Russian Duma Approves Bill Raising Age Limit For Military Personnel To 65

[Rogue Valley]

Russian Duma Approves Bill Raising Age Limit For Military Personnel To 65

Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved a bill that would raise the upper age limit for military personnel serving in the Russian Army on a contractual basis.

www.rferl.org

5.25.22
MOSCOW -- Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved a bill that would raise the upper age limit for military personnel serving in the Russian Army on a contractual basis. According to the bill, which had all three readings approved on May 25, men up to age 65 will now be eligible to serve in the army. The new limit also applies to foreign nationals wishing to serve in the army as well. Current law allows Russian men up to 40 years of age and foreigners up to 30 to serve in the army. The bill's authors, lawmakers Andrei Kartapolov and Andrei Krasov, said the raised limit would help attract new specialists with "required skills," namely medical personnel and engineers. The bill was approved amid Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, launched on February 24. Russia has met fierce resistance from Ukrainian forces, with many Western intelligence officials saying Moscow expected a quick end to the fighting. Instead, they say, its troops have suffered thousands of casualties as the war got bogged down. Russia has not recently revealed a death toll for the invasion.

Maybe these are the prospective crewmen for the T-62 tanks that Russia is taking out of mothballs?

Russia Deploys 50-Year-Old T-62 Tanks To Ukraine Front

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[Nomad4Ever]

Maybe these are the prospective crewmen for the T-62 tanks that Russia is taking out of mothballs?

Makes sense. They might be old enough to have trained how to use them

 

[yankintx]

When you start extending the retirement age for your military, you got serous problems.

 

[PoS]

Wow, Russia must be worse off than I ever realized.

 

[Michael McMahon]

Sentinel: "a soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch."

Perhaps back-up roles like bodyguard and sentinel duties might require less training resources for inexperienced foreign recruits.



"Ukraine seems to be doing both screening and training on its bases in western Ukraine. By putting new foreign recruits through a screening and training process, it can weed out the unsuitable and enhance the skills of the valuable. Ukraine needs to formalize this structure lest war tourists operate independently, make a few social media posts about their heroism and then their disappointments, and head home having added nothing but delegitimized the military effort."

Foreign Volunteers in Ukraine: Warfighters or Propaganda Tools?

Ukraine failed in its initial efforts to establish a legion of foreign volunteers. History tells us that successful foreign volunteer efforts need screening, training, discipline, and organization.

www.csis.org

 

[Roadvirus]

Now Putzin is planning on using old people as cannon fodder?

 

[EnigmaO01]

Russian Duma Approves Bill Raising Age Limit For Military Personnel To 65

Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved a bill that would raise the upper age limit for military personnel serving in the Russian Army on a contractual basis.

www.rferl.org

Maybe these are the prospective crewmen for the T-62 tanks that Russia is taking out of mothballs?

Russia Deploys 50-Year-Old T-62 Tanks To Ukraine Front

Russia Deploys 50-Year-Old T-62 Tanks To Ukraine Front 5.25.22 Numerous Cold-War era Russian T-62 tanks have been photographed at Melitopol railway station in southeastern Ukraine near the current front lines of the three-month-old conflict in the country. The new development comes after...

debatepolitics.com

Even the Germans that were desperate in WWII stopped at age 60. I believe the U.S. stopped at age 45 in WWII.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Makes sense. They might be old enough to have trained how to use them

 

[yankintx]

Even the Germans that were desperate in WWII stopped at age 60. I believe the U.S. stopped at age 45 in WWII.

The current max age for enlisted in US military is 50

But there are always exceptions to policy

 

[EnigmaO01]

The current max age for enlisted in US military is 50

But there are always exceptions to policy

That's news to me. Are you sure?

For the Army, the maximum age is 35. For the Navy, age waivers start at 34-years-old. For the Air Force, the maximum age allowed to join is 39-years-old. The Marines have the lowest maximum age for regular military service at 28-years-old.

How Old Can You Be to Enlist in the Military?

Frequently asked questions about the U.S. military have a lot to do with age! What is the maximum age to enlist?

www.thebalancecareers.com

 

[Michael McMahon]

Just imagine if there was a rebellion against a future tyranny in America where the rebel leaders had to reject many private gunowners with unproven marksmanship. This is why training courses offered in gun clubs, reserve military regiments and militias could all help in qualifying shooters.

'Ukraine's embassy sent him an email last week confirming that it's only accepting applications from people "who have military or medical skills." Ecklund said some applicants have received rejection letters.
"By limiting the people that can sign up to those with a background of military and police, it will significantly lower the training required in theatre," he said...
They all said that Canadians shouldn't join the fight in Ukraine unless they're former soldiers — because if they don't have the skills, they might be a liability for those around them.'

