Sanders Wins Nevada Caucuses, Strengthening Front-Runner Position

[Michael Cole]

You missed his point- in that polling shouldnt be counted on since it failed spectacularly the last time. Reading comprehension 101.

OMG. This is like arguing with children.

There is no last time; polling is a continuous enterprise. And it didn't fail spectacularly. That polls have margins of error and are sometimes wrong does not mean they are so unreliable that you can cherry pick a failure and dismiss the polling process altogether. Quite the opposite. The high demand for polling indicates it is reliable. Billions of dollars reliable. These things are really simple to understand.

Regardless of all this, Joe Biden was indeed the frontrunner, according to polling, irrespective of your opinion on the veracity of polls.

 

[Linc]

Joe is the establishment and after decades of establishment policies, we are finally sick of it!!

That’s why you support trump and every repub in Tennessee.

 

[Linc]

The Democrat Party made that clear in the previous election.

More lies from the Reich-Wing GOPutins.

 

[The Mark]

So much for Democrats... learned nothing from 2016.

Their mistake in 2016 was not nominating Sanders.

 

[NeverTrump]

If it were only that simple. Sanders supporters are mirror images of Trump supporters. Their only concern is disruption. What it is they are disrupting isn't even an afterthought.

"Destroy your opponent" is the new MO. And by "opponent" we mean enemy. Putin may be right that democracy is ultimately self destructive.

It's clear that Bernie Bros want him to be a King. I've asked many how they plan to get his plans through Congress and they had no answer whatsoever. The image of the wise old guy revolutionary has been strong in politics since Ron Paul. Ron Paul, Donald Trump, and Bernie Sanders play all the same tricks and use the same playbook. Democrats have been looking for a guy who can beat Trump, and his loyalists. It may just be Bernie and his, but at what cost?

 

[cpwill]

I find it interesting on how far Biden has fallen. On 1 Feb, Biden held the lead in Nevada, 3 weeks later Sander is trouncing him. On 1 Feb in South Carolina, Biden led Sanders by 20 points, today that lead is down to 2. Amazing.

Holy Moly.

Hah! Well, now, this will be at least interesting, if terrifying.

 

[Linc]

I hear conspiratorial thinking is all the rage.

People who are good at it become screenwriters. People who suck at it post nonsense on the internet.

At 23% of the vote in, Sanders is still the one-third candidate at 33.96% of the actual vote, while the other 66% of the vote is still being split amongst more moderate candidates.

 

[Perotista]

Seems to me that Biden was a paper tiger being hyped by the Dem leadership-much like Hillary was in the last election- though in her case it was real. If these caucases show us anything it just proves that Creepy Joe was never the front runner at all.

I don't know. Going over all the general election polls, most show Biden doing better against Trump than any of the rest. Now that is all Americans, not just Democrats. So perhaps Bide was the front runner among all Americans and not with just democrats which choose their nominee. Then again, the support for Biden may have been a case that he seemed the best candidate to beat Trump, but not the favorite candidate among democratic primary voters.

Once the voting started, folks went with their favorite candidate and discarded the candidate that most thought the best one to beat Trump. Who knows? I might be reading too much into all of this.

 

[Perotista]

Joe is the establishment and after decades of establishment policies, we are finally sick of it!!

So someone who's been a congressman and a Senator for 30 years isn't part of the establishment?

 

[Jack Hays]

1980 elector for the (Trotskyite) Socialist Workers' Party presidential candidate.

 

[tobytone]

Can anyone give me an example of a successful Socialist country in history? Please, before you answer with any of the Scandinavian countries do a little research, they are far from Socialist, their tax rate structure is opposite of what Bernie or any Democrat is proposing along with many stark contrasts to Bernie's proposals. Socialism always ends in complete failure and misery, those is purports to help suffer the most. Socialism fails to account for human nature and puts far too much faith and hope in the ruling political leaders to carry out their policies with pure hearts and incorruptible moral leadership. The idea that the people (workers) will share power equally sounds great but because of human nature and the infinite ways people differ it is impossible. Try it in you own household for a month and see how well it works and then imagine scaling that experiment to the entire country. Capitalism is full of injustice, bias, and unfair, but you then have to ask compared to what, what system has produced less poverty and a higher living standard. Answer: They don't exist, Capitalism is the best we have, it's not even close.

