Russia's War With Ukraine Could Be Headed Towards Stalemate

[Roadvirus]

Putin is getting old and wants to cement his place on history.

And he's done it.......

.....as the most evil, murdering pusbucket to ever lead a nation in the 21st century.

 

[jnug]

Facts based on stereotyping actions? Is that how you "know?"

Like I said., common sense, a the process of elimination and then history. For one thing, common sense would tell you that not a single rational Putin has provided is anything other than a LIE. In the first place, Putin has been tossing out new rationalizations looking for one that would stick to the wall from the start. In other words, hunting for something that he could sell.....like Trump hunting through his rally crowds for something that drew the most applause. None of what Putin has tossed out there is anything more than a means to try to justify this mess first to his own domestic audience and then to whatever part of the world might need something to latch onto in order to support what in truth is a war of conquest.

- Putin started his string of excuses for this war with fear of NATO which he knows is a defensive treaty alliance. Putin is not stupid. You can do one of two things. You can take Putin at his word over this excuse which is the equivalent of Putin saying "I don't want Ukraine becoming part of NATO because it will be harder to conquer it" or you can determine that Putin did not even think that hard about this excuse. Its just a flat out LIE!
- then he went on to the ethnic Russians and Russian Language restrictions and Donbas garbage. Putin's war is not about the rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine either. Between his own loses and a simple cut of the overall percentage of the Ukraine population that is ethnic Russian Putin is killing more ethnic Russians than Ukrainians. So you can take all of Putin's horse shit excuses about the rights of ethnic Russians and toss them right out the window. That includes the Donbas region excuse and the Russian language excuse.
- finally Putin comes up with Ukraine developing nukes which is ludicrous since they gave up their nukes and bio-weapons development which is equally ludicrous.


The closest Putin came to a goofy as hell excuse that you can at least say has crossed his mind in some relevant way is his argument about the Communists first having designed the Soviet Union and then seeing the Soviet Union capitulate. I can see that putting a hair across Putin's ass. But its still a bullshit excuse. Get over it Vlad. Shit happens. No matter how you cut it, just because Ukraine was a Republic of the Soviet Union did not leave Russia, simply another Republic of the Soviet Union any legitimate claims to Ukraine. Sorry Vlad.....illegitimate and irrational to boot. I can see Putin building up a rationalization for attack over this argument but not because it makes any sense but instead because.......PUTIN! No Vlad, you don't get Vlad because it was once part of the Soviet Union and oh by the way, you don't get Alaska back either.

Once you have eliminated all of Putin's bullshit you are left with history. You are forced to start thinking about the reasons for this war that exist outside what Putin has told us. That leads us to history, particularly the history of the 20st century, The history of war and especially the history of war in the 20th century which is a history of conquest.

Leaders of nation states go to war for conquest, for the treasure and assets of other countries. Not only does it make the most sense based on history it makes the most sense based on assets. Putin has been trying to take over Ukraine's assets for over a decade by means other than war. The combination of Ukraine and Russia would account for 70% of the world's grain exports. Its another version of his fossil fuels gig only to a different part of the world than Europe.

This war or the reason Putin embarked on it is not at all difficult to figure out. His problem in total is that he had a fugged up pretext, had a fugged up plan and a fugged up paper tiger of a military asset.

Oh ....and Putin's denazification of Ukraine excuse does not even merit inclusion in the list above.

 

[Mycroft]

What....you think Putin was going to tell us? ahhhhh.....ahhha.....ahahahahahha

He was going to tell us everything but his true intentions and OH LOOK, he just about has told us every possible other story under the sun. ALL LIES!!!

Then why do those people in that article think they know?

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, your handlers decided not to share any of Russia’s statements with you, so that you would remain a useful pawn of the elites and the pukes. One could say that they dismissed you.

I don't have handlers. Who are your handlers? Have they shared Russia's objectives with you?

 

[Mycroft]

Because That's how you get to the truth right? They just come out and tell you something?
What a joke.

The people quoted in the article seem to know. Why haven't they told us?

 

[Mach]

The people quoted in the article seem to know. Why haven't they told us?

According to you we're supposed to get the truth by asking Putin.
Sounds as stupid as Trump.

 

[Mycroft]

According to you we're supposed to get the truth by asking Putin.
Sounds as stupid as Trump.

Well, they COULD ask Putin. Seems better than just making things up, don't you think?

 

[jnug]

Well, they COULD ask Putin. Seems better than just making things up, don't you think?

Why should they ask PUTIN...so he can LIE more. He has already offered 5 excuse that were pure bullshit.

 

[jnug]

The people quoted in the article seem to know. Why haven't they told us?

They did...the only rational offered for Putin's War was that it was a "War of Conquest" which is in fact what it is.

 

[Jredbaron96]

"that have failed so far to achieve any of their initial objectives, Western officials and military experts say."​

I wonder...what are the Russian objectives? And how do those "Western officials and military experts" know what the Russian objectives are?

