they are to snub the President of the United States………….

And in actuality……..


SNUBS THE USA AND ALL OF US…………..


I do hope President Obama is shown proper respect when he arrives in Britain to tell the people how to vote in the EU referendum. They should be very grateful that he is prepared to lower himself almost to their level.
 

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Finally, the US is starting to recognize that ISIS is just another name for Wahhabism.


A wonderful side benefit from the Iran deal is the Saudi's keeping their oil prices low so Iran won't benefit from high oil prices. I certainly don't mind seeing the Saudi's economy suffer one bit.


May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the Saudi's armpits.
 

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White House: Obama 'cleared the air' with Saudi Arabia - CNNPolitics.com

Saudis Snub Obama On Riyadh Arrival Amid Growing Tensions

(CNN) “President Barack Obama received a chilly reception from Saudi Arabia's leaders as he landed in Riyadh Wednesday, a clear sign of the cooling relations between once-close allies amid regional upheaval and dropping oil prices. ……..
………. When Obama touched down in Riyadh shortly after 1 p.m. local time, there were no kisses with the kingdom's ruler as President George W. Bush once exchanged. The Saudi government dispatched the governor of Riyadh rather than a senior-level royal to shake Obama's hand, a departure from the scene at the airport earlier in the day when King Salman was shown on state television greeting the leaders of other Gulf nations on the tarmac.

Social media users quickly termed the reception, which was not carried live on state TV, a snub and a sign that a relationship long lubricated by barrels of oil is now facing deep questions on both sides…………….

…….. Statements after the meeting made clear that deep differences remain on several of these points, with the two sides agreeing to disagree and a U.S. official characterizing the encounter as the start of a discussion rather than a venue for solutions.

But the two leaders glossed over some of the thorniest matters, including a Saudi threat to dump U.S. assets if Obama signs into law a bill that could make the kingdom liable for damages stemming from the September 11 terror attacks.
There is going to have to be "a recalibration of our relationship with America," former Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Turki Al-Faisal told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "How far we can go with our dependence on America, how much can we rely on steadfastness from American leadership, what is it that makes for our joint benefits to come together," Turki said in a significant departure from usual Saudi rhetoric. "These are things that we have to recalibrate."

These are the folks who very well may be responsible for the 3000 murders at the WTC and Pentagon………………Just who the hell do they think they are to snub the President of the United States………….

And in actuality……..


SNUBS THE USA AND ALL OF US…………..

It's so wonderful that we are respected again in the world. :roll:
 

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It's so wonderful that we are respected again in the world. :roll:
The Sauds are so used to taking Americans for a ride that they just don't know what to do. They probably wish for fellow OILMAN Dubya to be back in office so that they can get first class plane tickets out of our country whenever there are terror sponsored attacks on our soil. Those were the days... :roll:
 

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The Sauds are so used to taking Americans for a ride that they just don't know what to do. They probably wish for fellow OILMAN Dubya to be back in office so that they can get first class plane tickets out of our country whenever there are terror sponsored attacks on our soil. Those were the days... :roll:

They certainly were. Home boy Bin Laden was safe in his nest in Pakistan, oil was $150 a barrel and U.S troops were dying daily in Iraq. Life was good.
 

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It's so wonderful that we are respected again in the world. :roll:

If you're concerned about the respect of a bunch of fundamentalist, terrorist-supporting, human rights abusing petro-crats then your values system is way up the woo-waa. Obama will have earned more respect from the world for starting to wind-up the dysfunctional US-Saudi axis than from virtually anything else he's done FP-wise in his presidency. You talk about respect in the world, but are clearly clueless to the fact that Obama is probably way more popular around the world than the US is itself. "Nice president, shame about the country" might not be an inaccurate description of how things stand.
 

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President Raul Castro snubs President Barack H Obama, and now King Salman? I'm sure both had something more pressing to do than great the President of the USA coming for a historic visit. After all, when was the last time a President visited Cuba? Maybe King Salman had a golf tee time he couldn't move.
 

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Time to dump Saudi Arabia as an ally. They are nothing but trouble.
 

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If you're concerned about the respect of a bunch of fundamentalist, terrorist-supporting, human rights abusing petro-crats then your values system is way up the woo-waa.

If you think that saying bad things about critical regional powers means that they are of less import, then your ability to exercise rationality is down the hoo-hah.

Obama will have earned more respect from the world for starting to wind-up the dysfunctional US-Saudi axis than from virtually anything else he's done FP-wise in his presidency. You talk about respect in the world, but are clearly clueless to the fact that Obama is probably way more popular around the world than the US is itself. "Nice president, shame about the country" might not be an inaccurate description of how things stand.