 

[Perotista]

Though Democratic Progressives are all about the popular vote, which I agree with, Caucuses have two sets of electoral colleges, while primaries have one. Progressives should be against this. IOW, popular vote only.

With 23% of the vote broken down by the green papers, Sanders is getting 24 delegates, Biden 11 delegates and Buttigieg one delegate in this unDemocratic process.

If we just used raw % times 36, Sanders gets 33.96% times 36 which equals 12, Biden 9, Buttigieg 7, Warren 5, Steyer 3, and Klobuchar 3.

The fact is that Caucuses inflate the % of votes to a higher level BEFORE the 15% rule kicks in, which further skews the original popular vote.

I agree old friend. I never liked caucuses for the reason you stated.

 

[vegas giants]

Can anyone give me an example of a successful Socialist country in history? Please, before you answer with any of the Scandinavian countries do a little research, they are far from Socialist, their tax rate structure is opposite of what Bernie or any Democrat is proposing along with many stark contrasts to Bernie's proposals. Socialism always ends in complete failure and misery, those is purports to help suffer the most. Socialism fails to account for human nature and puts far too much faith and hope in the ruling political leaders to carry out their policies with pure hearts and incorruptible moral leadership. The idea that the people (workers) will share power equally sounds great but because of human nature and the infinite ways people differ it is impossible. Try it in you own household for a month and see how well it works and then imagine scaling that experiment to the entire country. Capitalism is full of injustice, bias, and unfair, but you then have to ask compared to what, what system has produced less poverty and a higher living standard. Answer: They don't exist, Capitalism is the best we have, it's not even close.

Can anyone give me an example of a successful capitalist country with no socialist programs?


Just one

 

[bradt99]

That’s why you support trump and every repub in Tennessee.

Yes, because Marsha Blackburn wasn't the establishment.

 

[Linc]

Their mistake in 2016 was not nominating Sanders.

Yes. The Democrats in 2016 should have chosen the candidate with less popular vote and less delegates. Bernie felt the same way, all the way up to the convention. Sanders continued to try to get pledged and Unpledged delegates to flip from Clinton.

Now in 2020, Sanders has dishonestly flip-flopped and believes that the candidate with the most delegates, even if not a majority which Clinton had, should be handed the nomination. Mr. Plurality, just like trump.

The one thing that has stood out to me reading some of the arrogance on DP tonight is that Sanders posters have gone from being sore losers in 2016 to poor winners in 2020. Let’s see how that assholish attitude along with his speech tonight work out in the South and Midwest.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Maybe, but I'd say young Democrats want inspiration. The rest want stability. The vast majority of Hispanic voters in NV are young, which is where Sanders drew support. Some people will jump on the bandwagon in SC, but Sanders does not have black support like he has Hispanic support.

Bernie's showing with black voters was strong in NV, and should grow.

Biden is going nowhere but home.

 

[Linc]

Yes, because Marsha Blackburn wasn't the establishment.

She’s always been the establishment, along with the rest of the GOPutiNazis in your state.

 

[Michael Cole]

Bernie's showing with black voters was strong in NV, and should grow.

Biden is going nowhere but home.

How strong?

 

[3leftsdoo]

their mistake in 2016 was not nominating sanders.

Bingo!

 

[NWRatCon]

OMG. This is like arguing with children.

There is no last time; polling is a continuous enterprise. And it didn't fail spectacularly. That polls have margins of error and are sometimes wrong does not mean they are so unreliable that you can cherry pick a failure and dismiss the polling process altogether. Quite the opposite. The high demand for polling indicates it is reliable. Billions of dollars reliable. These things are really simple to understand.

Regardless of all this, Joe Biden was indeed the frontrunner, according to polling, irrespective of your opinion on the veracity of polls.