Have they been talking to the Russians?

I'll admit I haven't been following this Russia/Ukraine thing closely. Have I missed a public statement from Russia about their objectives?

The Russians are pretty clear about their desired end state (neutral Ukraine, government friendly to Moscow), and that can only be accomplished by meeting certain objectives; forcing the capitulation of Kiev, etc.

The Russians tried to do it quickly with a rapid offensive action utilizing elite infantry to seize control of major strategic targets, but that blew up in their face and they were forced to resort to a ground offensive they were not fully prepared to carry out. They've been stuck in more or less the same positions for the past few days and are resorting to flattening everything in their path, which is a hallmark of a war of attrition, hence the belief that they are approaching a stalemate.

 

[Mycroft]

Why should they ask PUTIN...so he can LIE more. He has already offered 5 excuse that were pure bullshit.

I don't care if they do or not.

But if they won't, they shouldn't act like they DO know what his objectives are.

 

[multivita-man]

Putin is getting old and wants to cement his place on history. He fancies himself as the modern day Katherine the Great projecting power over lesser peoples and demanding tribute from them.

I don't buy into the idea that Putin gives a **** about history. He uses historical ideology to sell his case to people that matter, in the same way that Americans sold the war on terror with statements like "Al Qaida hates us because we're free, we have cable tv, and we can buy a house." That's what people selling wars say to sell wars. In reality, it's about keeping the regime in power. Putin wants a "buffer" because he wants Russians to believe that Westernism sucks, that Westernism is corrupt, immoral, perverted, decadent, and won't work for slavic people. He wants to keep foreign demons alive so that he can keep robbing his people blind. Ukraine's move toward the West was the final straw for Putin, because he was afraid that Russia would lose the ability to influence the region, and more importantly, the former Soviet states might gain the ability to influence Russians and Russian political thought.

 

[noonereal]

From the Washington Post --

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/20/russia-ukraine-military-offensive/

Its not headed to any stalemate. Russia has bio, chemical and nukes.

Silly story. Dumb.

 

[jnug]

The Russians are pretty clear about their desired end state (neutral Ukraine, government friendly to Moscow), and that can only be accomplished by meeting certain objectives; forcing the capitulation of Kiev, etc.

The Russians tried to do it quickly with a rapid offensive action utilizing elite infantry to seize control of major strategic targets, but that blew up in their face and they were forced to resort to a ground offensive they were not fully prepared to carry out. They've been stuck in more or less the same positions for the past few days and are resorting to flattening everything in their path, which is a hallmark of a war of attrition, hence the belief that they are approaching a stalemate.

Don't fool yourself. Putin want the territory and the assets. If Putin has his way, he would use a puppet government in Kyiv to control the assets and the territory of Ukraine. He would suck the country dry. Its treasure and cultural icons would have been taken to Moscow as plunder. Its grains which Putin want to control would have been used to enrich Moscow with Ukraine forced to a subsistence budget. Another assets would be stolen. This is what Putin has been trying to accomplish for over a decade by other means which is his "tell" here.

As it is now, he can't take Kyiv and he can't hold it if he takes it. He can't just install a puppet government either as he can't sustain his puppet against insurrection.

His only hope is the one I outlined above. If he takes Odessa he will land lock Ukraine and be able to control their grain exports and every other export and control their imports. He will starve the country and topple the government of Ukraine that way. Ukraine can not allow Odessa to fall. It is more important that Kyiv at this point.

 

[multivita-man]

The Russians are pretty clear about their desired end state (neutral Ukraine, government friendly to Moscow), and that can only be accomplished by meeting certain objectives; forcing the capitulation of Kiev, etc.

Not just friendly to Moscow, but dominated by and subservient to Moscow.

 

[noonereal]

Why should they ask PUTIN...so he can LIE more. He has already offered 5 excuse that were pure bullshit.

Anyone notice that Putin just makes shit up and his cult believes him just like Trump?

 

[multivita-man]

Its not headed to any stalemate. Russia has bio, chemical and nukes.

If Russia thinks sanctions are bad now, they've seen nothing yet. This might also be crossing a NATO red line even without attacking a NATO country.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Its not headed to any stalemate. Russia has bio, chemical and nukes.

Silly story. Dumb.

I'm not sure how that's even relevant. Chemical weapons were heavily utilized during WWI. And that war was a stalemate for over 3 years.

 

[noonereal]

If Russia thinks sanctions are bad now, they've seen nothing yet. This might also be crossing a NATO red line even without attacking a NATO country.

It crosses no Nato line.
Only an attack on a Nato country is a red line.

 

[noonereal]

I'm not sure how that's even relevant. Chemical weapons were heavily utilized during WWI. And that war was a stalemate for over 3 years.

