Ségolène Royal unveils far-left economic campaign platform

[RightinNYC]

Ségolène Royal unveils far-left economic campaign platform - International Herald Tribune

Ségolène Royal, the presidential candidate of the Socialist Party, unveiled a long- awaited platform on Sunday, veering sharply to the left on economic policy while also stressing discipline and "traditional values."

Ten weeks before the election, Royal is hoping to reverse a slide in popularity that has seen her lose ground to her main challenger, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

In a two-hour speech to about 10,000 supporters north of Paris, she laid out a 100-proposal platform, pledging to raise pensions, to increase the minimum wage to €1,500, or about $2,000, a month and to guarantee a job or further training for every youth within six months of graduating from university.

She also said that randomly selected citizens' juries would watch over government policy and that juvenile delinquents could be placed in educational camps run by the military.

She also promised to abolish a flexible work contract for small companies and hold a national conference in June on how to increase salaries.

Indeed, she seemed to have something to offer to most groups in society without saying how much the combined measures would cost: Under her presidency, she said, young women would get free contraception, all young people would get access to a €10,000 interest- free loan and the handicapped would see their benefits rise.

Wow.:shock:

"The unfettered rein of financial profit is intolerable for the general interest," she said

If she wins, I'm sure they won't have to worry about unfettered profit anywhere in France for quite some time.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

... increasing the minimum wage to $2000 a month. This time next year, the Germans are going to be complaining about French guest workers, and the Turks are going to be marching in the streets about how the French are stealing their jobs.

Absolutely amazing.

Aside from that and the interest-free loan-- how, exactly, are they going to pay for that?-- I don't see anything in her program that I really object to. Some of it looks expensive, but it looks like a rational approach to the problems she's trying to address.

 

[Dezaad]

She is quite radical.

Is there any precedent for establishing that high of a minimum wage, anywhere?

 

[Kandahar]

She is quite radical.

Is there any precedent for establishing that high of a minimum wage, anywhere?

Not that I'm aware of, at least not at the national level (although several European countries are close).

France has one of the sickest, least vibrant economies in the developed world. It needs to completely reform its economy and pass sweeping deregulation laws...but over the last few years, it's done exactly the opposite.

Fortunately, Sarkozy will probably win the election.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

France has one of the sickest, least vibrant economies in the developed world. It needs to completely reform its economy and pass sweeping deregulation laws...but over the last few years, it's done exactly the opposite.

Yep. France is one of the very few cases in which I think "sweeping deregulation" is the appropriate strategy.

 

[RightOfCenter]

She also said that randomly selected citizens' juries would watch over government policy and that juvenile delinquents could be placed in educational camps run by the military.

Why do you see a problem with this? They do that here in the US, I've had friends that have gone there and had their lives completely turned around. I guess it is the French military though...

 

[RightinNYC]

Why do you see a problem with this? They do that here in the US, I've had friends that have gone there and had their lives completely turned around. I guess it is the French military though...

I guess that I have absolutely no faith in an incredibly vague statement such as hers and have a loathing for the level of xenophobia/racism that exists across Europe. I could very easily see "juvenile delinquents getting educational training" turning into "take all the rowdy Muslim youth who are pissed because they're unemployed and put them into military camps so we don't have to deal with them in our society."

 

[RightOfCenter]

I guess that I have absolutely no faith in an incredibly vague statement such as hers and have a loathing for the level of xenophobia/racism that exists across Europe. I could very easily see "juvenile delinquents getting educational training" turning into "take all the rowdy Muslim youth who are pissed because they're unemployed and put them into military camps so we don't have to deal with them in our society."

Oh, I see. Very good point, but that doesn't seem like behavior a socialist would approve of. What do you think LeftHenry or Feela would say?

 

[RightinNYC]

Oh, I see. Very good point, but that doesn't seem like behavior a socialist would approve of. What do you think LeftHenry or Feela would say?

As long as the rest of the country still got their guaranteed job and 35 hour work weeks, I don't know how much opposition we'd see. France has never been big on standing up for the rights of others when there's a possible cost.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Oh, I see. Very good point, but that doesn't seem like behavior a socialist would approve of. What do you think LeftHenry or Feela would say?

Really? The Nazi's were socialists, infact fascism itself has its roots squarly in socialist thought.

 

[GarzaUK]

Really? The Nazi's were socialists, infact fascism itself has its roots squarly in socialist thought.

The Nazis were not socialists. What socialist policies did the Nazi's implement exactly??

 

[PeteEU]

Dont get ToT going GarzaUK. He will just start to post more wild claims and links from "wacko sites" and even wierder stuff, all in the while trying to pin nazies, facists, and god knows what on the "left" and "socialists" and if he can pin it on Clinton and Kerry too then its all a bonus. He is in total denial of the facts and lives in a black and white world, where anyone not agreeing with him is "liberal".

 

[GarzaUK]

Dont get ToT going GarzaUK. He will just start to post more wild claims and links from "wacko sites" and even wierder stuff, all in the while trying to pin nazies, facists, and god knows what on the "left" and "socialists" and if he can pin it on Clinton and Kerry too then its all a bonus. He is in total denial of the facts and lives in a black and white world, where anyone not agreeing with him is "liberal".

lol It is totally inaccurate though. While the Nazi Party was a workers party, when Hitler took over it deceased at becoming a socialist party. In fact the Middle Class were the main supporters of the Nazi Party, not the workers.

 

[PeteEU]

lol It is totally inaccurate though. While the Nazi Party was a workers party, when Hitler took over it deceased at becoming a socialist party. In fact the Middle Class were the main supporters of the Nazi Party, not the workers.

Not to mention the mega industrialists were its main money backers, and that the Nazies actively hunted and killed socialists along with Jews, gypsis and other "political" problems.

 

[Red_Dave]

Not that I'm aware of, at least not at the national level (although several European countries are close).

France has one of the sickest, least vibrant economies in the developed world. It needs to completely reform its economy and pass sweeping deregulation laws...but over the last few years, it's done exactly the opposite.

Fortunately, Sarkozy will probably win the election.

That wouldnt surprise me. Royal is behind in the polls due to her reputation as a "Gauche caviar" [the french equivilent of a Limousine liberal or Champagne socialist] Im reluctantly tempted to route for Sarkozy actually. Im all for socialist policies provided they work. This isnt happening in france and when they dont work they will be bailed out by the E.U at our expence.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The Nazis were not socialists. What socialist policies did the Nazi's implement exactly??

Here's some:

11 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12 Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14 We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

25 Points of the Nazi party - Nazi Party Manifesto

And read this:

The Socialist Roots of Naziism

 

[Red_Dave]

Guilty by asociation

Here's some:



And read this:

The Socialist Roots of Naziism

It should also be noted that Hitler was a vegitarian, therefore Eienstein was a nazi.:roll:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Guilty by asociation

It should also be noted that Hitler was a vegitarian, therefore Eienstein was a nazi.:roll:

Umm no, those policies were decidedly socialist in nature IE it is not reductio ad-Hitlerum, further, if you read the link I provided it is clear where the roots of the Nazi party are grounded and it is in the socialist ideology.

 

[Red_Dave]

Re: Guilty by asociation

Umm no, those policies were decidedly socialist in nature IE it is not reductio ad-Hitlerum, further, if you read the link I provided it is clear where the roots of the Nazi party are grounded and it is in the socialist ideology.

That doesnt make your implication that socialists are guilty by asosiation any less of a logical fallacy.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Guilty by asociation

That doesnt make your implication that socialists are guilty by asosiation any less of a logical fallacy.

They are guilty, socialism and collectivism in all their forms eventually lead to totalitarianism and tyranny.