Russia trains for large-scale war

[Tangmo]

The author of the Forbes article says there is.


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Another off topic tantrum. Sigh.

He's the voice in the wilderness of the far out Right.

All your eggs are in one basket and the eggs are soft boiled.

Here again is what you ignore obliviously and what the author you cling to so desperately fails to address and also ignores:

Reagan disarmament negotiator Max Kampelman said he gained valuable information from Kennedy that he welcomed because the Soviets liked working with Kennedy as a back-door conduit of information. Kampelman wrote in his memoirs that, "I learned that the senator never acted or received information without informing the appropriate United States agency or official." Moreover Kampelman said that Reagan himself approved using Kennedy in this way and that Kampelman and Kennedy developed an excellent working relationship.

Kenneth Adelman is another Reagan administration official who dismissed the KGB memo. Adelman was director of US Arms Control Agency and had been deputy US Ambassador to the UN. "We knew senators were doing this sort of thing all the time and we ignored it," Adelman said. "We didn’t think it [the KGB memo] was important, and it wasn’t. The administration didn’t care about it."

Stephen Cohen, a political scientist at Princeton University and New York University, said that KGB memos shouldn’t be taken at face value. "As someone who has worked for years in once closed Soviet-era archives, I can tell you that many false documents can be found there," Cohen told PunditFact. "As the saying goes, rubbish in, rubbish out."

Pointing out the obvious to the oblivious is what I do.

Not only are you barking up the wrong tree, you're in the wrong forest.

 

[Tangmo]

One thing you will learn here is that TDS is a serious epidemic. Absolutely everything somehow has to relate to the President, no matter what it is.

It is rather interesting reading this, because I am only seeing the comments of 1 of the 3 people involved. I have found it much easier in my life to simply not even read what some say, because they are normally only barely logical rants that are entirely about their politics at heart.

As for the original post, I still largely do not care. We do the same thing every year here in the US, and frankly I am getting sick and tired of fighting the Donovians who keep trying to attack Atropia every year for the last decade.

It's an odd contradiction.

You over there are tired of winning while you've only been losing. Neither can we be sure of what exactly you all are whining about.

Because your losing to date is only a warmup to the huge losing that's already taking shape. It seems too that Putin and His Gang are tired of Trump's wild inconsistencies, his unreliable servitude and his totally erratic conduct and behaviors. Trump is an anarchist and nihilist so you get what you pay for.

 

[Fledermaus]

This is a failure trap of culture and intellect that is common among rightwing veterans, retired career nco lifers especially and in particular. The ones who present their far right views publicly for the purpose of exploiting their personal military history against civilian society. It is the attempt to legitimize their right wing politics and authoritarian ex cathedra views and culture. The statements are both arbitrary and summary conclusions and pronouncements that always fall down completely when they are issued. No exception.

More Tangmobabble Insulting people who actually served.....

 

[Tangmo]

I know a retired coaster nco lifer who some years ago here said I wuz a kid in Hong Kong posting on a lark. That's the same pathetic kind of stuff we got from Trump when he said absurdly critics of him were 500 pound guys posting from a basement somewhere. It reminds me of my debonair and impeccable high school algebra teacher everyone loved who liked to tweak such shared commonalities by quipping that great minds run in the same channel -- and empty into the same sewer.

My post quoted above was in reply to the poster who tried to assert that another poster who says credibly he is on active duty in the US armed forces sounds too young to be a soldier. So while numbnuts in their deadhead claims are my opponents here I nonetheless gain by it, because it leaves me feeling awfully good personally although I feel sad for DP that it has managed to attract such bottomless types. There are a lot of 'em in fact and they're over there on that side.

 

[Fledermaus]

I know a retired coaster nco lifer who some years ago here said I wuz a kid in Hong Kong posting on a lark. That's the same pathetic kind of stuff we got from Trump when he said absurdly critics of him were 500 pound guys posting from a basement somewhere. It reminds me of my debonair and impeccable high school algebra teacher everyone loved who liked to tweak such shared commonalities by quipping that great minds run in the same channel -- and empty into the same sewer.

My post quoted above was in reply to the poster who tried to assert that another poster who says credibly he is on active duty in the US armed forces sounds too young to be a soldier. So while numbnuts in their deadhead claims are my opponents here I nonetheless gain by it, because it leaves me feeling awfully good personally although I feel sad for DP that it has managed to attract such bottomless types. There are a lot of 'em in fact and they're over there on that side.

