Sandy hook lawsuit: Judge rules against gun companies [W:435]

[TurtleDude]

Re: Sandy hook lawsuit: Judge rules against gun companies

Technically nobody is infringing on the 2nd with this case, it's just a civil lawsuit between the public and a private company. Even if the parents win, it can't really be used as precedent to go after assault rifles in general. All it could really hope to accomplish, apart from reparations, is making the company reconsider its own consumer policy.

It could create precedent for other gun manufacturers to be sued in the future though.

Wouldn't it be ironic if America's own tort system is what determines the fate of gun control instead of the government? Hard to get certain guns if a company won't sell them to you because they're too afraid of being sued.

actually for this to happen, the court would have to rule that the weapon has no valid civilian use which would violate the second amendment. The courts need to do to these plaintiffs what other courts have done to similar plaintiffs-make them pay the litigation costs of the defendants. you put a few plaintiffs and their slimy attorneys in Chapter 7, it will send the message to the other scumbags that lawful gun makers are not legitimate targets as long as they followed the laws governing the sales of wholesale firearms to retailers

 

[Northern Light]

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And it could create a precedent for civil suits against alcohol producers for drunk drivers, people who lose their jobs because they can't stay sober, etc. It could open up casinos to suits by the "victims" of compulsive gambling. It could open up cities to suits from pedestrians who get creamed while crossing between crosswalks because the city should have known that some idiot would try it and have done the responsible thing by creating pedestrian cages to keep people on the sidewalk.

I doubt there's risk of such a drastic slippery slope. I'm pro-2nd but we're talking about a nutto who bought an assault rifle and used it to gun down a bunch of kids. It's not like the parents have no case.

 

[TurtleDude]

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I doubt there's risk of such a drastic slippery slope. I'm pro-2nd but we're talking about a nutto who bought an assault rifle and used it to gun down a bunch of kids. It's not like the parents have no case.

you are not being truthful. a woman bought the rifle after passing a background check and waiting period and the gun was registered. There was nothing about her buying the gun that would or could have alerted the MAKER of the rifle in another state. Her nutso son KILLED HER and took her rifle and then committed murder The parents have no case. They need to be fined to cover the cost of the innocent maker

 

[chromium]

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I don't see how anyone can claim that sodomy is a constitutionally protected right but owning and bearing arms is not

why don't you just admit you like it when little kids are murdered by fellow gun nuts

 

[OpportunityCost]

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Intent. Its going to be incredibly hard to show all three, the manufacturer, distributor and seller could, should, or would know that the intent was to commit a crime.

How the judge ignored intent is beyond me. Motion to dismiss should have been granted. Foreseeable? Yes. Intended? No.

 

[TurtleDude]

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why don't you just admit you like it when little kids are murdered by fellow gun nuts

that's too moronic a comment to give a pass to. Why don't you just admit that you want to bash gun rights because you think those of us who actually respect the second amendment are somehow hostile to the gay agenda?

BTW AIDS in the USA has killed far more people than lawful gun owners have over the last 45 years. and unlike gay rights the second amendment specifically prevents government infringement on the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms and with the 14th amendment, that applies to the states.

 

[Tigerace117]

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This will end up before the Supreme Court. I wonder how they will rule

Well this is kinda dumb. I don't know how the gun companies are supposed to be able to control who does what with their weapons.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Intent. Its going to be incredibly hard to show all three, the manufacturer, distributor and seller could, should, or would know that the intent was to commit a crime.

How the judge ignored intent is beyond me. Motion to dismiss should have been granted. Foreseeable? Yes. Intended? No.

actually its not foreseeable given the person who bought the rifle LEGALLY had NO record whatsoever. what this idiot judge is basically saying that its a question of FACT whether the rifle is unsuitable for civilian use which is plain error. Its going to be hard for any court to deal with the fact that our own federal government has sold over a million similar weapons to us civilians over the last 50 years. and those AR 15 rifles are found in the armory of almost every CIVILIAN law enforcement agency for SELF DEFENSE OF CIVILIANS BY CIVILIANS AGAINST CRIMINAL CIVILIANS

 

[TurtleDude]

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Well this is kinda dumb. I don't know how the gun companies are supposed to be able to control who does what with their weapons.

or better yet, how they can control someone being murdered by someone that was never the buyer of the gun. Lanza did not buy the gun. It was his mother and how the hell was Bushmaster to know that Mrs Lanza had a nutso son. that isn't asked on the FEDERAL FORM. what the turds doing the suing are claiming is that gun should not be allowed to be sold to ANY CIVILIAN but since it is they are trying to backdoor a ban into the law

