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Sanders as VP -now mandatory for victory?

If Hillary TRULY wants to win....she'll pick Sanders as a running mate. Were that the case Trump would have even less of a chance than he does now.
 
Grand Mal said:
Well, I've been a small-L liberal all my life and I wouldn't give you a nickel for either of them. The best-intentioned of them all looks to be Sanders and I see him as I do the NDP- opposition, yes, government, no.
Whatever you think of Trump's character, for me the consideration that trumps them all is that President of the USA isn't an entry-level position.
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I tend to agree - I was supportive of Jeb Bush, so that should tell you what I think of Trump. US voters have a terrible choice to make which is why a 'none-of-the-above" boycott of the ballot box is likely.
 
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Fletch said:
Ed Rendell would be a good pick for her. Hes a solid, Midwestern governor politically aligned with people in the Midwest and could freeze out any hope Trump might have to pick up some wins in that area. His downside is that he is a white male so his chance of being selected is zero.
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I agree Rendell would play well to certain voters in Pennsylvania. Beyond that - I see precious little he brings to the table. And Pennsylvania comes to the Democratic electoral college table in the end with alarming consistency anyways.
 
haymarket said:
It looks like Bernie Sanders may end up winning 24 or 25 states. And it looks like he may do very well over the last four weeks of primary season causing Clinton to fall face first over the finish line badly bruised and damaged and looking not at all like somebody who just won something to be proud of.

Would the Democratic ticket be better off with Sanders as the Clinton VP? Would it shore up her falling numbers? Would it energize the ticket with the younger Sanders supporters then staying in the fold?

Or would the socialist label be used as a club against the ticket hurting it in the long run?

And if Bernie can win over the next several weeks - especially out west along the coast climaxing with California - what do you think the possibility is that this becomes almost mandatory in the way that JFK picked LBJ in 1960 and then won the election?
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If Sanders is made VP I may consider voting for Clinton...

...May.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I tend to agree - I was supportive of Jeb Bush, so that should tell you what I think of Trump. US voters have a terrible choice to make which is why a 'non-of-the-above" boycott of the ballot box is likely.
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They don't even have the option of voting for the Rhinoceros Party (an option I once exercised when PET pissed me off).
 
haymarket said:
Let us do this John - come back a week before the November election and lets see who kept their pants on and who jumped in bed despite their protestations that they would not be had.

My suspicion is that the old line.... "Democrats fall in love - Republicans fall in line" will hold true .
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Fair point - but conservatives and Republicans that I respect, like the Bush's, won't be jumping into bed with Trump. Non-conservatives like Chris Christie will.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Fair point - but conservatives and Republicans that I respect, like the Bush's, won't be jumping into bed with Trump. Non-conservatives like Chris Christie will.
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My suspicion is that the traditional fundraisers of the Republican Party will be reluctant to support trump, especially if those individuals were allies of the bush family.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
My suspicion is that the traditional fundraisers of the Republican Party will be reluctant to support trump, especially if those individuals were allies of the bush family.
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I believe that's true, although some of the former Bush "gang", like Dick Cheney, have expressed their support for Trump.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Fair point - but conservatives and Republicans that I respect, like the Bush's, won't be jumping into bed with Trump. Non-conservatives like Chris Christie will.
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You and I both know that there are plenty of politicians on the right who are endorsing Trump. Yes - the Bushes are withholding. But they will soon be a very lonely and tiny island in a vast sea of Trump supporters on the right.
 
haymarket said:
You and I both know that there are plenty of politicians on the right who are endorsing Trump. Yes - the Bushes are withholding. But they will soon be a very lonely and tiny island in a vast sea of Trump supporters on the right.
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I think there are a lot of politicians on the right who are not endorsing Trump - Cruz, and many who supported him, won't although I don't trust Cruz to be a man of principle and to be more a man of personal expediency. I don't believe John Kasich will support Trump. I doubt Carly Fiorina will support Trump. But you are right, there are many politicians on the right who will hold their noses and vote for Trump but that doesn't mean they will support the man - it means, in many cases, that they oppose Hillary Clinton to a greater extent and one can hardly blame them. It will be interesting to see how many social/religious conservatives will come out to vote for Trump considering they stayed home in large numbers for McCain and particularly so for the Mormon, Romney.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But the fundraising network that the bush family and its allies have may not be available to trump.
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True - I believe they had been supporting Cruz up until he dropped out. They may simply sit on their money until the 2020 cycle. After all, Trump bloviated about not needing anyone else's money to run his campaign. What it may do, however, is hurt general Republican fundraising which will hurt down ballot races.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Another important question to throw into the mix... can Hillary and Sanders ideologically get along enough to have an effective campaign together against Trump and whoever that asshat picks?
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They are almost identical on every issue, so I doubt they would have difficulty getting along ideaologically.
 