Please reformat into grown-up English and then have the balls to respond directly to the poster...

 

[Tangmo]

The Rule for One Only is to kiss my ring first along with whatever else is on the mind.


Russia btw is not going to engage the United States militarily. The Russian army is predominantly conscripts for a term of one year so it won't last a week engaged against USA armed forces and our capabilities, which includes a force of combat veterans of infantry, artillery/missiles, armor and support components of every kind. Very few here seem attentive to the thread or its topic however. It seems instead almost everyone the rightwing disagrees with is a kid posting from some basement somewhere far away. Retired nco lifer rightwingers are the worst offenders by far. There's just no respectable debating of any such tantrums as we see before us.

Fail.

And flail.

 

[Fledermaus]

The Rule for One Only is to kiss my ring first along with whatever else is on the mind.


Russia btw is not going to engage the United States militarily. The Russian army is predominantly conscripts for a term of one year so it won't last a week engaged against USA armed forces and our capabilities, which includes a force of combat veterans of infantry, artillery/missiles, armor and support components of every kind. Very few here seem attentive to the thread or its topic however. It seems instead almost everyone the rightwing disagrees with is a kid posting from some basement somewhere far away. Retired nco lifer rightwingers are the worst offenders by far. There's just no respectable debating of any such tantrums as we see before us.

Fail.

And flail.

More cowardice.

No surprise

 

[Tigerace117]

When 70,000 face off against over 100,000 who are entrenched in a defensive position? That is not combat prowess, that is actually a typical result.

If Lee was smart, he would have tried again another day, but he had the bull by the horns, and was convinced he would win yet again through his tactics.

But your constant remarks really mean nothing. It is like claiming the defeat of Germany in WWII meant something other than it did. Nobody on either side denies that Germany had many of the best soldiers and Generals in the war, but there was no way they could have won against the numbers facing them.

I suggest you stop giving political pontifications and simply sticking to the facts themselves.

Nobody who isn't a Wehraboo also claims the Wehrmacht were the finest soldiers in human history.....like apdst has been claiming about his beloved slavers. Funny how you missed that in favor of whining about "we wuz robbed because you damnyankees had so many men".

Lee, like so many of the other Confederates--and judging by apdst, southerners today---, lived under the delusion that northerner could not fight and would be crushed by his troops no matter what.

That's why he threw his troops in that fateful final time at Pickett's Charge. He simply could not handle the fact that northerners had beaten him.

Those are the facts.

 

[Tigerace117]

You continue to ignore the contributions cavalry made In the war. And I have already stated teh LACK of cavalry reconnaissance at Gettysburg was an issue.

And Other than Custer who else?

I see you've managed to dance away from my pointing out that Villa got smashed due to his obsession with the idea of cavalry strikes.

Unsurprisingly.

As I said before pinprick raids which at most inconvenienced the North do not count as a contribution.

Another example.....

Fetterman Fight - Wikipedia

 

[Oozlefinch]

Nobody who isn't a Wehraboo also claims the Wehrmacht were the finest soldiers in human history.....like apdst has been claiming about his beloved slavers. Funny how you missed that in favor of whining about "we wuz robbed because you damnyankees had so many men".

Lee, like so many of the other Confederates--and judging by apdst, southerners today---, lived under the delusion that northerner could not fight and would be crushed by his troops no matter what.

That is not what I said at all, do not twist what I said into something else completely different.

I did not say they "were the finest soldiers", I specifically said "had many of the best soldiers and Generals", and that is what I meant. Do not try to imply I said anything more than "many of the best". That is not the same thing as "were the best".

You have to remember, I say what I mean, and do not try to cloud the issues by saying one thing and trying to imply something completely different.

Now, if I was honestly asked if I think man for man the German soldiers were better than most of the others they fought against, I would say yes. But not for any of the racist "Aryan Power" type of coprolite most would throw out. That would be because of other completely different reasons. For one, the Soviets had largely gutted their best. And in France and the UK being a Soldier outside of war was never a very prestigious career. It tended to attract those with little other choices, not the "best and finest".

