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Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages

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Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages

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Yablonska street in Bucha. What posessed the Russians to order their armor into this narrow roadway? Hubris?

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Kyiv was a Russian defeat for the ages. The fight started poorly for the invaders and went downhill from there. When President Vladimir Putin launched his war on Feb. 24 after months of buildup on Ukraine's borders, he sent hundreds of helicopter-borne commandos — the best of the best of Russia's “spetsnaz” special forces soldiers — to assault and seize a lightly defended airfield on Kyiv's doorstep. Other Russian forces struck elsewhere across Ukraine, including toward the eastern city of Kharkiv as well as in the contested Donbas region and along the Black Sea coast. But as the seat of national power, Kyiv was the main prize. Thus the thrust by elite airborne forces in the war's opening hours. But Putin failed to achieve his goal of quickly crushing Ukraine’s outgunned and outnumbered army. The Russians were ill-prepared for Ukrainian resistance, proved incapable of adjusting to setbacks, failed to effectively combine air and land operations, misjudged Ukraine’s ability to defend its skies, and bungled basic military functions like planning and executing the movement of supplies. “That’s a really bad combination if you want to conquer a country,” said Peter Mansoor, a retired Army colonel and professor of military history at Ohio State University. For now at least, Putin's forces have shifted away from Kyiv, to eastern Ukraine. Ultimately, the Russian leader may achieve some of his objectives. Yet his failure to seize Kyiv will be long remembered — for how it defied prewar expectations and exposed surprising weaknesses in a military thought to be one of the strongest in the world.

“It’s stunning,” said military historian Frederick Kagan of the Institute for the Study of War, who says he knows of no parallel to a major military power like Russia invading a country at the time of its choosing and failing so utterly. The Russians underestimated the number of troops they would need and showed “an astonishing inability” to perform basic military functions. They vastly misjudged what it would take to win the battle for Kyiv, he says. “This was going to be hard even if the Russian army had proven itself to be competent,” he said. “It’s proven itself to be wholly incapable of conducting modern armored warfare.” On March 25, barely a month after the invasion began, the Russians declared they had achieved their goals in the Kyiv region and would shift focus to the separatist Donbas area in eastern Ukraine. Some suspected a Putin ploy to buy time without giving up his maximalist aims, but within days the Kyiv retreat was in full view. Putin may yet manage to refocus his war effort on a narrower goal of expanding Russian control in the Donbas and perhaps securing a land corridor from the Donbas to the Crimean Peninsula. But his failure in Kyiv revealed weaknesses that suggest Russia is unlikely to try again soon to take down the national capital. “I think they learned their lesson,” said Mansoor.


I am personally stunned at not only the "war crimes unprofessionalism" of the Russian military, but also their extreme lack of competence on the modern battlefield.

Compounding this demonstration in military ineptness is the inescapable fact that Ukraine is right next door!
 
I just can't get over the people insisting Russia never intended to take Kyiv. It's so funny. I can't wait to hear about the Russian forces tactically regrouping and repositioning out of the Donbass as well.
 
Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages

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Yablonska street in Bucha. What posessed the Russians to order their armor into this narrow roadway? Hubris?




I am personally stunned at not only the "war crimes unprofessionalism" of the Russian military, but also their extreme lack of competence on the modern battlefield.

Compounding this demonstration in military ineptness is the inescapable fact that Ukraine is right next door!
Is there any chance that you will stop glorifying the Ukraine resistance in the near future?

''Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages'' hardly the case at all!

The finest army that ever marched could not take down Leningrad in WWII.
Leningrad did not fall during the German siege which lasted from 1941-1944
and not one country in the world could compete with the german army of WWII.
The citizens that survived that siege swallowed hair oil & vaseline & made soup
of dried glue from furniture joints & wall paper. That was one for the ages.

The fact that Kiev has lasted for 5 or 6 weeks is hardly one for the ages.
 
Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages

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Yablonska street in Bucha. What posessed the Russians to order their armor into this narrow roadway? Hubris?




I am personally stunned at not only the "war crimes unprofessionalism" of the Russian military, but also their extreme lack of competence on the modern battlefield.

Compounding this demonstration in military ineptness is the inescapable fact that Ukraine is right next door!

Tanks. Putin was convinced by his military advisers that tanks would be the key. Unfortunately for them, they did not take into account the advances made in tank-killing apparatus, mainly small missiles. When the tank offensive failed because of that, they had no backup. They could have tried to launch infantry attacks, but the Ukrainians knew the terrain and that would have proven quite futile also.
So all they had left was to wantonly and brutally destroy the cities with missiles and bombardment. In other words, war crimes.
 
Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages

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Yablonska street in Bucha. What posessed the Russians to order their armor into this narrow roadway? Hubris?




I am personally stunned at not only the "war crimes unprofessionalism" of the Russian military, but also their extreme lack of competence on the modern battlefield.

Compounding this demonstration in military ineptness is the inescapable fact that Ukraine is right next door!
That must have been one helluva fight in Bucha. Tbh, no wonder so many civilians are dead with fighting like that on their streets. How horrible.
 
The Russians thought Ukraine would put up no resistance. They thought the Ukrainian army was still the joke it was in 2014.
 
That must have been one helluva fight in Bucha. Tbh, no wonder so many civilians are dead with fighting like that on their streets. How horrible.

Very few civilian dead on Yablonska Street due to the close-quarters fighting which was confined to a narrow lane.

Most of the civilian dead in Bucha were murdered.

Since some of the murdered Bucha civilians were beheaded, this points to a Chechen volunteer unit fighting with the Russian military.
 
The Russians thought Ukraine would put up no resistance. They thought the Ukrainian army was still the joke it was in 2014.
A lot of foreign-assisted training can go on in 8 years.
 
That must have been one helluva fight in Bucha. Tbh, no wonder so many civilians are dead with fighting like that on their streets. How horrible.

Stray rounds don't tie your hands behind your back when they hit you.
 
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