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Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control


Is it true that most, if not all of the last 5, or 6 or 7 mass murders were in gun-free zones?

Maybe the first step is to change our laws so that anyone who votes for a gun-free zone or causes one to be put in place becomes personally liable for the murders that take place there. Now, I know that my first step is not as sexy as increasing my taxes, but what the heck?

Then as a second step let us make everyone who is allowed to vote also purchase, train monthly with, and carry a concealed weapon.

I suspect there would be no more mass murders.
 
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TurtleDude said:
YOur posts demonstrate a rather frightening level of ignorance on the issue. why is it that progressives are so clueless about gun issues so often?
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And why may I ask do you not refudiate me appropriately if you are so well versed in this issue? From reading this thread I have to reason except perhaps for a reference to an arms and munition tax to believe that you would know better than I on this subject. Please tell me and show me my ignorance effectivly at least so I may learn from my mistakes.
 

you seem to think that freedom should be cast away for a hopeless desire to stop crime

but why is it that progressives tend to be the ones who want to get rid of legal gun ownership when just about everyone is against crime

is it because punishing conservative gun owners is your real agenda
 

I believe that we keep firearms out of these buildings for a reason. I woulds suspect that these incidents would increase in occurrence. Now perhaps if these people lacked these weapons meant solely fo killing they wouldnt feel so empowered to preform these acts.
 

Apply this to voting and you might have something.
 

Oh I'm fine when it comes to firearms that are meant for hunting or similar recreational uses. When you say however that my intention is not infact to work towards improving society, but to punish people for no reason that makes me question the actual value of your opinion.
 

that's a non answer and silly. what Misterviertis noted is that almost every active shooter massacre occurred in areas where the AS knew that he would not readily be confronted by an armed defender. active shooters are rarely skilled shooters and are cowards and tend to fold up and kill themselves 90% of the time when initially challenged. your solution is to allow an AS to go unchallenged for as long as it takes the police to respond

in VT according to nationally known expert on AS (John Benner) VT had a top flight response team that was deployed within EIGHT MINUTES of the first report of the main massacre starting. Yet the killer was shooting several people a MINUTE
 


you want to restrict the rights of innocent people to have weapons in the vain and silly attempt to keep those who are already banned from owning weapons from getting them
 
We do. It is so we have something interesting to talk about for days and days once the state-created victims are murdered.

Can you show me that we have had an increase in any place where firearms are encouraged?

You cannot. Can you? But you feel. Perhaps you should think first.

How does one stop a person who has a gun and who intends to kill you?

Well?
 
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And the mass genocide that goes on in other parts of the world with guns, machetes, and any weapon people can find do not happen in the United States. Explain to me how we are more violent when we do not dig mass graves?
 

so you are saying is you have no understanding of the second amendment
 

I did not mention fraud. I believe each person should have to prove that he or she is a responsible citizen before being allowed to vote. This last vote did in our nation. It is only a matter of time before we see economic collapse. The murders of 27 people pales in comparison to the loss of a nation.
 

As if the majority of your answers on this thread have had any substance to them.

Why havent these been occuring at this frequency for years then? perhaps even back since the late 1940's? I'm not researched in the matter as of yet, but my hypothesis would be based on the availability of guns and perhaps a social factor as well? What is your answer?
 
TurtleDude said:
so you are saying is you have no understanding of the second amendment
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As I stated in my initial post which it appears you neglected to read although I believe you quoted it. I put my interpretation of te 2nd Amendment is to fullfill our need of a National Militia. This is done by our National Guard thus maing the latter part of the text nill. So in reality, based off of my intrepretation your gun rights are up for grabs.
 


In other words the discredited unsupported statist version rejected by almost every legal scholar and the US Supreme Court.
 

I'm sorry I misunderstood.

I firmly believe that any citizen in our nation has a right to vote. Such is the basis of our society and should not be trifled with. Often times we equate differences in political ideaology with idiodicy which is wrong we just have different opinions and values. Theres really nothing wrong with that and I'm not saying you said otherwise, but right now every vote counts while every gun doesnt.
 
Fisher said:
And the mass genocide that goes on in other parts of the world with guns, machetes, and any weapon people can find do not happen in the United States. Explain to me how we are more violent when we do not dig mass graves?
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Are you comparing the US to the Congo? Seriously?

Again tell me why gun violence is such a problem in the US.
 
Middleground said:
Are you comparing the US to the Congo? Seriously?

Again tell me why gun violence is such a problem in the US.
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Why isn't genocide a problem in the US? Everyone acts like we are the most violent people in earth. We are no where close.
 
TurtleDude said:
so you are saying is you have no understanding of the second amendment
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The Second Amendment was written when it took 15 seconds to reload a gun. I wonder if the Forefathers are rolling in their graves today.
 
Fisher said:
Why isn't genocide a problem in the US? Everyone acts like we are the most violent people in earth. We are no where close.
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Quit changing the goalposts.

Why is gun violence such a problem in the US?
 
TurtleDude said:
In other words the discredited unsupported statist version rejected by almost every legal scholar and the US Supreme Court.
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So you don't think differently of something that has been passed perhaps through all branches of government? Obamacare? Roe vs Wade? both of them proclaimed constitutional by our government, but I'm sure you think otherwise though.

We all have different interpretations and thoughts of certains documents and legislations. Just because mine perhaps might not be one shared by the majority or looked down upon by some, it does not mean it is wrong in a moral or factual sense.
 
ChrisL said:
When you restrict or take away one right, it puts ALL of our rights at risk.
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That is the nature of law itself to restrict actions that are substantially harmful to society than perhaps productive or beneficial. Absolute freedom equates to anarchy which I'm assuming you're not a fan of.

I'm sorry if you're upset with our restriction of your right of murder, but I think the other party might be thankful.

Please don't make such statement that are dangerously general.
 
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