But for almost a decade prior to the war Germany had been "militarizing" large segments of their own population. Hitler Youth, German Labor Front (DAF), National Socialist People's Welfare (NSV), and a great many other programs starting in 1933 essentially "militarized" huge segments of the German population. Essentially creating military type organizations with the discipline that makes good soldiers, but without the guns.

Take citizens, form them into Squads and Brigades, and have them work as teams in building roads and bridges, clearing forests, and farming the land. Then after doing that for a few years you simply put them in a uniform and teach them how to fire guns. By then they already have years of experience in following orders and working as a unit. Before the war broke out, over 4 million Germans had worked through those programs. Gaining many skills that were later put to use on the battlefield.

By the time of WWII, most of the WWI veterans were greybeards and most who were actually fighting had little experience. On all sides. But when one side has had years of regimented training and discipline (even if gained in a "civilian" aspect) and the other has not, of course the former will perform better on average. The other side had to gain that kind of experience the hard way, on the battlefield. And by the end, the survivors were all pretty much equal.

 

[Fledermaus]

I see you've managed to dance away from my pointing out that Villa got smashed due to his obsession with the idea of cavalry strikes.

Unsurprisingly.

As I said before pinprick raids which at most inconvenienced the North do not count as a contribution.

Another example.....

Fetterman Fight - Wikipedia

Cavalry continued to be used long after Villa.

Cavalry's contributions during and after the civil war is lost on you.

Basic military maxim. You can't fight them if you don't know where they are.

It was the LACK of cavalry that hamstrung Lee at Gettysburg.

Your obsession with fighting losing causes is cute.

Oh, Fettermans' Massacre....

Strength = 79 soldiers, 2 civilians vs. around 1,000 warriors....

Yeah, real show of the cavalry failing.

Derp.

 

[Tigerace117]

Cavalry continued to be used long after Villa.

Cavalry's contributions during and after the civil war is lost on you.

Basic military maxim. You can't fight them if you don't know where they are.

It was the LACK of cavalry that hamstrung Lee at Gettysburg.

Your obsession with fighting losing causes is cute.

Oh, Fettermans' Massacre....

Strength = 79 soldiers, 2 civilians vs. around 1,000 warriors....

Yeah, real show of the cavalry failing.

Derp.

Yes, they were used.....and accomplished rather little.

They did manage to pile up quite a few corpses in front of the machine guns though.

Yes, I agree.....the cavalry's overaggression did produce a "derp".

Which is why they got slaughtered.

Yes, the Southern "superiority in cavalry" did not actually matter when push came to shove.

They were good at mildly inconvenicing the North.

Not much else.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yes, they were used.....and accomplished rather little.

Uneducated opinion noted.

They did manage to pile up quite a few corpses in front of the machine guns though.

And? So did infantry. By the millions. Is infantry obsolete?

Yes, I agree.....the cavalry's overaggression did produce a "derp".

Fetterman had both infantry and cavalry, 49 infantrymen of the 18th Infantry and 27 mounted troopers of the 2nd Cavalry. Both were slaughtered.

Which is why they got slaughtered.

27 troopers vs. 1000 warriors in ambush.

Yes, the Southern "superiority in cavalry" did not actually matter when push came to shove.

Uneducated opinion noted.

Nathan Bedford Forrest and his West Tennessee raids are things of legend. His destroy railroads around Grant's headquarters, cut telegraph lines, purloined weapons and supplies and generally raissed hell. He pinned down thousands of Union troops in an effort to hunt him down. Grant delayed the Vicksburg campaign as a result.

They were good at mildly inconvenicing the North.

Forcing changes in strategy is not "mildly inconvenicing".

Not much else.

Blatantly incorrect.

 

[beerftw]

The Rule for One Only is to kiss my ring first along with whatever else is on the mind.


Russia btw is not going to engage the United States militarily. The Russian army is predominantly conscripts for a term of one year so it won't last a week engaged against USA armed forces and our capabilities, which includes a force of combat veterans of infantry, artillery/missiles, armor and support components of every kind. Very few here seem attentive to the thread or its topic however. It seems instead almost everyone the rightwing disagrees with is a kid posting from some basement somewhere far away. Retired nco lifer rightwingers are the worst offenders by far. There's just no respectable debating of any such tantrums as we see before us.

Fail.

And flail.