Well, maybe think it though a bit and you'll understand.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Earlier I wrote. "The new assistance [from the Biden administration] will stop short of the no-fly zone or fighter jets Zelensky has said are necessary to sustain Ukraine's fight against Russia.

"Fighter jets!" Not Polish MiG-29's. There is no mention of MiG's in the entire article, and no mention of the courageous offer by the Poles whose country shares a common border with the war zone."

That article and a couple others emphasized that the media was reluctant to describe the aircraft as Polish MiG-29's. Through their generosity and courage, the Poles were willing to transfer 28 MiG's to Ukraine. The Biden administration refused to cooperate with the transfer. The concern is, many would think the issue concerns American fighters. Of course, that is not the case.

Finally, someone is defending Biden and accurately described the fighters as Polish MiG-29's and the media obliged. That may be a first in terms of the past two weeks.

ABC News reports, "Sen. Dick Durbin on Sunday defended the Biden administration's decision to not facilitate the delivery of MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine from Poland."

"There are other ways for us to provide surface to air missiles and air defenses that will keep the Russians at bay in terms of their aerial attack," Durbin, D-Ill., told ABC "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos. "There are other ways to do that that are consistent with the NATO alliance and would not jeopardize expanding this into World War III or even worse."

The first sentence suggests sending the MiG's will cause these "other ways" not to be provided. That is absurd.

Durbin then goes on to suggest Putin is dictating what the U.S. can do in this war. He is suggesting that Putin, who so far has been unable to defeat Ukraine in what is becoming a long war, will attack the NATO alliance because Biden approved of the transfer, causing World War III.

Who is in charge of what the U.S. does, Putin or Biden? Durbin answered that question. Putin, because, hypothetically, Putin may cause World War III.

Senator, Putin is not that stupid.

 

[iguanaman]

"that have failed so far to achieve any of their initial objectives, Western officials and military experts say."​

I wonder...what are the Russian objectives? And how do those "Western officials and military experts" know what the Russian objectives are?

Have they been talking to the Russians?

I'll admit I haven't been following this Russia/Ukraine thing closely. Have I missed a public statement from Russia about their objectives?

Yes they have been talking to informers inside Russia. I can't believe you don't know that by now. Putin's stooge Yanukovych was being prepared for a "special event" at the start of the war. Can you guess what that was?

https://www.news18.com/news/world/v...as-new-head-to-replace-zelenskyy-4828151.html

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Well, maybe think it though a bit and you'll understand.

No, maybe you should try explaining how using chemical weapons is going to end a stalemate, when it didn't work during WWI.

 

[iguanaman]

Earlier I wrote. "The new assistance [from the Biden administration] will stop short of the no-fly zone or fighter jets Zelensky has said are necessary to sustain Ukraine's fight against Russia.

"Fighter jets!" Not Polish MiG-29's. There is no mention of MiG's in the entire article, and no mention of the courageous offer by the Poles whose country shares a common border with the war zone."

That article and a couple others emphasized that the media was reluctant to describe the aircraft as Polish MiG-29's. Through their generosity and courage, the Poles were willing to transfer 28 MiG's to Ukraine. The Biden administration refused to cooperate with the transfer. The concern is, many would think the issue concerns American fighters. Of course, that is not the case.

Finally, someone is defending Biden and accurately described the fighters as Polish MiG-29's and the media obliged. That may be a first in terms of the past two weeks.

ABC News reports, "Sen. Dick Durbin on Sunday defended the Biden administration's decision to not facilitate the delivery of MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine from Poland."

"There are other ways for us to provide surface to air missiles and air defenses that will keep the Russians at bay in terms of their aerial attack," Durbin, D-Ill., told ABC "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos. "There are other ways to do that that are consistent with the NATO alliance and would not jeopardize expanding this into World War III or even worse."

The first sentence suggests sending the MiG's will cause these "other ways" not to be provided. That is absurd.

Durbin then goes on to suggest Putin is dictating what the U.S. can do in this war. He is suggesting that Putin, who so far has been unable to defeat Ukraine in what is becoming a long war, will attack the NATO alliance because Biden approved of the transfer, causing World War III.

Who is in charge of what the U.S. does, Putin or Biden? Durbin answered that question. Putin, because, hypothetically, Putin may cause World War III.

Senator, Putin is not that stupid.

The Poles needed to give the Migs to Ukraine on their own and not as part of NATO. Their "offer" to send the planes to a German NATO base put an end that real quick. They freaked out and said Putin was going to nuke them if they transferred the Migs themselves and we sent them Patriots to calm them down.

 

[noonereal]

No, maybe you should try explaining how using chemical weapons is going to end a stalemate, when it didn't work during WWI.

Russia has the capability to escalate in ways not available in 1918. That your post brings up 1918 at all is ridiculous.

Seriously, this is not hard. Russian can escalate, Ukraine cannot. Russia can escalate to the point of vaporizing the country. They are not and cannot be in a stalemate unless you don't know what the word means.