CanadaJohn said:
True - I believe they had been supporting Cruz up until he dropped out. They may simply sit on their money until the 2020 cycle. After all, Trump bloviated about not needing anyone else's money to run his campaign. What it may do, however, is hurt general Republican fundraising which will hurt down ballot races.
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Trump does not seem like the guy to partake in political fundraising.
 
BrewerBob said:
I think Bernie on the ticket would help her numbers. But the only way Bernie would agree to that is if Hillary met a lot of his demands, policy-wise. She won't do that. Because if she broke her word to Bernie, Bernie would be vocal about it. And as the elected VP Hillary couldn't fire him.
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Yeah, it would be interesting. If she made Bernie her VP, she'd have to let him say his piece, and she'd have to switch some of her policies. She'd lock up the presidency, because Sanders could excite the base.

With that said, she will not do it. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I think there are a lot of politicians on the right who are not endorsing Trump - Cruz, and many who supported him, won't although I don't trust Cruz to be a man of principle and to be more a man of personal expediency. I don't believe John Kasich will support Trump. I doubt Carly Fiorina will support Trump. But you are right, there are many politicians on the right who will hold their noses and vote for Trump but that doesn't mean they will support the man - it means, in many cases, that they oppose Hillary Clinton to a greater extent and one can hardly blame them. It will be interesting to see how many social/religious conservatives will come out to vote for Trump considering they stayed home in large numbers for McCain and particularly so for the Mormon, Romney.
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If Trump is running as anti-establishment, then the establishment not endorsing him is a good thing. I suspect you are right about the evangelicals staying home, unless their hatred of Clinton is sufficient motivation. Not sure that it is enough to overcome the lack of enthusiasm (at best) for Trump, but she has made a great many enemies over the years.
 
Casper said:
I agree. Disagree with Bern's plan to bankrupt us all and make the Nation less safe, Hillary should stick with a moderate and ride the easy train all the way into the Oval Office, oh and May God Help Us All.
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I haven't heard about that plan. Can you please explain it to me?
 
it would benefit Hillary to have him as her VP in the general election.... but after the election, he becomes irrelevant.

it doesn't benefit Bernie to become her VP, as I don't think he's cut out for irrelevancy.... he's have much more influence and "productivity" if he went back to Congress.
 
So, when Clinton can't finish her term for health reasons, Sanders will be President?

Yeah, that's a non-starter...lol
 
CanadaJohn said:
I think there are a lot of politicians on the right who are not endorsing Trump - Cruz, and many who supported him, won't although I don't trust Cruz to be a man of principle and to be more a man of personal expediency. I don't believe John Kasich will support Trump. I doubt Carly Fiorina will support Trump. But you are right, there are many politicians on the right who will hold their noses and vote for Trump but that doesn't mean they will support the man - it means, in many cases, that they oppose Hillary Clinton to a greater extent and one can hardly blame them. It will be interesting to see how many social/religious conservatives will come out to vote for Trump considering they stayed home in large numbers for McCain and particularly so for the Mormon, Romney.
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It May and the election is six long months away. Just wait. All those reluctant frigid brides right now will be reading erotic sex manuals on how to please their groom Donald by November.
 
A Clinton-Sanders ticket would sweep the nation. In another thread I posted, Trump is catching up to Clinton. They couldn't have handed him a better punching-bag.
If Clinton is smart, she'll do it. Especially if he wins CA. Besides the fact the BernieOrBust movement will now support her over Trump.
Her making Sanders VP is the only why I'd vote for her ticket. A lot of people feel the same way.
Let alone the fact that he's in better health than she, in a way, he has an even better chance of becoming President by being her VP.
Once again, if HRC is smart, she'll do it.
If Bernie is smart, he'll take it.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
A Clinton-Sanders ticket would sweep the nation. In another thread I posted, Trump is catching up to Clinton. They couldn't have handed him a better punching-bag.
If Clinton is smart, she'll do it. Especially if he wins CA. Besides the fact the BernieOrBust movement will now support her over Trump.
Her making Sanders VP is the only why I'd vote for her ticket. A lot of people feel the same way.
Let alone the fact that he's in better health than she, in a way, he has an even better chance of becoming President by being her VP.
Once again, if HRC is smart, she'll do it.
If Bernie is smart, he'll take it.
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Smart money is on Hillary picking Virginia senator Tim Kaine as her running mate.

She could also pick senator amy klobouchar of Minnesota
 
imagep said:
I haven't heard about that plan. Can you please explain it to me?
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Every idea that Bernie has either is attached to more taxes or cutting spending for the military, both are great ideas for speculation in a college class room, Bad ideas for the Nation.
 
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