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6381650

 

[Rogue Valley]

Just imagine if there was a rebellion against a future tyranny in America where the rebel leaders had to reject many private gunowners with unproven marksmanship. This is why training courses offered in gun clubs, reserve military regiments and militias could all help in qualifying shooters.

'Ukraine's embassy sent him an email last week confirming that it's only accepting applications from people "who have military or medical skills." Ecklund said some applicants have received rejection letters.
"By limiting the people that can sign up to those with a background of military and police, it will significantly lower the training required in theatre," he said...
They all said that Canadians shouldn't join the fight in Ukraine unless they're former soldiers — because if they don't have the skills, they might be a liability for those around them.'

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6381650

Ukraine doesn't need Sunday morning cowboys or individuals with mental problems.

Ukraine is a hot war and anyone volunteering to fight over there should have a comensurate resumé.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Ukraine doesn't need Sunday morning cowboys or individuals with mental problems.

Ukraine is a hot war and anyone volunteering to fight over there should have a comensurate resumé.

Very true. Poorly trained or incompetent people can get others killed. We used to joke that we would have to take this one guy in my ANG unit out behind a building, and shoot him in the head if we got activated, as he would probably get somebody killed. He was constantly making mistakes and that's not a good thing when switching from BDU's (bomb dummy units) to the real McCoy. Personally think he had brain damage from drinking too much.

 

[Michael McMahon]

Poorly trained or incompetent people can get others killed.

I understand what you're saying. If your role is to provide covering fire and you fail, then you've abandoned those that you were meant to be protecting. If you're on night duty and you don't report an enemy advancement, then you've exposed your sleeping comrades to enemy fire. Another risk is a sniper charged with assassinating a critical target where there might not be another opportunity to attack the same person again. Missing the shot would be tantamount to allowing the target to continue endangering your side. So I believe you're right that underqualified foreign recruits shouldn't be tasked with paramount roles. But there are plenty of secondary positions that don't require the same level of responsibility. For example, some snipers are capable of working solo. Two-man teams of foreign volunteers could work independently of the Ukrainian army command if they felt they were being under-resourced and used as "cannon fodder". Needless to say you'd have to be well aware of the uniforms so as to avoid friendly fire!

We used to joke that we would have to take this one guy in my ANG unit out behind a building, and shoot him in the head if we got activated, as he would probably get somebody killed.

Not having the resources to rescue foreign recruits is much less worse than executing them for underperformance!

"Brigadier-General Frank Percy Crozier admitted he ordered the shooting of sentries who fell asleep while on duty."

Executions in the First World War

Executions in the First World War

spartacus-educational.com

Black Hawk Down - Delta Snipers

Pilot 1: There's a crowd advancing 6/7 blocks from the crash. (The 2 soldiers) request permission to go in and secure a perimeter until a convoy arrives.
Pilot 2: Crowds are in the hundreds now. From where they are now they can see things better than any of us. They know what they're asking.
General: Let me talk to them... You realise that I cannot tell you when (the ground support will arrive)? It could take quite a while... It's your call (pilot 2).
Pilot 2: Roger that... send them in.

 

[Michael McMahon]

Ukraine doesn't need Sunday morning cowboys or individuals with mental problems.

Ukraine is a hot war and anyone volunteering to fight over there should have a comensurate resumé.

I think it depends how desperate the situation is. Professional soldiers are by definition more skilled than amateurs. However sometimes armies recruit even criminals in case they'll be outnumbered on the battlefield. Sometimes it takes more skill to survive cunningly than it does to die bravely!

"During the First World War Britain’s criminals were mobilized in much the same way as the rest of society. Courts allowed defendants to avoid prison if they enlisted, while borstal boys, and later adult prisoners, were also granted early release. Although enlistment offered a chance for rehabilitation, criminals were also desirable due to their violent nature, and enlisting them reduced the cost of imprisonment at a time of straitened economic circumstances."
https://academic.oup.com/histres/article/94/265/578/6285651

 

[Rogue Valley]

I think it depends how desperate the situation is. Professional soldiers are by definition more skilled than amateurs. However sometimes armies recruit even criminals in case they'll be outnumbered on the battlefield. Sometimes it takes more skill to survive cunningly than it does to die bravely!

"During the First World War Britain’s criminals were mobilized in much the same way as the rest of society. Courts allowed defendants to avoid prison if they enlisted, while borstal boys, and later adult prisoners, were also granted early release. Although enlistment offered a chance for rehabilitation, criminals were also desirable due to their violent nature, and enlisting them reduced the cost of imprisonment at a time of straitened economic circumstances."
https://academic.oup.com/histres/article/94/265/578/6285651

Russia has a law stating that conscripted soldiers are not permitted to fight in foreign lands.

