Russia To "Suspend" Gas Supplies To Poland Over Refusal to Pay In Roubles.

[Fledermaus]

They say that but their actions show different. Biden and co have already this month ordered the release of 180 million barrels of oil from the US reserves and is planning huge natural gas deals to Europe off the back of the war in Ukraine

The only free cheese is in a mouse trap.

They haven't been " giving them away" lol You American tazpayers(sic) are paying for them and the arms dealers are then " giving" them to Ukraine. You should perhaps look at how foreign " aid" actually plays out. Clue, it's a conduit for handing over public money into private pockets of the donor nation

I don't think you fully understand how the corporatocracy operates even though you understand there is such a thing, so kudos for that.

US tax payers are arming Ukraine and paying for the effort at home in cost of living hikes. The Ukrainians are paying for the effort with their lives and homes. Meanwhile the western war vultures are enjoying the financial windfall off of the carnage.

As Smedley Butler put it........." war is a racket"

Oil reserve release was to lower local gas pricing.

 

[Cardinal]

Correct because it has seen the US using it as a proxy, first to threaten Russian national security with NATO membership speel

And Russia has demonstrated what happens to countries that don't have NATO membership. Russia has never invaded a NATO country. Important lesson, as Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukraine have learned. And of course Sweden and Finland have taken note as well since they'll be joining NATO now.

Round of applause, Putin! Good job.

, followed by the coup imposition of virulent anti Russian leaderships and ,on top of that, weapons shipments and military training etc. The Ukrainians have been set up as proxies and the US will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and the complete destruction of Ukraine if they can.

The US would NEVER allow Mexico to host Russian military installations, troops and training, along with the possibility of missile bases. You know it but can't/won't apply it to the Russia/Ukraine situation because it completely undermines the pushed narratives that the sheeple here immerse themselves in.

 

[oneworld2]

That the oil would continue to flow and that business would carry on as usual was always a delusion.

It would be a " delusion" if the Russians believed it would but I see no evidence that they are this naive. They will just sell to India and China etc and the Europeans will see themselves over the US barrel and footing the bill for increased gas prices due to the logistical problems/costs of US energy supplies.

 

[Luce]

Correct because it has seen the US using it as a proxy, first to threaten Russian national security with NATO membership speel , followed by the coup imposition of virulent anti Russian leaderships and ,on top of that, weapons shipments and military training etc. The Ukrainians have been set up as proxies and the US will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and the complete destruction of Ukraine if they can.

The US would NEVER allow Mexico to host Russian military installations, troops and training, along with the possibility of missile bases. You know it but can't/won't apply it to the Russia/Ukraine situation because it completely undermines the pushed narratives that the sheeple here immerse themselves in.

So

many

rubles

 

[Fledermaus]

How much do you think all of the below has cost? And that's just arms sales

U.S. Security Cooperation with Ukraine - United States Department of State

The United States, our allies, and our partners worldwide are united in support of Ukraine in response to Russia’s premeditated, unprovoked, and unjustified war against Ukraine.  We have not forgotten Russia’s earlier aggression in eastern Ukraine and occupation following its unlawful seizure of...

www.state.gov

You don't understand business either? Clue, the pass that cost onto the customer, customers they NEVER had before the war recall.

Of course if you poke a bear in the eye with a stick it tends to lash out and all of the creatures in the vicinity, the US being not really being a part of that compared to the likes of Finland/Sweden, tend to get nervous and seek to protect themselves. Logic isn't coming naturally to your arguments

I don't understand your confusion, it'sa (sic)pretty basic application of logic and reason imo

Western arms dealers, yep. The march eastward saw the former eastern bloc countries modernizing and expanding their military power, who do you think benefitted financially from that?

You do realize the document you linked to disproves much of your points....

No. Of course not.

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $4.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $3.7 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $6.4 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

The US invested. The US provided.

Pursuant to a delegation by the President, we have used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on eight occasions since September 2021 to provide Ukraine $3.4 billion in military assistance directly from DoD stockpiles.

Giving. Not selling.

And no one is forcing nations to join NATO. That is stupid talk pure and simple.

 

[Cardinal]

It would be a " delusion" if the Russians believed it would but I see no evidence that they are this naive. They will just sell to India and China etc and the Europeans will see themselves over the US barrel and footing the bill for increased gas prices due to the logistical problems/costs of US energy supplies.

If Europe no longer receives oil from Russia then they can approach this war more objectively.

 

[Chagos]

If actions have consequences (as no doubt they always do), one has to wonder what consequences Putin hopes for by striking at the two least important (quantity-wise) members of his customer list.

If his hope is that of driving a wedge into the Western nations by then making the biggies come to heel and pay in rubles, he has another thing coming.

If he thinks that making true the insinuated threat of turning off the gas to Europe altogether is anything other than cutting off his nose to spite his face, good luck with that one.

As to regaining his thus incurred income losses by selling to India and China, he'd have to do it at total dumping prices where oil is concerned (incidentally an income source that's far more important for him than gas), while currently not even being able to flog gas to either in any other transport method than by rail or road tankers.

That's gonna be a real sales point

Of course he fully realizes that he's going to lose the whole European market in the long run, if indeed not in the medium, but to preempt that today already from his side would be rather stupid.

Vlad thinks he's a great poker player while constantly demonstrating (as we can now see with his Ukraine adventure) that he's probably a flop even at tiddlywinks.

 

[Chagos]

If Europe no longer receives oil from Russia then they can approach this war more objectively.

Taking Germany as an example, its oil imports from Russia have already been decreased from 35 pct (share of energy mix) to 12 pct since the start of the invasion. Zero is expected to be achieved before the end of this year.

Replacing Russia is not much of a problem, considering that the logistics of receiving oil are not as complicated as with gas.

 

[oneworld2]

You do realize the document you linked to disproves much of your points....

No. Of course not.

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $4.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $3.7 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $6.4 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

The US invested. The US provided.

Pursuant to a delegation by the President, we have used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on eight occasions since September 2021 to provide Ukraine $3.4 billion in military assistance directly from DoD stockpiles.

Giving. Not selling.

And no one is forcing nations to join NATO. That is stupid talk pure and simple.

Nothing in that has " disproven" any of my points, stop with the gaslighting.

Another one who doesn't understand that the arms companies are being paid by US taxpayers to supply Ukraine with weapons.

Do you even understand how " aid" works?

How anyone can take US leaderships waxing lyrical about the sanctity of " territorial integrity" and " national sovereignty" beggars belief. Selective amnesia is your choice, not mine.