:shrug: you are incorrect. Among our allies and our foes both, we are less respected as a result of this administration. But it's a common European misconception to confuse "Western Europe" with "the world" when speaking about its opinion of the United States.
 

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It's so wonderful that we are respected again in the world. :roll:

Do you know what is going on in the Middle East? Or the complicated political problems which exist..........

Of course not, or you wouldn't have let that silliness drool out of your mouth........

You might be better off if you first knew what you were talking about before you run your mouth...........
 

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Do you know what is going on in the Middle East? Or the complicated political problems which exist..........

Of course not, or you wouldn't have let that silliness drool out of your mouth........

You might be better off if you first knew what you were talking about before you run your mouth...........

:lamo

:) You might be better off if you stopped to check who it was you were trying to ad hom. Knowing what is going on in the Middle East (and elsewhere) is literally my job ;)
 

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Perhaps some here don't understand the difference between the rulers in the Saudi Kingdom, those who are great friends of America and western interests in the Middle East, and those who are distant and/or related to the royal family and others who are causing problems for the Saudi rulers and may have been involved in terrorist attacks, including 9/11.

Foreign policy and foreign relationships can be messy business adventures - America can see that, hopefully, in what has taken place in Egypt, Yemen, Libya and other places since the beginning of the Obama administration. One can argue with the Bush foreign policy, but there's no doubt that America was both feared and respected in that part of the world while GW was in office. It will be interesting to see if the next President can rebuild from America's damaged reputation in the region.
 

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:) You might be better off if you stopped to check who it was you were trying to ad hom. Knowing what is going on in the Middle East (and elsewhere) is literally my job ;)


Oh Gee.....is that a threat?


To question I one has any knowledge of the subject is a personal attack? Or commenting on a lack of knowledge of the subject......a personal attack.......

Do you know the difference between a personal attack and embarrassment?

This deserves no further comment by me.................Do have a nice life.......
 

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If you think that saying bad things about critical regional powers means that they are of less import, then your ability to exercise rationality is down the hoo-hah.



:shrug: you are incorrect. Among our allies and our foes both, we are less respected as a result of this administration. But it's a common European misconception to confuse "Western Europe" with "the world" when speaking about its opinion of the United States.

Don't you include Western Europe as a huge part of our alliance? Which allies do you think are more important and respect us less than under GW Bush? Don't you think it is about time that the Saudi's stepped up and took some responsibility for the mess in the M.E.? Or do you think we should just let it slide for another generation because we need their oil?
 
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Oh Gee.....is that a threat?

Nope. Threats on online forums are dumb. Either you can carry it out (in which case you shouldn't put it online), or you can't (in which case you shouldn't put it online).

To question I one has any knowledge of the subject is a personal attack? Or commenting on a lack of knowledge of the subject......a personal attack.......

Do you know the difference between a personal attack and embarrassment?

This deserves no further comment by me.................Do have a nice life.......

My life is awesome. :)

iguanaman said:
Don't you include Western Europe as a huge part of our alliance?

We don't have "an alliance". We have a series of alliances.

It's worth noting, however, that Western Europe, too (Germany, for example) demonstrates reduced trust in and global respect for the United States since we started off on our "Smart Power" kick of Leading From Behind. Italy isn't terribly impressed with the mess we helped make of Libya. Poland (who is Eastern Europe, but a European ally nonetheless) thinks (accurately) that we effectively abandoned them to the Russians in hopes that the Russians would put in a good word for us with the Iranians. Our President is currently making a clown of himself trying to interfere in an internal referendum in Great Britain, which might have similar impact to his attempts to do so in Israel.

Which allies do you think are more important and respect us less than under GW Bush?

Hm. Allies that respect us less...

South Korea.
Japan.
the Philippines.
Saudi Arabia.
Jordan.
Israel.
Poland.
Germany.
Iraq.
Egypt.


Nations that respect us less that aren't allies include:

China.
Russia.
Iran.
Syria.

That's off the top of my head. There are probably plenty of others on both lists that don't spring to mind because I don't follow them in the news as regularly.




Don't you think it is about time that the Saudi's stepped up and took some responsibility for the mess in the M.E.?

:shrug: it's a COA. But if you want to go that route, then you need to accept a significantly larger number of civilian casualties, the likely continued existence of the Islamic State, and a strong possibility of a nuclear arms race in that destabilized hellhole.
 

