Sarah Palin vindicated

[trfjr]

That majority of the American public has no clue. That is the root of the problem.

youe right that is why we have Obama for a second term because they have no clue

 

[TiredOfLife]

reciprocity from our side would be to roll back ALL of yer commie meddling of the last fidy years
which would usher in an economic BOOM the likes of which mankind has never seen
alas instead we are going to sink peaceably into a socialist dystopia

The purpose of ObamaCare is Socialized Healthcare in America, This is what we will have, I suppose those that aren't able to afford to pay private providers will look to the government for their healthcare needs. The Proles deserve nothing better.

Ah the Utopia of the right, Unregulated Capitalism, which no one in the world has anything like but they never think to ask why that is? It's always everyone will be so happy paying for everything with all that money they make that it will rain down rainbows and bon-bons while we all watch Jose wax the Bentleys to a gleaming shine. Jose will live under a bridge then but if he just works hard enough all will be well.

 

[TiredOfLife]

youe right that is why we have Obama for a second term because they have no clue

Some of the same people who voted for him want to repeal Obamacare. So which is it, are they stupid or smart?

 

[Captain Adverse]

There are 40,700,000 citizens age 65 and older who are on Medicare.

Obamacare, and it’s funding panel, often referred to as the Death Panel, determines on a case by case basis what Medicare will and will not pay for in terms of surgeries, treatments, and drug regiments. If this panel uses the same criteria as the Internal Revenue Service, the enforcement arm of Obamacare, in reaching those decisions there is nothing preventing the panel from refuse funding based on political party affiliation.

Like Obama said, if you have terminal cancer you had better be prepared to receive only pain killers and attend an end-of-life seminar. If you are elderly, and need a hip transplant, get used to your wheel chair. Someone of working age will get it first.

Obamacare is only an illusion of health care. It is about absolute power. It about politicians making life and death calls. Is it any wonder Congress and their staff want no part of it. When government owns your health, government owns you.

Thomas Jefferson said. “If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.” Hope and change is bringing big time sorry.

Wait, wait, wait! YOU are libertarian-right yet your argument against "Obamacare" is that it will deny medicaid services to retired folks? I thought one of the biggest arguments made by the libertarian-right is against ALL social-welfare programs. Essentially, if you didn't plan ahead for all your own retirement needs, SCREW~YOU! LOL

Yet here you are aguing that a tea-party advocate was "right all along," in her emotional appeal for support from the elderly?? The current primary beneficiaries of the three largest and costliest social welfare programs in government: Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid??? Amazing!

How dare you misquote Jefferson in support of this idea? I don't recall him making any mention of being a big supporter of government sponsored social welfare pragrams. Therefore his statement has NOTHING to do with your point.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

Jose will live under a bridge then but if he just works hard enough all will be well.

no he will illegally 'immigrate' to another country that has handouts paid for by productive citizens? Besides if he's living under a bridge
'he didn't build that'!

What are you lefties whining about isn't the total ruination of the country proceeding fast enough for ya?
whaddya want us to do? Perhaps

I doubt even that would make you happy yer always moaning about something

 

[TiredOfLife]

no he will illegally 'immigrate' to another country that has handouts paid for by productive citizens? Besides if he's living under a bridge
'he didn't build that'!

What are you lefties whining about isn't the total ruination of the country proceeding fast enough for ya?
whaddya want us to do? Perhaps

I doubt even that would make you happy yer always moaning about something

The bridge was built by a private company. You should know that, you'll have to pay three bucks if you want to cross it. It's not public you know, not in Free-Market Utopia. Even Jose pays to be there but it's all he can afford.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

I've long wondered, what is a " libertarian-right " is?

I mean I know a moderate is just a commie that doesn't wanna select socialist but a libertarian,
Is that like someone that is lost and refuses to ask for directions?

 

[Grendel]

it doesn't matter what the pretense the government does it under the results are the same and that is the basic message what Jefferson was implying

What Jefferson was saying, not implying but directly stating, is that the government should have no involvement with religion in any way. I'm glad you agree with him.

Also: The government is only planning to pay for health care, not to prescribe medicine through law, which is what Jefferson was comparing government religion to.

 

[trfjr]

GO FOR IT! It only costs about $2 million to vote in rescinding it ...

you do realize there is a larger percentage that want Obama care repealed then the percentage that voted him back in office

In the CBS News poll, 54% of Americans disapprove of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)

In the Fox News poll, 53% of Americans said they would vote to repeal Obamacare if given the chance

For the NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey 47% responded that the president’s health care plan was a “total bad idea”

 

[TiredOfLife]

I've long wondered, what is a " libertarian-right " is?