The mere fact you think russia would not last a week in a conflict not only shows how ill informed you are on the topic, but shows the failure of your understanding of the military. You claim to be a former officer and rag on nco's, yet no officer with half a brain would make the absurd claims you have and ever make it past captain, your own logic is the type that could wipe out brigades, a self sense of superiority to such a degree you think planning strategy and countermeasures are unneccessary.

Right wing lifer nco's are more in tune with the needs of the military then you are, they fought the wars and trained the soldiers, they have watched their brethren die in places like iraq and afghanistan and vietnam from the same hubris you spout, and know not to under estimate your enemy but rather understand and counter your enemy. I seriously doubt anyone in the army would let you progress past a butterbar if you were an officer and if they did they would throw you in a desk position so actual leaders could lead.

 

[beerftw]

It's an odd contradiction.

You over there are tired of winning while you've only been losing. Neither can we be sure of what exactly you all are whining about.

Because your losing to date is only a warmup to the huge losing that's already taking shape. It seems too that Putin and His Gang are tired of Trump's wild inconsistencies, his unreliable servitude and his totally erratic conduct and behaviors. Trump is an anarchist and nihilist so you get what you pay for.

You seem to be the only one I see losing around here, to date you seem to be the worst in the military forums, so bad you spam links about policies you do not understand and trash talk nco's, you lack certain military jargon and to be truthful anyone military can usually spot who is real and who is the faker just due to the jargon, no amount of google searches explains the jargon, you just simply need to live in the environment.

 

[Tangmo]

The mere fact you think russia would not last a week in a conflict not only shows how ill informed you are on the topic, but shows the failure of your understanding of the military. You claim to be a former officer and rag on nco's, yet no officer with half a brain would make the absurd claims you have and ever make it past captain, your own logic is the type that could wipe out brigades, a self sense of superiority to such a degree you think planning strategy and countermeasures are unneccessary.

Right wing lifer nco's are more in tune with the needs of the military then you are, they fought the wars and trained the soldiers, they have watched their brethren die in places like iraq and afghanistan and vietnam from the same hubris you spout, and know not to under estimate your enemy but rather understand and counter your enemy. I seriously doubt anyone in the army would let you progress past a butterbar if you were an officer and if they did they would throw you in a desk position so actual leaders could lead.

Your brain power in the first paragraph is on fade. My beef is not against active duty nco for whom I have a great respect, admiration and a lasting bond with several I served with in the 3rd Infantry Regiment in the Military District of Washington DC, which is part of the 5th Army headquartered in Colorado and responsible for the security and defense of CONUS. (Fifth Army troops are the ones at the southern border -- cheerlessly and dubiously I might add). NCO trained us in uni Rotc both on campus and in the vital FTX at AUS posts while officers up to LTC provided the education, direction and mentoring. Every uni Rotc cadet in each armed service is indebted to NCO for their expertise and their tact in being both hardass disciplinarians and wise Dutch uncle advisers. When NCO spoke we listened up and we listened good then we busted our ass to accomplish whatever it was and there was plenty.

My beef then is about rightwing retired rightwing lifer rightwing nco rightwingers who post their rightwing views publicly advocating rightwing views, positions, postures on public issues and personages -- which is the vast majority of 'em. Retired lifer nco who choose to publicize their rightwing views are predictably and almost invariably rightwingers. And they're consistently unpleasant about it and most often extremists to include the armband type of 'em. I'm speaking of the retired ones, not the active duty ones who focus on their active duty service as military personnel with a military mission they volunteered to do professionally.

Have a looksee:



My company is preceded by the colonial colors, Honor Guard Company E Echo. Alpha Company replicates the personal guard of Gen. Washington (who required select soldiers who were two things: clean shaven and sober). [7:43]


In 3 IR The Old Guard of the Army at Ft. Myer next to Pentagon and Arlington National Cemetery our regular duties included military honors funerals and NCO always set up everything for the officers and you should know that's the case throughout the armed forces even though you were a corporal/sp4 of NG. Three NCO in particular in my company championed me as I developed over the four years -- year by year approximately -- from ptn ldr, cpy xo, cpy cmdr, then btn adjutant s-1 (1st btn at the time which was many many moons ago). My chief NCO E-6 sponsor from my MS year 1 in senior Rotc was in 3 IR and went on to graduate OCS to retire more than three decades later as three-star commander of V Corps. Moreover it didn't hurt either the colonel thought the sun shone out my ass which a measly junior officer couldn't do better by. You wouldn't know but when you're an officer there are only two rules about your colonel: Rule One is the colonel is always right; Rule Two is that when the colonel is wrong see Rule Number One.

