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Russian warships: Why are they sailing toward Syria?

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It appears we have sent a 135C that will be monitoring for Nukes and could possibly detect Chems. We also now are talking about using Bombers. That's Right.....Bombers. Hope they are Unmanned ones.

Russian warships – at least three of them – are on their way to the eastern Mediterranean waters off Syria. A Russian official says they are a means for Russian civilians to escape Syria in the event of US airstrikes. But the ships can do oh so much more.

Russian warships are gathering in the waters off Syria. According to AFP, three ships from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet sailed through Turkey’s Bosphorus Strait on Thursday: the SSV-201 intelligence-gathering ship Priazovye, and the landing ships Minsk and Novocherkassk.

More might be on the way. A frigate and another landing ship are ready to head to the eastern Mediterranean from the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol, according to CBS News.

Why is Moscow ordering so much sea power to the region?

US and Russian warships are not the only military assets now gathering in the region.

American and allied aircraft are assembling at bases near – or on the way to – Syria, as well. US cargo aircraft are flying into Incirlik in southern Turkey, according to the plane-tracking blog "The Aviationist."

France has moved two Atlantique reconnaissance and signal intelligence aircraft to a base on Cyprus. In late August, a US WC-135C atmospheric collection aircraft was spotted flying east south of Great Britain. Generally considered a radiation monitoring asset, the WC-135C might be able to detect release of chemical weapons.

Given the delay as the US Congress debates whether to authorize limited Syrian action, the Pentagon has been refining its target set. Bombers as well as cruise missiles may now be needed to carry out US plans.

If that’s so, tanker aircraft will also have to preposition along attack routes. A B-2 stealth bomber would require five refuelings to reach Syria from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri.....snip~

Russian warships: Why are they sailing toward Syria?
 
Post G20 summit war tools positioning. Silence in the media.

I think it all awaits a momentum. Should USA choose to strike you would have strong tone in the Congress why it is right to do so.
 
Post G20 summit war tools positioning. Silence in the media.

I think it all awaits a momentum. Should USA choose to strike you would have strong tone in the Congress why it is right to do so.

Well at least so far with the Senate.....those guys are all for some action. Johnny Quest McCain is so ecstatic he looks like he is about to wet himself. :shock:

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Russia wants to insure that it keeps the port and will over-protect to establish such.
 
Russia wants to insure that it keeps the port and will over-protect to establish such.

So.....do you think they will get to keep it? If things are like Graham says and its all a prelude to Iran and that is imminent. Then why wouldn't the Russians see that and do what they gotta do.
 
So.....do you think they will get to keep it? If things are like Graham says and its all a prelude to Iran and that is imminent. Then why wouldn't the Russians see that and do what they gotta do.

Absolutely, Russia keeps the port. I believe they will also be promised oil pipeline projects to make up for revenue lost in regime change.

Russia has no intention of going to war for (or against) the Iranian regime.
 
I wonder what would happen if the rebels seize control of that port? Would Russia hesitate to send forces to intervene

Rebels do not have such capability, nor would they be allowed (by the SNC) to attempt such. If a terrorist group attempts such, Russia will slaughter their attempt.
 
Absolutely, Russia keeps the port. I believe they will also be promised oil pipeline projects to make up for revenue lost in regime change.

Russia has no intention of going to war for (or against) the Iranian regime.

So then.....you think there was a deal with the Saud and the Russians over gas revenues for Europe then Right? Like they had up before.

Do you think Russia can say screw it we don't need any other allies but China going forward?
 
I wonder what would happen if the rebels seize control of that port? Would Russia hesitate to send forces to intervene

Russia has forces in Tartus.....the Rebels don't have what it takes to take it from them.
 
So then.....you think there was a deal with the Saud and the Russians over gas revenues for Europe then Right? Like they had up before.

I'm not sure the parties involved nor the specific revenues regarding Saudi. I've heard that Syria has been thinking about a pipeline for awhile. Russia could be promised the foreign contract to build and maintain those pipelines to make up for lost revenue.

Do you think Russia can say screw it we don't need any other allies but China going forward?

No, China is largely independent.
 
Absolutely, Russia keeps the port. I believe they will also be promised oil pipeline projects to make up for revenue lost in regime change.

Russia has no intention of going to war for (or against) the Iranian regime.

