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Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

You don't know what the hell "socialism" is. These people do, and they know Obama is no socialist: What Do Socialists Think of Obamacare? | Michael Smerconish

Ontologuy said:
Your linked author's opinion is merely that, employing hyperbole and metaphor to make his point.

The socialist aspect of Obamacare is obvious.
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Did you even READ the article? There was no hyperbole. There was no metaphor. Only actual Socialists explaining how ObamaCare is NOT socialist.

Either you didn't read the article, or you choose not to accept the truth. Either way, you are ignorant. And ignorance is a choice, and it is a deviant, perverse, repulsive lifestyle.
 
 
Liberal Democratic candidates make it better every time. Every. Single. Time. Conservative Republican candidates make it worse every time.

clownboy said:
And yet you just posted this above: "The truth is, this country has never had a Left President."

That would mean I suppose that every president from the beginning has made things worse in your opinion. Silly extremism.
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No. That means that liberals are not in "the Left." They are left of center, but you people consider everybody to the left of your perception of Reagan (including the actual Reagan, if you looked at some parts of his record) to be Communists.
 
Comunitee said:
Bull. Liberal Democratic candidates make it better every time.

Every. Single. Time.

Conservative Republican candidates make it worse every time.
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Your post here is not only in error (your first and second lines) but a disconnect reflecting liberal extremism dualistic thinking (either a liberal Dem or a conservative Repub - no possibility of any other).

I've already presented the other choice, a centrist candidate, neither liberal or conservative, with the traits and policy my first post in this thread presented.
 
If you think president obama is part of "the left," then you don't have the slightest understanding of politics. The actual left considers him a conservative.

Oftencold said:
roflol!

You went to the Public Schools, didn't you?
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You're damn right I did. My parents knew that if they wanted me to have religious instruction, it had to be in the church, where it was free, and not at a school where hustlers in collars indoctrinate children for profit.
 

Put down the thesaurus, deflate the ego, and come down to Earth, no one going around talking about their intellectual superiority to other people is going to be taken seriously
 
Please relate your contention that amalgamations of people do not share in the rights of the people of which it is composed, and why then that the Government recognized such things as political parties at the highest levels.

Money is not speech. So we need not attach the tow in any litigation. The issue must therefore be closed, and the State can have no interest in curtailing spending for speech.

The Florida vote was counted repeatedly, and the Democrats wanted to continue until it reached the conclusion that they desired. Which is all irrelevant, since the State's Constitutional requirements were met. The Supreme Court had a duty to completely absent itself.
 
Your extremist tendency to miscomprehend the article and to then sling ad hominems at me when you're lost is typical of "very liberal", the description found in the left margin of your posts.
 
Bull. Liberal Democratic candidates make it better every time.

Every. Single. Time.

Conservative Republican candidates make it worse every time.

Obama IS a centrist President. Only flakes like Ted Cruz think he's a flaming liberal.
 
Comunitee said:
Bull. Liberal Democratic candidates make it better every time.

Every. Single. Time.

Conservative Republican candidates make it worse every time.


Obama IS a centrist President. Only flakes like Ted Cruz think he's a flaming liberal.
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Already debunked and shown as the extremist screed it is by your own words.
 

People have rights. Groups do not. If corporations are "people," then so are labor unions. You wouldn't say a labor union is a "person," would you? Because that would make them equal to corporations, and for a conservative, that would be blasphemy.

You don't spend for speech. Restrictions on campaign finance do not stop you from saying, "Here's why I think you should vote for this guy."

And the Florida vote was NEVER fully counted. You people on the right have been lying about that for almost 13 years now. The State's constitutional requirements were NOT met, because the FEDERAL Constitution, the supreme law of the land, says that a person's right to vote shall not be infringed. It was.
 
Comunitee said:
Bull. Liberal Democratic candidates make it better every time.

Every. Single. Time.

Conservative Republican candidates make it worse every time.

Obama IS a centrist President. Only flakes like Ted Cruz think he's a flaming liberal.
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Your last several posts like this have identified you as someone who is so completely close-minded that your opinions can be dismissed out-of-hand as there is no objective thought or consideration whatsoever. Thanks for making that easy. Carry on.
 

I disagree with the personhood for corporations decisions of the SCOTUS, but they have made those decisions, and thus you are wrong where it comes to reality.
 
Very good ! Labor Unions are indeed people. I would say that labor unions are people. Deluded people generally, but people nonetheless. Why should you think that I would say otherwise? I want labor unions to be able to spend a virtually unlimited amount of money to promote their obviously infantile message. Bear in mind that one of the pleasures of allowing groups to do so, is that the ones who fail to produce compelling messages will have wasted their money. I'd advise you to spend some time in actual thought and research to determine what Conservative actually think, with great stress on the verb, and eschew your simplistic fantasies about the opinions we hold.