I mean I know a moderate is just a commie that doesn't wanna select socialist but a libertarian,
Is that like someone that is lost and refuses to ask for directions?

They don't believe in maps, unless they made it in their own mind.

 

[trfjr]

What Jefferson was saying, not implying but directly stating, is that the government should have no involvement with religion in any way. I'm glad you agree with him.

Also: The government is only planning to pay for health care, not to prescribe medicine through law, which is what Jefferson was comparing government religion to.

“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.”

if he meant religion he would have said religion

and Obama care will be deciding what medicine and treatment would be offered

 

[TiredOfLife]

“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.”

if he meant religion he would have said religion

and Obama care will be deciding what medicine and treatment would be offered

He didn't mean anything. He didn't say it.

snopes.com: Thomas Jefferson on Medicine



Soul Voice of Reason
Claim: Thomas Jefferson warned about the dangers of governmental interference in medical care.

FALSE

Example: [Collected via e-mail, June 2012]

A quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson is being circulated in response to Obama's healthcare law. Is this really him and in what context did he say it?

"If the people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson


Origins: Notes on the State of Virginia was the only full-length book by Thomas Jefferson which was published during his lifetime. Initially finished in 1781 (with additional updates in 1782 and 1783), the book was presented in a format which had Jefferson responding to questions about Virginia which had been posed to him in 1780 by François Barbé-Marbois, the Secretary of the French delegation at Philadelphia. The completed work was first published anonymously in Paris in 1785; the first English edition appeared in London in 1787.

In response to a question about the various religious groups that had made their way into Virginia, Jefferson wrote:

The error seems not sufficiently eradicated, that the operations of the mind, as well as the acts of the body, are subject to the coercion of the laws. But our rulers can have authority over such natural rights only as we have submitted to them. The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. If it be said, his testimony in a court of justice cannot be relied on, reject it then, and be the stigma on him. Constraint may make him worse by making him a hypocrite, but it will never make him a truer man. It may fix him obstinately in his errors, but will not cure them. Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. Give a loose to them, they will support the true religion, by bringing every false one to their tribunal, to the test of their investigation. They are the natural enemies of error, and of error only. Had not the Roman government permitted free enquiry, Christianity could never have been introduced. Had not free enquiry been indulged, at the era of the reformation, the corruptions of Christianity could not have been purged away. If it be restrained now, the present corruptions will be protected, and new ones encouraged. Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as a medicine, and the potatoe as an article of food.


"Since the late 1990s, the sentence highlighted above has been transformed into the statement "If the people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" and proffered as a Founding Father's sagacious warning across the centuries about the dangers of government-run health care. But that isn't what Jefferson wrote, nor is it what he meant. Jefferson wasn't cautioning against the government's meddling with private medical practice and likening it to tyranny; he was suggesting that legislating morality was as futile as legislating what a person might swallow. His larger point was that we are the keepers of our own souls (in the sense of being free to practice whichever religion we choose), and the that state has no more right to govern our souls than it has to govern our bodies (by, for example, choosing our medicines and diets for us)."

 

[trfjr]

Wait, wait, wait! YOU are libertarian-right yet your argument against "Obamacare" is that it will deny medicaid services to retired folks? I thought one of the biggest arguments made by the libertarian-right is against ALL social-welfare programs. Essentially, if you didn't plan ahead for all your own retirement needs, SCREW~YOU! LOL

Yet here you are aguing that a tea-party advocate was "right all along," in her emotional appeal for support from the elderly?? The current primary beneficiaries of the three largest and costliest social welfare programs in government: Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid??? Amazing!

How dare you misquote Jefferson in support of this idea? I don't recall him making any mention of being a big supporter of government sponsored social welfare pragrams. Therefore his statement has NOTHING to do with your point.

because it is not about health care It is about absolute power. It is about politicians making life and death calls.

 

[NoC_T]

Ah the Utopia of the right, Unregulated Capitalism, which no one in the world has anything like but they never think to ask why that is? It's always everyone will be so happy paying for everything with all that money they make that it will rain down rainbows and bon-bons while we all watch Jose wax the Bentleys to a gleaming shine. Jose will live under a bridge then but if he just works hard enough all will be well.

lulz....