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Perhaps some here don't understand the difference between the rulers in the Saudi Kingdom, those who are great friends of America and western interests in the Middle East, and those who are distant and/or related to the royal family and others who are causing problems for the Saudi rulers and may have been involved in terrorist attacks, including 9/11.

Foreign policy and foreign relationships can be messy business adventures - America can see that, hopefully, in what has taken place in Egypt, Yemen, Libya and other places since the beginning of the Obama administration. One can argue with the Bush foreign policy, but there's no doubt that America was both feared and respected in that part of the world while GW was in office. It will be interesting to see if the next President can rebuild from America's damaged reputation in the region.

Reagan came back after Carter. It's not impossible.
 

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Seymour Hersh: Saudi Arabia bribed Pakistanis to hide bin Laden so Americans couldn’t question him



“Seymour Hersh: Saudi Arabia bribed Pakistanis to hide bin Laden so Americans couldn’t question him”


“Award-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh talked in a wide-ranging interview with journalist Ken Klipperstein about the complex relationship between the United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which he reported on extensively in his new book, The Killing of Osama Bin Laden.....


…….. Among other things, Hersh said in the exclusive AlterNet interview that the Saudi government bribed Pakistan with “hush money” to hide Osama bin Laden from the U.S. because the Saudis didn’t want the Americans to interrogate him.

“The money was from the government … what the Saudis were doing, so I’ve been told, by reasonable people (I haven’t written this) is that they were also passing along tankers of oil for the Pakistanis to resell. That’s really a lot of money,” Hersh told Klipperstein................

The bribe, in the form of money and tankers of oil, was in the amount of “hundreds of millions [of dollars],” but he didn’t have solid figures to share……….


……. Hersh also shed light on why bin Laden was killed instead of apprehended and interrogated........


“The Pakistani high command said go kill him, but for chrissake don’t leave a body, don’t arrest him, just tell them a week later that you killed him in Hindu Kush. That was the plan,” Hersh said. “Many sections, particularly in the Urdu-speaking sections, were really very positive about Bin Laden. Significant percentages in some areas supported Bin Laden. They [the Pakistani government] would’ve been under great duress if the average person knew that they’d helped us kill him.”



There is a whole lot more about 9/11 and Saudi involvements we do not know……. And very well never know......... But the evidence seems to be pointing their way…….

The Saudis are sure “concerned about the release of the 28 pages in the 9/11 investigation ………. sort of raises the specter guilty IMHO

And so concerned about the bill which would allow law suits to be filed against them so much…………the threaten to sell $750 billion of US assets they control….. And would cause serious negative effects on the world economy as so theirs……. (N.B. Today Saudi Arabia became a debtor nation.)


The Saudis know to see those assets to prevent passage of the bill would seriously damage their economy….. But they seem to believe a bad economy is worth not being sued by families of victims from 9/11……. They sure as hell are worried.............or better said......Scared witless .......


ALSO SEE:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/b...etscould-hurt-but-mostly-the-saudis.html?_r=0
The Killing of Osama Bin Laden: Seymour M. Hersh: 9781784784362: Amazon.com: Books

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Serves the incompetent prick Obama right, but the Saudi's should be honoring the office and honoring the nation that has done so much for them, way more than we probably should have.

Not that I would ever expect the Saudi Royal family to do the right thing mind you.
 
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If any country in the Middle-East is in desperate need of regime change, it is Saudi ****ing Arabia. Bush succeeded in distracting from this with Iraq, and Hillary succeeded in distracting from this with Libya and Syria. Time's run out. The elite are losing.
 

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Remember when Obama bowed to a SA King in 2009? And the right wing fanatics were foaming at the mouth mad about that? They said he was he by bowing he was showing respect to Islam and terrorism. But now that things are icy with SA and there's no bowing, or kissing those same haters will criticize Obama for losing 'respect' on the world stage? With f'ing SA? Respect? lol

The haters will never, ever give the guy credit for anything. It's pointless to even discuss anything with them anymore.
 

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Remember when Obama bowed to a SA King in 2009? And the right wing fanatics were foaming at the mouth mad about that? They said he was he by bowing he was showing respect to Islam and terrorism. But now that things are icy with SA and there's no bowing, or kissing those same haters will criticize Obama for losing 'respect' on the world stage? With f'ing SA? Respect? lol

The haters will never, ever give the guy credit for anything. It's pointless to even discuss anything with them anymore.

Taking your ball and going home surely is not going to help.

The fact is though that Obama has been a foreign policy failure, Syria shows conclusively just how incompetent he is.

We have to deal with reality, we cant let the fact that he is a partly black man get in the way of understanding what is real.
 
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