You really need to study the issue of the recount. Florida law, with no flexibility whatsoever required the election to be certified by a given date. Time simply ran out on Democrat schemes to produce magical, newly "discovered" ballots.
 


dems win elections because there are more people who want the government to give them something earned by others than those who want to be left alone
 
Wiseone said:
Put down the thesaurus, deflate the ego, and come down to Earth, no one going around talking about their intellectual superiority to other people is going to be taken seriously
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Oh, but you're wrong, else there'd be no President Obama.

And I rarely have recourse to a thesaurus, though I recommend them to persons not conversant with our tongue.

As for myself, I am taken quite seriously in some quarters, and in this happy circumstance, I rest content.
 

Once again, you display the Modern Left's unwillingness to consider wider possibilities, locked as they are in their simplistic misunderstanding of their political and fiscal betters. I made no reference at all to religious instruction, or to religious schools. My casual thought was of the inherently superior private school system. You jumped, as the typical Leftist can so readily be counted upon, to the prepackaged conclusion your grossly simplified and fantastical worldview insisted upon.

(I typically assume that strident Modern Leftists have had poor Judeo-Chritian religious instruction, by the way, since those religions strong injunctions against covetousness, and theft, lying, respect for one's parents, and perjury, are incompatible with Collectivist political ideologies.)
 

I don't expect another Republican President anytime in the foreseeable future. The GOP has offended too many large voting blocks while "appealing to the base." They've created an image of being in the back pockets of super-wealthy corporate interests at the expense of the middle-class who in a New York minute will cut their pay, outsource their jobs to China and slash benefits in order to give themselves huge salaries and bonuses. Most significant, they've made the fastest growing constituencies in the country out to be the enemies of America and think pandering to them in Spanish and sticking anybody black on TV is or in the audience to be seen when these constituencies know full well its an entirely 180 degree different message they give the base is going to deliver votes on Election Day.
 
Bull. Liberal Democratic candidates make it better every time.

Every. Single. Time.

Conservative Republican candidates make it worse every time.


Obama IS a centrist President. Only flakes like Ted Cruz think he's a flaming liberal.
clownboy said:
Already debunked and shown as the extremist screed it is by your own words.
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You haven't debunked squat. You haven't even tried. And if you did try, you would fail.
 
clownboy said:
I disagree with the personhood for corporations decisions of the SCOTUS, but they have made those decisions, and thus you are wrong where it comes to reality.
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No. I may be wrong where it comes to operations, but the reality is that corporations are not people.

Reality has a liberal bias.
 

I'd give the Democrats the slightest of edges due to demographic reasons, but this far out its practically a coin flip. A big thing will be if the Democratic gains in places like Charlotte, Indianapolis, Dallas, Orlando, and other cities like that are permanent. Obama got killed far worse than Gore, Kerry, and Clinton in more rural areas, but he took out even bigger gains around swing to Republican cities like those. Worst case scenario for Republicans is if a candidate like Hillary can keep those cities as Democratic as they are while returning to even Gore levels of Democratic support elsewhere.

Obviously it also depends on what the national politics are. If its a wave election either way, none of the above will matter, but it's too far out to say which way the country will be leaning.
 

Because of the growing Hispanic vote its expected that Texas, Arizona and Georgia blue states possibly as soon as 2016. If Puerto Rico gains statehood, that's 7 to 9 more solid democrat EC votes. If just one goes blue, I think its pretty much over for the GOP except state office especially in rural areas. The only thing that could flip the script IMHO would be a huge Watergate type scandal by the democrats and/or getting arrogant and governing against the will of the majority just because they think they're invincible.
 
Comunitee said:
Obama IS a centrist President. Only flakes like Ted Cruz think he's a flaming liberal.
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False, obviously.

Obama is the nation's leading Multi-Cultural Internationalist, and that alone makes him a solid left-winger, a liberal.

His position on amnesty and legalizataion for 20 million illegal aliens and the economic ramifications of such, Obmacare (obviously), his encouragement of corporations hiring people from other countries instead of Americans, his position on abortion, his position on the oxymoronic "gay marriage", his position on spend, spend, spend big government .. all testify to what we've long intuitively known, that Obama is a liberal, obviously, and clearly.
 

Where is the centrist philosophically? If one is a pragmatic, looking for short term answers to immediate problems, maybe just maybe a centrist is the best bet. However if one has a systematic governing philosophy that has one goal in mind, that is protecting the freedom of the individual. The centrist is culpable in the destruction of that goal. In your opinion on a scale of 1-10, 1 being totalitarian, 10 being anarchy; Where would you put the founding fathers, modern libertarians, GOP conservatives, Dem progressives, and finally where are the centrists? Curious to know how far you think we should be willing to go as the centrist position slides further to the left.
 
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