 

[OpportunityCost]

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actually its not foreseeable given the person who bought the rifle LEGALLY had NO record whatsoever. what this idiot judge is basically saying that its a question of FACT whether the rifle is unsuitable for civilian use which is plain error. Its going to be hard for any court to deal with the fact that our own federal government has sold over a million similar weapons to us civilians over the last 50 years. and those AR 15 rifles are found in the armory of almost every CIVILIAN law enforcement agency for SELF DEFENSE OF CIVILIANS BY CIVILIANS AGAINST CRIMINAL CIVILIANS

Well, TD, you can make a case that no matter who buys the thing that a crime with it is foreseeable. But the same can be said of cars, alcohol, and any shop tool lol.

 

[Lutherf]

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I doubt there's risk of such a drastic slippery slope. I'm pro-2nd but we're talking about a nutto who bought an assault rifle and used it to gun down a bunch of kids. It's not like the parents have no case.

The parents have no case. The firearm used was legally obtained by Lanza's mother then illegally obtained by Adam (he stole it after murdering his mother).

The premise of this argument is that the manufacturer of a firearm should have some kind of expectation that it will be used in a crime. That's absurd. Should such a standard be applied to anything one would have to assume that the hands and feet of an individual should be expected to be used in a homicide, that a penis should be expected to be used in a rape, that the vagina of a school teacher should be expected to be used in a rape, etc, etc. That this judge decided that such a complaint was valid enough to warrant a hearing is frightening and she should be disbarred.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Well, TD, you can make a case that no matter who buys the thing that a crime with it is foreseeable. But the same can be said of cars, alcohol, and any shop tool lol.

same with condoms, KY jelly, etc. the fact is this judge needs to be destroyed politically and the plaintiffs and their attorneys need to be hit with millions upon millions of dollars in sanctions

 

[Sherman123]

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This will end up before the Supreme Court. I wonder how they will rule

This will be dismissed. One way or another it will be dismissed and probably long before it gets to the Supreme Court. The case law and legislation on this is abundantly clear.

 

[chromium]

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that's too moronic a comment to give a pass to. Why don't you just admit that you want to bash gun rights because you think those of us who actually respect the second amendment are somehow hostile to the gay agenda?

BTW AIDS in the USA has killed far more people than lawful gun owners have over the last 45 years. and unlike gay rights the second amendment specifically prevents government infringement on the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms and with the 14th amendment, that applies to the states.

i don't have AIDS and i live in a city that has had gay rights since before i was born, so i've no reason to take offense to any of your hate speech. Also lawrence v texas overturned bans on lesbian relationships in several states. Guess how many people have been killed by lesbian sex? Oh yeah, FEWER THAN GUNS. Guess how many die per year from AIDS currently? FEWER THAN GUNS. It is no longer a deadly disease with proper treatment, got it?

you'll have to try a lot harder to troll me

 

[TurtleDude]

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This will be dismissed. One way or another it will be dismissed and probably long before it gets to the Supreme Court. The case law and legislation on this is abundantly clear.

the two main issues will be

how much the plaintiffs are forced to rightfully compensate the defendants for this bogus lawsuit

how much abuse will the idiot judge be subjected to by legal commentators, the public and most importantly, the appellate courts?

 

[Tigerace117]

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or better yet, how they can control someone being murdered by someone that was never the buyer of the gun. Lanza did not buy the gun. It was his mother and how the hell was Bushmaster to know that Mrs Lanza had a nutso son. that isn't asked on the FEDERAL FORM. what the turds doing the suing are claiming is that gun should not be allowed to be sold to ANY CIVILIAN but since it is they are trying to backdoor a ban into the law

I mean, I understand their grief, but at the same time I don't know why they'd sue the gun company instead of just healing and moving on.

 

[TurtleDude]

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i don't have AIDS and i live in a city that has had gay rights since before i was born, so i've no reason to take offense to any of your hate speech. Also lawrence v texas overturned bans on lesbian relationships in several states. Guess how many people have been killed by lesbian sex? Oh yeah, FEWER THAN GUNS. Guess how many die per year from AIDS currently? FEWER THAN GUNS. It is no longer a deadly disease with proper treatment, got it?

you'll have to try a lot harder to troll me

guns haven't killed many if any people either. I didn't know you were a female. most gunshot deaths involve those already prohibited from owning guns or are self inflicted as a matter of CHOICE. BTW rather than engaging in more hysterical hatred of gun ownership, why don't you try to actually make an argument why a gun maker-who sells a product that has been legally available for 50 years and is rarely used in crime, ought to be liable when someone who passes those background checks all you gun haters love, and registers her gun as you gun haters desire, and then she is MURDERED and her weapon stolen--how that makes the gun maker or the dealer or distributor liable

are you arguing that weapons that are used in less than 1% of gun crimes but are extremely popular for say the National Service rifle matches and varmint hunting, have no legitimate use by civilians?