 

[TiredOfLife]

because it is not about health care It is about absolute power. It is about politicians making life and death calls.

Well someone has to? They have to be made. Who would you pick? Do you think your insurance company wants to leave it to you?

 

[AngryOldGuy]

For the love of Gawd even an Alaskan bobble-head knows how this train wreck is going to unfold WTF is wrong with you?

They are going to have to destroy the medical insurance industry so they can swoop in and resolve a problem they they created in the first place.
Then put the taxpayer on the hook for everyone's medical care at time that the debt has simply grown beyond a normal persons ability to comprehend.
These things always end up the same, the lil guy takes it up the keister. I wonder why he never seems to tire of that?

 

[trfjr]

He didn't mean anything. He didn't say it.

snopes.com: Thomas Jefferson on Medicine



Soul Voice of Reason
Claim: Thomas Jefferson warned about the dangers of governmental interference in medical care.

FALSE

Example: [Collected via e-mail, June 2012]

A quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson is being circulated in response to Obama's healthcare law. Is this really him and in what context did he say it?

"If the people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson


Origins: Notes on the State of Virginia was the only full-length book by Thomas Jefferson which was published during his lifetime. Initially finished in 1781 (with additional updates in 1782 and 1783), the book was presented in a format which had Jefferson responding to questions about Virginia which had been posed to him in 1780 by François Barbé-Marbois, the Secretary of the French delegation at Philadelphia. The completed work was first published anonymously in Paris in 1785; the first English edition appeared in London in 1787.

In response to a question about the various religious groups that had made their way into Virginia, Jefferson wrote:

The error seems not sufficiently eradicated, that the operations of the mind, as well as the acts of the body, are subject to the coercion of the laws. But our rulers can have authority over such natural rights only as we have submitted to them. The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. If it be said, his testimony in a court of justice cannot be relied on, reject it then, and be the stigma on him. Constraint may make him worse by making him a hypocrite, but it will never make him a truer man. It may fix him obstinately in his errors, but will not cure them. Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. Give a loose to them, they will support the true religion, by bringing every false one to their tribunal, to the test of their investigation. They are the natural enemies of error, and of error only. Had not the Roman government permitted free enquiry, Christianity could never have been introduced. Had not free enquiry been indulged, at the era of the reformation, the corruptions of Christianity could not have been purged away. If it be restrained now, the present corruptions will be protected, and new ones encouraged. Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as a medicine, and the potatoe as an article of food.


"Since the late 1990s, the sentence highlighted above has been transformed into the statement "If the people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny" and proffered as a Founding Father's sagacious warning across the centuries about the dangers of government-run health care. But that isn't what Jefferson wrote, nor is it what he meant. Jefferson wasn't cautioning against the government's meddling with private medical practice and likening it to tyranny; he was suggesting that legislating morality was as futile as legislating what a person might swallow. His larger point was that we are the keepers of our own souls (in the sense of being free to practice whichever religion we choose), and the that state has no more right to govern our souls than it has to govern our bodies (by, for example, choosing our medicines and diets for us)."

snopes is a left wing rag

A Google search revealed that Snopes.com is owned by David and Barbara Mikkelson, who live in Southern California and are Obama supporters. An interested reader (unknown to me) suspected that Snopes had a liberal bias after discovering several "half-truths" and distortions.


Compare their analysis of the Obama/Ayers connection with truthorfiction.com's analysis of the same subject. Snopes minimizes the connection, categorizing the rumor as a "Partial Truth," while truthorfiction calls it a "Truth" and, in fact, references a CNN expose of the two, as well as a Wall Street Journal article about their connection. Snopes not only does not reference either source cited above, but instead, lists a quote from an Obama spokesman as its main source.

snopes.com: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers

Barack Obama and William Ayers-Truth!

Another comparison of Snopes vs. Truthorfiction is their treatment of the email regarding "Obama's 50 lies." Snopes adds editorial comments favoring Obama on unproven statements or even on proven ones where the comments are that he is "taken out of context."

snopes.com: Obama's 50 Lies / Obama Not Exactly

Obama Lies?-Truth!, Fiction!, and Unproven!

There are other things that they list as false, even though Youtube has videos of Obama or others actually making the statements.