Russia didn't directly engage us in Vietnam or Korea but, their proxies did. This situation could go beyond a proxy war.
 
This situation could go beyond a proxy war.

No, it can't. Russia is not going to war against the West for Assad nor the Iranian regime.
 
The only Russian warship worth mentioning in the Mediterranean currently is the guided-missile cruiser Moskva.
 
It appears we have sent a 135C that will be monitoring for Nukes and could possibly detect Chems. We also now are talking about using Bombers. That's Right.....Bombers. Hope they are Unmanned ones.

Russian warships – at least three of them – are on their way to the eastern Mediterranean waters off Syria. A Russian official says they are a means for Russian civilians to escape Syria in the event of US airstrikes. But the ships can do oh so much more.

Russian warships are gathering in the waters off Syria. According to AFP, three ships from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet sailed through Turkey’s Bosphorus Strait on Thursday: the SSV-201 intelligence-gathering ship Priazovye, and the landing ships Minsk and Novocherkassk.

More might be on the way. A frigate and another landing ship are ready to head to the eastern Mediterranean from the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol, according to CBS News.

Why is Moscow ordering so much sea power to the region?

US and Russian warships are not the only military assets now gathering in the region.

American and allied aircraft are assembling at bases near – or on the way to – Syria, as well. US cargo aircraft are flying into Incirlik in southern Turkey, according to the plane-tracking blog "The Aviationist."

France has moved two Atlantique reconnaissance and signal intelligence aircraft to a base on Cyprus. In late August, a US WC-135C atmospheric collection aircraft was spotted flying east south of Great Britain. Generally considered a radiation monitoring asset, the WC-135C might be able to detect release of chemical weapons.

Given the delay as the US Congress debates whether to authorize limited Syrian action, the Pentagon has been refining its target set. Bombers as well as cruise missiles may now be needed to carry out US plans.

If that’s so, tanker aircraft will also have to preposition along attack routes. A B-2 stealth bomber would require five refuelings to reach Syria from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri.....snip~

Russian warships: Why are they sailing toward Syria?
I think this'll definitely be a proxy war. The Russians have already sent Assad SAM's capable of reaching into Israeli airspace, and I doubt that is all they sold them. I'm sure there was something on the side, kept under the table.
 
No, it can't. Russia is not going to war against the West for Assad nor the Iranian regime.

Well they don't have to.....if going forward they think that they will be isolated. Then they would be looking at their own interests.
 
No, it can't. Russia is not going to war against the West for Assad nor the Iranian regime.

Stranger things have happened. If you think Russia, who actually has horses in the race, are just going to sit by and let us have our way, UR dreaming.
 
Simpleχity;1062286696 said:
The only Russian warship worth mentioning in the Mediterranean currently is the guided-missile cruiser Moskva.

Mornin Simplexity. :2wave: That's not really true at all. :shock:

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Three additional Russian warships – SSV-201 intelligence ship Priazovye and two landing ships Minsk and Novocherkassk crossed Bosphorus strait, France Press agency reported from Istanbul.

Russian warships are on their way to the Syrian coast, says the Agency


•Three Russian Military Vessels To Enter Mediterranean Tomorrow (rickrozoff.wordpress.com)
•Russian destroyer enters east Mediterranean to head task force – report (rt.com)
•Russia Sends Missile Cruiser to the Mediterranean (syria360.wordpress.com)
•Russia Sends Two Marine-Carrying Ships To The Mediterranean (blacklistednews.com)
•Iranian naval commander raises possibility of deployment in the Mediterranean (terminalx.org)
•More Russian naval presence near Syria (thehindu.com)
•Russia sends military reconnaissance ship to Syrian coast (theguardian.com)
•Russian Destroyer Enters East Mediterranean To Head Task Force – Report (thecontroversialfiles.net)......snip~ <<<<< All links. ;)

Russian Warships Cross Bosphorus « Reality Check
 
Well they don't have to.....if going forward they think that they will be isolated. Then they would be looking at their own interests.

Their relationship with the West is not so bad that they would start a war with NATO. Not for Assad and not for the Grand Pubah.
 
Stranger things have happened.

If that's all you have left, I think the debate is over and you lose.


If you think Russia, who actually has horses in the race, are just going to sit by and let us have our way, UR dreaming.