 

[chromium]

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same with condoms, KY jelly, etc. the fact is this judge needs to be destroyed politically and the plaintiffs and their attorneys need to be hit with millions upon millions of dollars in sanctions

this is what i mean by you rejoice at seeing kids killed. These are merely grieving parents. You would do the same goddamn thing if it were your kid, but you can't even step aside your zealous pet hobby long enough to show some basic humanity. This is why rational people hate gun nuts. There is truly nothing too extreme for you and it ends up detrimental to your 'cause'

 

[TurtleDude]

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I mean, I understand their grief, but at the same time I don't know why they'd sue the gun company instead of just healing and moving on.

most likely-greedy attorneys and anti gun activists are using them as useful fools. Nonetheless they must be made an example of as was that asshole who sued over the Aurora shootings (and is now losing his home when the court imposed a 200,000 dollar penalty against him for a bogus lawsuit)

 

[TurtleDude]

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this is what i mean by you rejoice at seeing kids killed. These are merely grieving parents. You would do the same goddamn thing if it were your kid, but you can't even step aside your zealous pet hobby long enough to show some basic humanity. This is why rational people hate gun nuts. There is truly nothing too extreme for you and it ends up detrimental to your 'cause'

stop the nonsense. My Godfather's son committed suicide with a shotgun. My GF didn't sue anyone.

rational people don't hate guns, Psychotic people hate an object. Dishonest psychotic people hate gun owners because they don't like our politics.

why don't you try to make a rational argument for allowing this suit rather than bashing gun ownership because you perceive gun owners as being hostile towards your lifestyle

 

[chromium]

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guns haven't killed many if any people either. I didn't know you were a female. most gunshot deaths involve those already prohibited from owning guns or are self inflicted as a matter of CHOICE. BTW rather than engaging in more hysterical hatred of gun ownership, why don't you try to actually make an argument why a gun maker-who sells a product that has been legally available for 50 years and is rarely used in crime, ought to be liable when someone who passes those background checks all you gun haters love, and registers her gun as you gun haters desire, and then she is MURDERED and her weapon stolen--how that makes the gun maker or the dealer or distributor liable

are you arguing that weapons that are used in less than 1% of gun crimes but are extremely popular for say the National Service rifle matches and varmint hunting, have no legitimate use by civilians?

precisely because a background check is only worth what it can prevent. The gun was easily stolen, therefore the BC failed to deter the murder of 20 kids. NO ONE should be allowed weapons of this nature either, because no one can be trusted with them and they are unnecessary for self defense to say the least. In fact, their sole use that other means of self defense can't accomplish is to slaughter innocents

 

[TurtleDude]

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precisely because a background check is only worth what it can prevent. The gun was easily stolen, therefore the BC failed to deter the murder of 20 kids. NO ONE should be allowed weapons of this nature either, because no one can be trusted with them and they are unnecessary for self defense to say the least. In fact, their sole use that other means of self defense can't accomplish is to slaughter innocents

How is the gun maker responsible for whether the owner safeguarded it? Get a clue-if someone is willing to KILL HIS OWN MOTHER to get a gun not much is going to deter him.

How is the maker supposed to guarantee what you want? that's the duty of the government isn't it.

your last sentence is psychobabble BTW and makes no sense whatsoever

 

[Removable Mind]

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This will end up before the Supreme Court. I wonder how they will rule

Different trigger housing.

 

[Deuce]

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I think people need to remember here that this case hasn't actually been decided. This wasn't a decision against gun companies. The judge merely declined a motion to dismiss.

 

[chromium]

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most likely-greedy attorneys and anti gun activists are using them as useful fools. Nonetheless they must be made an example of as was that asshole who sued over the Aurora shootings (and is now losing his home when the court imposed a 200,000 dollar penalty against him for a bogus lawsuit)

You got...well attempted to get far more personal than i have and are continuing as you do in every thread totally unrelated to guns that you troll me in. So YOU stop the nonsense