So you have no standing corporal and Putin errand boy when it comes to my honorable and regular active duty military service. Because we can see in the news currently what can happen to an active duty military guy who lets armband politics take control of his miserable life. Excellent work as usual by FBI and national security agencies to include the armed forces ones.

 

[Tangmo]

You seem to be the only one I see losing around here, to date you seem to be the worst in the military forums, so bad you spam links about policies you do not understand and trash talk nco's, you lack certain military jargon and to be truthful anyone military can usually spot who is real and who is the faker just due to the jargon, no amount of google searches explains the jargon, you just simply need to live in the environment.

Putin-Trump Fanboys speak.

Right Wingnut veteran of the enlisted military trying to capitalize on some certain low grade and rank of military history to try to promote the right wing agenda and Putin's malign designs for the USA and our Constitution.

Your chief problem over there is that Putin is a 21st century fascist supported by same, admired by same, promoted by same in pursuit of their agenda. From Manafort to Flynn to Trump Himself, among many others to include many we see here. I'll state this for as many times as it may need to be said. Because it is time to call a traitor a traitor. Past time in fact. The oath to the Constitution, i.e., We the People, means nothing to both you and to Trump among others to include $LTG$ Flynn and another of Trump's Charlottesville kind of good people LT Hassan. Hassan is America's would be Breivik and Trump Fanboy.

 

[Fledermaus]

Your brain power in the first paragraph is on fade. My beef is not against active duty nco for whom I have a great respect, admiration and a lasting bond with several I served with in the 3rd Infantry Regiment in the Military District of Washington DC, which is part of the 5th Army headquartered in Colorado and responsible for the security and defense of CONUS. (Fifth Army troops are the ones at the southern border -- cheerlessly and dubiously I might add). NCO trained us in uni Rotc both on campus and in the vital FTX at AUS posts while officers up to LTC provided the education, direction and mentoring. Every uni Rotc cadet in each armed service is indebted to NCO for their expertise and their tact in being both hardass disciplinarians and wise Dutch uncle advisers. When NCO spoke we listened up and we listened good then we busted our ass to accomplish whatever it was and there was plenty.

My beef then is about rightwing retired rightwing lifer rightwing nco rightwingers who post their rightwing views publicly advocating rightwing views, positions, postures on public issues and personages -- which is the vast majority of 'em. Retired lifer nco who choose to publicize their rightwing views are predictably and almost invariably rightwingers. And they're consistently unpleasant about it and most often extremists to include the armband type of 'em. I'm speaking of the retired ones, not the active duty ones who focus on their active duty service as military personnel with a military mission they volunteered to do professionally.

Have a looksee:



My company is preceded by the colonial colors, Honor Guard Company E Echo. Alpha Company replicates the personal guard of Gen. Washington (who required select soldiers who were two things: clean shaven and sober). [7:43]


In 3 IR The Old Guard of the Army at Ft. Myer next to Pentagon and Arlington National Cemetery our regular duties included military honors funerals and NCO always set up everything for the officers and you should know that's the case throughout the armed forces even though you were a corporal/sp4 of NG. Three NCO in particular in my company championed me as I developed over the four years -- year by year approximately -- from ptn ldr, cpy xo, cpy cmdr, then btn adjutant s-1 (1st btn at the time which was many many moons ago). My chief NCO E-6 sponsor from my MS year 1 in senior Rotc was in 3 IR and went on to graduate OCS to retire more than three decades later as three-star commander of V Corps. Moreover it didn't hurt either the colonel thought the sun shone out my ass which a measly junior officer couldn't do better by. You wouldn't know but when you're an officer there are only two rules about your colonel: Rule One is the colonel is always right; Rule Two is that when the colonel is wrong see Rule Number One.

So you have no standing corporal and Putin errand boy when it comes to my honorable and regular active duty military service. Because we can see in the news currently what can happen to an active duty military guy who lets armband politics take control of his miserable life. Excellent work as usual by FBI and national security agencies to include the armed forces ones.

Why lie?

You have trashed NCOs both past and present. You only changed your rants to "right wing" and past NCOs due to the blowback you received.

Add to that your constant derision for the AVF... The same AVF that you believe would carry the day against the Russian Bear.