Seems Snopes has a liberal agenda and TruthOrFiction.com-Is that forwarded email Truth or Fiction? Research into stories, scams, hoaxes, myths, and urban legends on the Internet
might be a better, unbiased source.

so what you are reading is a biased interpretation of Jefferson quote by looking at it in a very narrow context if it is bad for religion to tell you what to eat and what medicine to take then so it would hold true for government

 

[Mycroft]

the occasional frothing at the mouth of some Dems is only among some horny guys ... frothing? We loves the Palin ... Are you kidding? If she decided to run for prez, I would back her in a sec ... and so would the DNC ... RUN SARAH RUN!!!!!!!

LOL!!

From what I've seen, then, there must be some liberal women horny for Sarah, too. tererun? Is that what the deal is? You horny for Sarah like windowdressing says?

 

[TiredOfLife]

snopes is a left wing rag

A Google search revealed that Snopes.com is owned by David and Barbara Mikkelson, who live in Southern California and are Obama supporters. An interested reader (unknown to me) suspected that Snopes had a liberal bias after discovering several "half-truths" and distortions.


Compare their analysis of the Obama/Ayers connection with truthorfiction.com's analysis of the same subject. Snopes minimizes the connection, categorizing the rumor as a "Partial Truth," while truthorfiction calls it a "Truth" and, in fact, references a CNN expose of the two, as well as a Wall Street Journal article about their connection. Snopes not only does not reference either source cited above, but instead, lists a quote from an Obama spokesman as its main source.

snopes.com: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers

Barack Obama and William Ayers-Truth!

Another comparison of Snopes vs. Truthorfiction is their treatment of the email regarding "Obama's 50 lies." Snopes adds editorial comments favoring Obama on unproven statements or even on proven ones where the comments are that he is "taken out of context."

snopes.com: Obama's 50 Lies / Obama Not Exactly

Obama Lies?-Truth!, Fiction!, and Unproven!

There are other things that they list as false, even though Youtube has videos of Obama or others actually making the statements.

Seems Snopes has a liberal agenda and TruthOrFiction.com-Is that forwarded email Truth or Fiction? Research into stories, scams, hoaxes, myths, and urban legends on the Internet
might be a better, unbiased source.

Fighting the Source, not the Facts, is a fallacy. Sorry.

 

[windowdressing]

you do realize there is a larger percentage that want Obama care repealed then the percentage that voted him back in office

In the CBS News poll, 54% of Americans disapprove of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)

In the Fox News poll, 53% of Americans said they would vote to repeal Obamacare if given the chance

For the NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey 47% responded that the president’s health care plan was a “total bad idea”

I'm not a Dem, but any Dem that says that the GOP has not done an excellent job in shaping public opinion against ACA has not been paying attention ... let's see whether those numbers are the same a year from now ... let's meet here on 8/11/2014 at 5:42 PM EST ...

 

[windowdressing]

LOL!!

From what I've seen, then, there must be some liberal women horny for Sarah, too. tererun? Is that what the deal is? You horny for Sarah like windowdressing says?

I doubt she appeals to lesbians ... but who knows ... I do know that Sarah has been a godsend to Dems ...

 

[TiredOfLife]

I doubt she appeals to lesbians ... but who knows ... I do know that Sarah has been a godsend to Dems ...

She got us one election win, we owe her that, and her supporters got us a second one. If Jerry Falwell could be pointed to as the start of the downfall of the GOP, Sarah could be a good icon for the end of it.

 

[windowdressing]

She got us one election win, we owe her that, and her supporters got us a second one. If Jerry Falwell could be pointed to as the start of the downfall of the GOP, Sarah could be a good icon for the end of it.

I love the woman ... and I especially love her for fleecing cons the way she has ... SHOW ME DA MONEY! Sarah says ...

 

[TiredOfLife]

I love the woman ... and I especially love her for fleecing cons the way she has ... SHOW ME DA MONEY! Sarah says ...

She a Patriot for a Price. Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

 

[Grendel]

“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.”

if he meant religion he would have said religion

HE DID. I gave you the full context. You completely ignored it. WTF?

snopes is a left wing rag

[ . . . ]

so what you are reading is a biased interpretation of Jefferson quote by looking at it in a very narrow context

I gave you the FULL ENTIRE CONTEXT and you completely ignored it, so why are you now complaining about the lack of context?

Here is the FULL DOCUMENT he wrote that contains that (mis)quote you keep relying on: Amendment I (Religion): Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 17, 157--61

He's saying that the government should have NO INVOLVEMENT with religion. He's comparing it with the government prescribing medication, which Obamacare does not do. Do you ignore every piece of information that proves your confused ideas are wrong?