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This will end up before the Supreme Court. I wonder how they will rule

SANDY HOOK LAWSUIT: JUDGE RULES AGAINST GUN COMPANIES

In a major blow to gun companies, a judge in Connecticut on Thursday denied a motion to dismiss a lawsuit brought by 10 families affected by the December 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School against the maker of the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle used in the shooting.

The three gun companies named in the case had argued for the lawsuit to be dismissed under the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), or PLCAA for short. It’s a 2005 federal law that provides gun businesses general immunity from civil lawsuits. Connecticut State Judge Barbara Bellis rejected the gun companies’ motion.

The families are suing the maker, distributor and seller of the rifle, which the gunman used to kill 20 first-graders and six educators in Newtown, Connecticut, in less than five minutes on December 14, 2012. They argue the rifle shouldn’t have been entrusted to the general public because it is a military-style assault weapon that is unsuited for civilian use. They say the gun companies knew—or should have known—about the high risks posed by the weapon, including the ability for a shooter to use it to inflict maximum casualties and serious injury.
 

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Wow, talk about a dangerous slippy slope. I hope she realizes she's a retard, because she's a gold medal winner.
 

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the judge is an idiot... as are those suing the gun manufacturer, distributor, and seller.... utter morons.

the judge might not have dismissed the case, but it's going to be incredibly difficult ot win this one,.. impossible if the courts rule based on pertinent laws.
 

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I do not see how this case has merit.
 

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I guess the judge didn't read the part about the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

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good, down with the NRA and their child murdering ways!

i don't see how anyone can be against abortion and support this "right" to easily massacre 20 children btw
 

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Re: Sandy hook lawsuit: Judge rules against gun companies

Technically nobody is infringing on the 2nd with this case, it's just a civil lawsuit between the public and a private company. Even if the parents win, it can't really be used as precedent to go after assault rifles in general. All it could really hope to accomplish, apart from reparations, is making the company reconsider its own consumer policy.

It could create precedent for other gun manufacturers to be sued in the future though.

Wouldn't it be ironic if America's own tort system is what determines the fate of gun control instead of the government? Hard to get certain guns if a company won't sell them to you because they're too afraid of being sued.
 

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Re: Sandy hook lawsuit: Judge rules against gun companies

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I guess the judge didn't read the part about the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not getting it. What has this to do with the 2nd Amendment?
 

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Not getting it. What has this to do with the 2nd Amendment?

If you can sue gun manufacturers whenever you claim victimhood of gun violence you can attempt to cut the ability of common citizens to purchase and own guns off at it source.

Enough law suits and gun manufacturers might shy away from civilian markets and concentrate on military and police sales.

That's the hope of gun control advocates anyway.
 
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Re: Sandy hook lawsuit: Judge rules against gun companies

Technically nobody is infringing on the 2nd with this case, it's just a civil lawsuit between the public and a private company. Even if the parents win, it can't really be used as precedent to go after assault rifles in general. All it could really hope to accomplish, apart from reparations, is making the company reconsider its own consumer policy.

It could create precedent for other gun manufacturers to be sued in the future though.

Wouldn't it be ironic if America's own tort system is what determines the fate of gun control instead of the government? Hard to get certain guns if a company won't sell them to you because they're too afraid of being sued.

I wonder how certain people will try to frame this as a 2nd ammendment issue?
 

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If you can sue gun manufacturers whenever you feel the victim of gun violence you can attempt to cut the ability to own guns off at it source.

So you would deny citizens the right to seek redress through the courts because it might mean you cannot buy an AR15...smart.
 

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Wow, talk about a dangerous slippy slope. I hope she realizes she's a retard, because she's a gold medal winner.

Let's see three logical fallacies in two short sentences. Are you shooting for a record?
 

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Let's see three logical fallacies in two short sentences. Are you shooting for a record?

Stupid ideas like allowing lawsuits towards companies for misuse of their products creates a slippy slope where people can sue simply because a product was used in a crime. That is not a door we want to open and this idiotic judge and other idiots like Hillary Clinton are trying to open it.
 

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So you would deny citizens the right to seek redress through the courts because it might mean you cannot buy an AR15...smart.