No officer in the US military past or present would post the lies, libel, nonsense or ignorance you have posted.

 

[Fledermaus]

Your brain power in the first paragraph is on fade. My beef is not against active duty nco for whom I have a great respect, admiration and a lasting bond with several I served with in the 3rd Infantry Regiment in the Military District of Washington DC, which is part of the 5th Army headquartered in Colorado and responsible for the security and defense of CONUS. (Fifth Army troops are the ones at the southern border -- cheerlessly and dubiously I might add). NCO trained us in uni Rotc both on campus and in the vital FTX at AUS posts while officers up to LTC provided the education, direction and mentoring. Every uni Rotc cadet in each armed service is indebted to NCO for their expertise and their tact in being both hardass disciplinarians and wise Dutch uncle advisers. When NCO spoke we listened up and we listened good then we busted our ass to accomplish whatever it was and there was plenty.

My beef then is about rightwing retired rightwing lifer rightwing nco rightwingers who post their rightwing views publicly advocating rightwing views, positions, postures on public issues and personages -- which is the vast majority of 'em. Retired lifer nco who choose to publicize their rightwing views are predictably and almost invariably rightwingers. And they're consistently unpleasant about it and most often extremists to include the armband type of 'em. I'm speaking of the retired ones, not the active duty ones who focus on their active duty service as military personnel with a military mission they volunteered to do professionally.

Have a looksee:



My company is preceded by the colonial colors, Honor Guard Company E Echo. Alpha Company replicates the personal guard of Gen. Washington (who required select soldiers who were two things: clean shaven and sober). [7:43]


In 3 IR The Old Guard of the Army at Ft. Myer next to Pentagon and Arlington National Cemetery our regular duties included military honors funerals and NCO always set up everything for the officers and you should know that's the case throughout the armed forces even though you were a corporal/sp4 of NG. Three NCO in particular in my company championed me as I developed over the four years -- year by year approximately -- from ptn ldr, cpy xo, cpy cmdr, then btn adjutant s-1 (1st btn at the time which was many many moons ago). My chief NCO E-6 sponsor from my MS year 1 in senior Rotc was in 3 IR and went on to graduate OCS to retire more than three decades later as three-star commander of V Corps. Moreover it didn't hurt either the colonel thought the sun shone out my ass which a measly junior officer couldn't do better by. You wouldn't know but when you're an officer there are only two rules about your colonel: Rule One is the colonel is always right; Rule Two is that when the colonel is wrong see Rule Number One.

So you have no standing corporal and Putin errand boy when it comes to my honorable and regular active duty military service. Because we can see in the news currently what can happen to an active duty military guy who lets armband politics take control of his miserable life. Excellent work as usual by FBI and national security agencies to include the armed forces ones.

Cool story...

 

[Tangmo]

I've changed nothing about this from day one of posting here:

My beef is about rightwing retired rightwing lifer rightwing nco rightwingers who post their rightwing views publicly advocating rightwing views, positions, postures on public issues and personages -- which is the vast majority of 'em. Retired lifer nco who choose to publicize their rightwing views are predictably and almost invariably rightwingers. And they're consistently rightwing unpleasant about it and most often extremists to include the armband type of 'em. I'm speaking of the retired ones, not the active duty ones who focus on their active duty service as military personnel with a military mission they volunteered to do professionally.


I served voluntarily and honorably during conscription when soldiers were a cross section of the general society and its views, values, mores, politics and political parties. When EP soldiers were let down in Vietnam both RA volunteers (and marines who are always all volunteer) and US conscripts expressed their objection and rejection of their leaders nco and officers alike, as did the civilian society back home who went after the political leadership and the culture of lockstep obedience. Army did btw literally purge nco immediately after the VN experience. Army turned to the officer corps to rebuild the Army by means of the AVF. This was after my time so I commend the officer corps from Lt to General for creating the force that did Desert Storm. It was Bush and his Dick Cheney with Rumsfeld and many others who set the AVF on its overused (and abused) path to the present.


Rotc btw, which went active in 1919 at six major eastern universities then expanded to its hundreds since, was always expected to infuse the armed forces officer corps with leaders who more reflect the general society than the government military academies do and have ever done. This is in fact what has occurred and shall continue to occur. Rotc generated officers whether one termers or longer term have always been more like the society than they've been reflective of the martial academy culture. Bottom line in this vital respect is that Rotc grads are more liberal generally and politically than are their government military academy grads.