The polls were actually quite accurate in 2016. Trump lost the popular vote by about the margin predicted. State races were well within the margin of error. People in the Trump camp like to forget that the combined margin in 3 states was 87,000 votes, less than 1 percent.
1. Michigan 0.3 percent

Trump 47.6 percent, Clinton 47.3 percent

Difference: 13,080 votes

2. New Hampshire 0.4 percent

Clinton 47.6 percent, Trump 47.2 percent

Difference: 2,701 votes

3. Wisconsin 1 percent

Trump 47.9 percent, Clinton 46.9 percent

Difference: 27,257 votes

4. Pennsylvania 1.2 percent

Trump 48.8 percent, Clinton 47.6 percent

Difference: 68,236 votes (99 percent reporting)

5. Florida 1.2 percent

Trump 49 percent, Clinton 47.8 percent

Difference: 114,455 votes

 

[3leftsdoo]

It's clear that Bernie Bros want him to be a King. I've asked many how they plan to get his plans through Congress and they had no answer whatsoever. The image of the wise old guy revolutionary has been strong in politics since Ron Paul. Ron Paul, Donald Trump, and Bernie Sanders play all the same tricks and use the same playbook. Democrats have been looking for a guy who can beat Trump, and his loyalists. It may just be Bernie and his, but at what cost?

The People should have no representation because oligarchy!

:donkeyfla

 

[Jay59]

The People should have no representation because oligarchy!:donkeyfla

Bloomberg is an oligarch, so that sort of fits.

 

[Michael Cole]

The polls were actually quite accurate in 2016. Trump lost the popular vote by about the margin predicted. State races were well within the margin of error. People in the Trump camp like to forget that the combined margin in 3 states was 87,000 votes, less than 1 percent.
1. Michigan 0.3 percent

Trump 47.6 percent, Clinton 47.3 percent

Difference: 13,080 votes

2. New Hampshire 0.4 percent

Clinton 47.6 percent, Trump 47.2 percent

Difference: 2,701 votes

3. Wisconsin 1 percent

Trump 47.9 percent, Clinton 46.9 percent

Difference: 27,257 votes

4. Pennsylvania 1.2 percent

Trump 48.8 percent, Clinton 47.6 percent

Difference: 68,236 votes (99 percent reporting)

5. Florida 1.2 percent

Trump 49 percent, Clinton 47.8 percent

Difference: 114,455 votes

Thank you.

People in the Trump camp forget all kinds of things.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Yes. The Democrats in 2016 should have chosen the candidate with less popular vote and less delegates. Bernie felt the same way, all the way up to the convention. Sanders continued to try to get pledged and Unpledged delegates to flip from Clinton.

Now in 2020, Sanders has dishonestly flip-flopped and believes that the candidate with the most delegates, even if not a majority which Clinton had, should be handed the nomination. Mr. Plurality, just like trump.

The one thing that has stood out to me reading some of the arrogance on DP tonight is that Sanders posters have gone from being sore losers in 2016 to poor winners in 2020. Let’s see how that assholish attitude along with his speech tonight work out in the South and Midwest.

So. Much. Irony. :shock:

 

[joko104]

It's clear that Bernie Bros want him to be a King. I've asked many how they plan to get his plans through Congress and they had no answer whatsoever. The image of the wise old guy revolutionary has been strong in politics since Ron Paul. Ron Paul, Donald Trump, and Bernie Sanders play all the same tricks and use the same playbook. Democrats have been looking for a guy who can beat Trump, and his loyalists. It may just be Bernie and his, but at what cost?

Sanders is the tele-evangelist of politics. With exaggerated arm movements, a forceful authoritarian voice - slowly booming out each simple key word, he declares if you believe in what he says and in him. If you support him and the dogma he preaches - all your financial, health and social problems will be solved as reward for being a true believer in his secular religion for which he is the only prophet to save them. Naive, generally young adults without personal direction and confidence in life can cling to such a secular preacher and professor.