Yes, I would deny them the ability to sue if their lawsuit involves suing a company for misuse of their products.
 

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So you would deny citizens the right to seek redress through the courts because it might mean you cannot buy an AR15...smart.

And you would seek to deny citizens the right to keep and bear arms?

If you were run over by a Camaro would you sue Chevrolet?
 

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Re: Sandy hook lawsuit: Judge rules against gun companies

Technically nobody is infringing on the 2nd with this case, it's just a civil lawsuit between the public and a private company. Even if the parents win, it can't really be used as precedent to go after assault rifles in general. All it could really hope to accomplish, apart from reparations, is making the company reconsider its own consumer policy.

It could create precedent for other gun manufacturers to be sued in the future though.

Wouldn't it be ironic if America's own tort system is what determines the fate of gun control instead of the government? Hard to get certain guns if a company won't sell them to you because they're too afraid of being sued.

And it could create a precedent for civil suits against alcohol producers for drunk drivers, people who lose their jobs because they can't stay sober, etc. It could open up casinos to suits by the "victims" of compulsive gambling. It could open up cities to suits from pedestrians who get creamed while crossing between crosswalks because the city should have known that some idiot would try it and have done the responsible thing by creating pedestrian cages to keep people on the sidewalk.

This suit is pure lunacy and the only thing more absurd than the suit is that some judge both heard it and then ruled for the complainant.

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I just read the thing and she just agreed to hear the case. It's a long, long way from going to the Supreme Court but, frankly, it's ridiculous that it's even getting heard.
 
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I wonder how certain people will try to frame this as a 2nd ammendment issue?

So tell me, why is it that everyone that supports this position is pro-gun control?
 
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good, down with the NRA and their child murdering ways!

i don't see how anyone can be against abortion and support this "right" to easily massacre 20 children btw


Do you also feel the same way when it comes to other products that a person may use to harm others? Or is it only gun manufacturers? Should Ford Motor Company be liable if someone kills someone by intentionally running someone over? How about drunk drivers that kill someone, should beer/liquor/wine manufacturers be liable? I mean the list is literally endless...
 

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So you would deny citizens the right to seek redress through the courts because it might mean you cannot buy an AR15...smart.

They shouldn't be denied any rights, but the situation should be that when they went to an attorney, the attorney would tell them to forget it because there is no chance of succeeding. But, anything goes with our courts today. Spilled hot coffee on yourself? Sue the corporation that you asked to give you a hot coffee, they forgot to figure out that you would spill it.

The courts are now full of hack judges that are happy to let litigation be used to enrich lawyers.
 

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They shouldn't be denied any rights, but the situation should be that when they went to an attorney, the attorney would tell them to forget it because there is no chance of succeeding. But, anything goes with our courts today. Spilled hot coffee on yourself? Sue the corporation that you asked to give you a hot coffee, they forgot to figure out that you would spill it.

The courts are now full of hack judges that are happy to let litigation be used to enrich lawyers.

The pen is mightier than the sword.
 

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Not getting it. What has this to do with the 2nd Amendment?

It is attempt to circumvent a pro second amendment congress by suing gun makers. This suit has no merit. By not granting the dismissal motion the judge wants the gun company to spend millions winning at trial. The idea being, finance enough lawsuits that gun makers have to raise prices or go out of business. Thus constricting supply and accomplishing de facto control
 

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This will end up before the Supreme Court. I wonder how they will rule

Rogue judge going against settled law.this should not even be in state court. since the US GOVERNMENT SOLD OVER ONE MILLION M1 CARBINES TO THE PUBLIC (semi auto rifles firing an intermediate cartridge from 15-30 round magazines) its going to be hard for the greedy plaintiffs' attorneys to claim that the AR 15 rifle is "unsuitable for civilian use".

given less than ONE PERCENT of the murders committed in the last 50 years have involved such rifles, the Plaintiffs need to be bankrupted by punitive sanctions handed out by the courts
 

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Re: Sandy hook lawsuit: Judge rules against gun companies

good, down with the NRA and their child murdering ways!

i don't see how anyone can be against abortion and support this "right" to easily massacre 20 children btw

I don't see how anyone can claim that sodomy is a constitutionally protected right but owning and bearing arms is not
 
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