The AVF principal recruiting belt/zone has for several decades extended from the Carolinas through Texas and upwards through Oklahoma and east of the Rockies to Canada. This includes the Great Plains states. Current recruiting by AUS has refocused to 22 major cities from Boston to Seattle and San Francisco so radical changes are in the works in respect of the quality of Army EP in particular. Experience and research has informed Pentagon that the Gen-Z being recruited is the first generation of the recent generations to measurably seek something bigger than themselves. While it may be something of a dig to say the AVF has always or mostly been a bunch of Republicans in trucks, there might well be some truth to the statement. So the times they're a changin and so are the AVF personnel, EP in particular.




Pentagon Six Senior Military Colleges:

Norwich University, in Northfield, Vermont, since 1819
Texas A&M University, the Military College, in College Station, Texas
The Citadel, The Military College of South Carolina, in Charleston, South Carolina
Virginia Military Institute, in Lexington, Virginia
Virginia Tech, in Blacksburg, Virginia
University of North Georgia, in Dahlonega, Georgia


Today, Army Rotc has a total of 273 programs located at colleges and universities throughout the 50 states, the District of Columbia , Puerto Rico with an enrollment of more than 35,000. It produces approximately 60 percent of the second lieutenants who join the active Army, the Army National Guard and the U.S. Army Reserve. More than 40 percent of current active duty Army General Officers were commissioned through the Rotc.

The six original Rotc programs founded in 1919 continue to thrive at Norwich (since 1819), Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth. Once congress removed the prohibition on homosexuals in the armed forces Rotc programs initiated a significant revival nationally as university boards of directors reinvited many armed forces Rotc programs to resume that had been terminated due to this policy difference since decades before.

Current chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford is an Rotc grad of Middlebury College, Vermont and the incoming CJCS, CSA Gen. Mark A. Milley is Princeton Rotc. Yes, more like the society than the other way around.

 

[Fledermaus]

I've changed nothing about this from day one of posting here:

My beef is about rightwing retired rightwing lifer rightwing nco rightwingers who post their rightwing views publicly advocating rightwing views, positions, postures on public issues and personages -- which is the vast majority of 'em. Retired lifer nco who choose to publicize their rightwing views are predictably and almost invariably rightwingers. And they're consistently rightwing unpleasant about it and most often extremists to include the armband type of 'em. I'm speaking of the retired ones, not the active duty ones who focus on their active duty service as military personnel with a military mission they volunteered to do professionally.


I served voluntarily and honorably during conscription when soldiers were a cross section of the general society and its views, values, mores, politics and political parties. When EP soldiers were let down in Vietnam both RA volunteers (and marines who are always all volunteer) and US conscripts expressed their objection and rejection of their leaders nco and officers alike, as did the civilian society back home who went after the political leadership and the culture of lockstep obedience. Army did btw literally purge nco immediately after the VN experience. Army turned to the officer corps to rebuild the Army by means of the AVF. This was after my time so I commend the officer corps from Lt to General for creating the force that did Desert Storm. It was Bush and his Dick Cheney with Rumsfeld and many others who set the AVF on its overused (and abused) path to the present.
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Why lie?

Anyone who has followed your threads in the past will recognize the lies.

And....


Cool story bro.

Keep repeating it over and over. Remember what Goebbels said.

Oh, and your fantasy continues with your version of the military being "rebuilt" by the "officer corps".

You really don't know how the post Vietnam draw down worked... Do you? I know. I was there.

You don't gut the NCO corps. You allow folks to retire early and slow promotions into the higher SNCO ranks. You recruit less and allow those at the end of 4 year enlistments to leave. No incentives for reenlistment.

It is almost like you post things with the intent to be wrong.

 

[beerftw]

Your brain power in the first paragraph is on fade. My beef is not against active duty nco for whom I have a great respect, admiration and a lasting bond with several I served with in the 3rd Infantry Regiment in the Military District of Washington DC, which is part of the 5th Army headquartered in Colorado and responsible for the security and defense of CONUS. (Fifth Army troops are the ones at the southern border -- cheerlessly and dubiously I might add). NCO trained us in uni Rotc both on campus and in the vital FTX at AUS posts while officers up to LTC provided the education, direction and mentoring. Every uni Rotc cadet in each armed service is indebted to NCO for their expertise and their tact in being both hardass disciplinarians and wise Dutch uncle advisers. When NCO spoke we listened up and we listened good then we busted our ass to accomplish whatever it was and there was plenty.