I've clearly and concisely presented my expectations regarding appeasing Russia herein. I dunno how you missed that, try looking again.
 
Here is a map that Coin had up.

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Three additional Russian warships – SSV-201 intelligence ship Priazovye and two landing ships Minsk and Novocherkassk crossed Bosphorus strait, France Press agency reported from Istanbul.


The landing ships will serve for the evacuation of (civilian) Russian personnel in the event of chaos resulting from Assad falling. It's most likely that the UN supported SNC will be able to secure law and order, but Russia must be prepared.
 
I think this'll definitely be a proxy war. The Russians have already sent Assad SAM's capable of reaching into Israeli airspace, and I doubt that is all they sold them. I'm sure there was something on the side, kept under the table.

Heya SB. :2wave: Yeah they have a bit more than can just reach out and touch Israel. They may be even able to hit our ships. Course now with us thinking of using Bombers. That probability is greater.

While they agree that the S-300s are more accurate and have greater range than Assad’s current weapons systems, they say the Syrian leader is far from powerless without them. “We have seen over the past few years Russia supplying several different air-defense systems,” says Pieter Wezeman, senior researcher in the arms-transfer program of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks weapons flows worldwide. “They [Syrian government] have really increased their capability. The missiles are both short and long range. If the S-300s do arrive, that would top it all off.” <<<<< Which we know they arrived.

Among the missiles already in place are two regiments of S-200 surface-to-air missiles, which have a range of about 150 miles, “with no less than 240 missiles ready to be fired in a matter of minutes,” says Igor Sutyagin, a Russian military scientist and senior researcher at the London think tank, Royal United Services Institute. Sutyagin, who was jailed in Russia on charges of spying for the U.S. and freed as part of a spy-prisoner swap in 2010, says Assad “has a lot” of air-defense systems acquired from Russia, including between 12 and 20 short-range missile systems called Pantsyr-S, which have a range of about 7.5 miles and which can be mounted on vehicles. Those were delivered to Syria about a year ago, in what he believes is the latest confirmed arms shipment from Moscow. In addition, Assad has 1,200 air-defense guns and between 4,000 and 8,000 Strela portable shoulder-fired missiles. “That IS the GREAT stockpile of Russian air defense weaponry.

Since Syrian rebels have no airplanes for Syrian forces to shoot down, Assad’s impressive air-defense arsenal has little bearing on the grueling war that has ravaged large parts of the country and killed an estimated 90,000 Syrians. But the antiaircraft weapons would be crucial if the U.N. voted to impose a no-fly zone over Syria or if Israel expands its sporadic strikes on Syria into a sustained bombing campaign. At that point, the S-300 missiles, which have a longer range and greater accuracy than Assad’s current weaponry, could inflict bigger losses and strike deep into Israel in retaliation — hence, Israel’s fury over the arms deal. With the S-300s in place, says Wezeman, “If Israel starts an air campaign, they would maybe lose a few more planes than they have until now. It is not a system which cannot be destroyed, but it would be a bigger campaign,” he says.

Syria’s military arsenal presents the West with a far different calculus, in part explaining why no Western country has intervened militarily so far. While Gaddafi had huge stocks of weaponry, including Russian and Chinese antiaircraft missiles, much of it was discovered after Gaddafi was killed in October 2011, lying unused in warehouses. That suggested that the Libyan military did not know how to install the new weapon systems or had not had time to do so, according to military analysts. And Assad could also have learned some lessons from Gaddafi’s spectacular defeat. Gaddafi lacked long-range missiles capable of combating the high-altitude bombing strikes that NATO fighter jets conducted over Libya. “It’s against these types of operations that, for example, the S-300s or other SAMs [surface-to-air missiles] could be used with some efficiency,” Wezeman says. “In Libya the systems were old and out of date, and the Libyans did not really know how to operate them. It would be much more difficult for outsiders to intervene in Syria, in the way that took place in Libya.”.....snip~

Syria's Air-Defense Arsenal: Russian Missiles Keeping Assad in Power | TIME.com

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...ama-moves-us-naval-forces-closer-syria-9.html
 
Moskva is an old battle-ship, landing ships and the rest are useless in direct naval confrontation against modern destroyers and an aircraft carrier with its full escort...
The most they can do is to "show presence", gather "intelligence", and carry land-sea rescue operations if/when needed.

Cheers,
Fallen.
 
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