As far as ctiminals, the Russian military has plenty of criminals as does the Wagner Group.

 

[Michael McMahon]

"Soldiers rotated into and out of the front lines to provide a break from the stress of combat. They spent four to six days in the front trenches before moving back and spending an equal number of days in the secondary and, finally, the reserve trenches. This system of rotation, along with occasional leave to England, prevented many soldiers from breaking down."
https://www.warmuseum.ca/firstworldwar/history/life-at-the-front/behind-the-front-lines/

The only advantage of fighting as a lone wolf in a conflict is the ability to decide your own recreation time. If you haven't joined a military then you're not obliged to stay there for the duration of the conflict.

 

[Michael McMahon]

Volunteer bodyguards from foreign countries might be able to assist military medics and protect Ukrainian refugees during evacuation.


Ukraine War: The volunteer ambulance saving injured soldiers

 

[Michael McMahon]

Standing sentry far from the battle lines might sound boring but there are real benefits. Firstly a foreign sentry will free up the cautious role of a Ukrainian soldier so that the native soldier can now head to the front lines. Secondly a large reserve force is a visible deterrent to Russian advances.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The international Foreign Legion is a part of the UAF.

 

[Michael McMahon]

The international Foreign Legion is a part of the UAF.

A basic military unit need only contain 7 to 10 members. So foreign volunteers could also form their own squads. Then they could ally themselves with a battalion if joining the battalian directly would carry co-ordination difficulties. The language barrier is one such hurdle where volunteers could associate themselves with those who speak their own language.

"Calling themselves the Bob Marley Volunteer Defence Squad, the group of roughly 10 young Ukrainians first banded together as to defend their homeland when Russia annexed Crimea and stoked conflict in the east of the country in 2014, as part of one of the dozens of powerful volunteer battalions that formed to help Ukraine’s underfunded, outgunned military take the fight to the enemy."
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kbyqe/ukraine-war-bob-marley-squad

"The squad is a soldier’s most intimate group, consisting of six to ten soldiers. A squad is commanded by a staff sergeant or sergeant."
https://www.thirteen.org/blog-post/u-s-army-units-explained-from-squads-to-brigades-to-corps/

 

[Rogue Valley]

A basic military unit need only contain 7 to 10 members. So foreign volunteers could also form their own squads. Then they could ally themselves with a battalion if joining the battalian directly would carry co-ordination difficulties. The language barrier is one such hurdle where volunteers could associate themselves with those who speak their own language.

"Calling themselves the Bob Marley Volunteer Defence Squad, the group of roughly 10 young Ukrainians first banded together as to defend their homeland when Russia annexed Crimea and stoked conflict in the east of the country in 2014, as part of one of the dozens of powerful volunteer battalions that formed to help Ukraine’s underfunded, outgunned military take the fight to the enemy."
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kbyqe/ukraine-war-bob-marley-squad

"The squad is a soldier’s most intimate group, consisting of six to ten soldiers. A squad is commanded by a staff sergeant or sergeant."
https://www.thirteen.org/blog-post/u-s-army-units-explained-from-squads-to-brigades-to-corps/

Status of Foreign Fighters in the Ukrainian Legion

 

[Michael McMahon]

"The White House accused Moscow on Friday of sending saboteurs into eastern Ukraine to stage an incident that could provide President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia with a pretext for ordering an invasion of the country. The administration did not release details of the evidence it had collected, but Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, said the operatives were trained in urban warfare and explosives."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/us/politics/russia-ukraine-us-intelligence.html

If there was ever a limited war between America and another major military power, there'd be risks of sleeper units sent to sabotage American cities beforehand. Disarming potential spies is a good reason to implement gun control. A buyback scheme could be very affordable since so many civilian weapons in America are military grade and capable of being sold to domestic militias, gun clubs and foreign armies. A standard rifle could be up to 6 times longer than a handgun which would make long guns very visible to law enforcement officers if gun control was voted for.

 

[Michael McMahon]

I'm not sure if formal military training is really needed these days. I think an alternative recruitment checklist could be listening to a few rap sessions, watching some violent movies and concluding with a few erotic scenes!


Eminem - Soldier



FURY 2014: Ending full Fight scene



Pitch Perfect - Titanium Scene

 

[Rogue Valley]

I'm not sure if formal military training is really needed these days.

Ukraine demands a valid ID, passport, and documented proof of combat experience from all prospective volunteers.

They must also sit for an interview at the nearest Ukrainian embassy or consulate.