My beef then is about rightwing retired rightwing lifer rightwing nco rightwingers who post their rightwing views publicly advocating rightwing views, positions, postures on public issues and personages -- which is the vast majority of 'em. Retired lifer nco who choose to publicize their rightwing views are predictably and almost invariably rightwingers. And they're consistently unpleasant about it and most often extremists to include the armband type of 'em. I'm speaking of the retired ones, not the active duty ones who focus on their active duty service as military personnel with a military mission they volunteered to do professionally.

Have a looksee:



My company is preceded by the colonial colors, Honor Guard Company E Echo. Alpha Company replicates the personal guard of Gen. Washington (who required select soldiers who were two things: clean shaven and sober). [7:43]


In 3 IR The Old Guard of the Army at Ft. Myer next to Pentagon and Arlington National Cemetery our regular duties included military honors funerals and NCO always set up everything for the officers and you should know that's the case throughout the armed forces even though you were a corporal/sp4 of NG. Three NCO in particular in my company championed me as I developed over the four years -- year by year approximately -- from ptn ldr, cpy xo, cpy cmdr, then btn adjutant s-1 (1st btn at the time which was many many moons ago). My chief NCO E-6 sponsor from my MS year 1 in senior Rotc was in 3 IR and went on to graduate OCS to retire more than three decades later as three-star commander of V Corps. Moreover it didn't hurt either the colonel thought the sun shone out my ass which a measly junior officer couldn't do better by. You wouldn't know but when you're an officer there are only two rules about your colonel: Rule One is the colonel is always right; Rule Two is that when the colonel is wrong see Rule Number One.

So you have no standing corporal and Putin errand boy when it comes to my honorable and regular active duty military service. Because we can see in the news currently what can happen to an active duty military guy who lets armband politics take control of his miserable life. Excellent work as usual by FBI and national security agencies to include the armed forces ones.

Your ignorance is showing, just to be blunt I never was a corporal or an e-4 in both active duty or reserve, I was e-1 through e-3 more times than most military would ever see rank changes. Now I have held e-6 and e-7 positions been in charge of squads and other leadership positions, but only held the position/authority and never once that kind of rank.

And fyi I was also active duty before the national guard, also never once served in the russian military or ever even been to russia, though I did serve with a russian man in the us army, cool guy but always seemed like he was plotting something, The other thing is you using corporal as an insult, in combat units corporals perform similar duties to sergeants, and are mostly used as team leaders while seargeants are used as squad leaders, meaning in a wartime environment a corporal is a very important part of the combat structure to provide lower level leadership to ensure leadership exists through all levels.

 

[beerftw]

Putin-Trump Fanboys speak.

Right Wingnut veteran of the enlisted military trying to capitalize on some certain low grade and rank of military history to try to promote the right wing agenda and Putin's malign designs for the USA and our Constitution.

Your chief problem over there is that Putin is a 21st century fascist supported by same, admired by same, promoted by same in pursuit of their agenda. From Manafort to Flynn to Trump Himself, among many others to include many we see here. I'll state this for as many times as it may need to be said. Because it is time to call a traitor a traitor. Past time in fact. The oath to the Constitution, i.e., We the People, means nothing to both you and to Trump among others to include $LTG$ Flynn and another of Trump's Charlottesville kind of good people LT Hassan. Hassan is America's would be Breivik and Trump Fanboy.

You should probably not chug vodka while watching alex jones before you post, I can literally make no sense of what you posted here.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I'm not sure that if Russia went to war with NATO over the Baltics that the other Eurasian Union or even CIS member states would support it. That being the case, I'm uncertain Russia would ever attack a NATO country without first trying to orchestrate some sort of false flag attack in Belarus or Ukraine or what have you...

 

[Tangmo]

What kind or simpleton is loyal to a flag? The only thing that matters is being loyal to a country, which explains why it's next to impossible for conservatives to do so.

Conservatives / Republicans have finally put country above party.

It's just the wrong country they admire and give their allegiance to.

We see it each day from the Putin-Trump Fanboys.