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Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

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Russian lawmakers will in February debate a bill that could see homosexual couples lose custody of their children, parliamentary documents showed Wednesday.

The debate will likely coincide with the 2014 Winter Olympic Games in Sochi which have already been marred by boycott calls over Russia's controversial new anti-gay legislation.

The bill, published on the website of Russia's Duma lower house of parliament, says the state can strip parents of custody if they practise "non-traditional sexual relations," the term used in Russian laws to describe homosexual relations.

Russia had better buckle up for the international hell we'll raise if they do this.
 
I just say go with the plan of refusing visas of all Russian politicians and diplomats for now.
 
Russian lawmakers will in February debate a bill that could see homosexual couples lose custody of their children, parliamentary documents showed Wednesday.

The debate will likely coincide with the 2014 Winter Olympic Games in Sochi which have already been marred by boycott calls over Russia's controversial new anti-gay legislation.

The bill, published on the website of Russia's Duma lower house of parliament, says the state can strip parents of custody if they practise "non-traditional sexual relations," the term used in Russian laws to describe homosexual relations.
Russia had better buckle up for the international hell we'll raise if they do this.
Good for them.
 
Russia had better buckle up for the international hell we'll raise if they do this.

Russia continues to encourage the international community to have no reason to like them.

Are we really surprised?
 
So thankful I was born here.

Those assholes can die in a fire.
 
Why do you hate children having loving families?
Wtf?
Talk about dishonesty on your part.
I never once said any such thing, did I? Of course not.
That is you putting words into my mouth that you wish I said.
 
Wtf?
Talk about dishonesty on your part.
I never once said any such thing, did I? Of course not.
That is you putting words into my mouth that you wish I said.

Sorry I think I missed the message of your post at first glance.
 
Wtf?
Talk about dishonesty on your part.
I never once said any such thing, did I? Of course not.
That is you putting words into my mouth that you wish I said.

In response to the Russian government having a debate to consider taking children away from gay parents, you responded with the words "good for them". The result of said legislation would entail children being taken from otherwise loving families. It was improper for Carjosse to speculate about your motives, but your action demonstrate your priorities.
 
If someone is interested, here is the proposed amendment to law 69, by Zuravlev.

Translated with Google translate, sorry ain't got time to translate it myself.



EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

to the draft federal law
"On Amending Article 69 of the Family Code
The Russian Federation "


In accordance with Paragraph 1 of Article 63 of the Family Code
Federation ( hereinafter - the Code ), parents are responsible for the upbringing and
development of their children.
They are obliged to take care of the health, physical,mental, spiritual and moral development of their children.
Furthermore, Paragraph 1 of Article 65 of the Code establishes general rules for the implementation
parental rights, which can not be in contradiction with the
children's interests.
In the exercise of parental rights, parents are not may harm the physical and mental health of children, their moral development. The methods of raising children should exclude neglectful , cruel or degrading treatment, abuse or exploitation of children . In a literal sense, Code requires parents of minor children do
possible to form a complete person, as in the physical and in the spiritual sense. Life lessons , and sometimes by example
educate the child traditional family values ​​, loyalty to the Fatherland , respect for the older generation, and many other common human
values.
The family, as the fundamental group unit of society, is the first and the most important development institution and education of the child.
Unfortunately, experience shows that often the parents are not in full volume fulfill the responsibilities of raising children , depriving them of
moral compass , and sometimes material support. In most cases, the reason for this is alcoholism, drug addiction, promiscuity and immoral lifestyle.
In such environment the child can not fully develop, obtain necessary support and counsel from parents. As a result, it is 1 is the reason for the low level of development, the degradation of the child's personality and behavior deviativnogo. Timely assistance to such a child from the
States can correct his education by transferring to foster care, the care of relatives or the relevant institution. Implement this assistance is only possible after the deprivation parental rights, allowing the child to fence off immoral way the lives of his parents or one of them.

Thus, in accordance with Article 69 of the Code of parents may be deprived parental rights in cases where they are:
shirk responsibilities of parents, including the willful refusal to pay child support;
refuse without good reason to take their child out of Maternity Hospital ( department ) or from other medical institutions
educational institutions, social protection of the population, or of similar organizations ;
abuse their parental rights ;
mistreated children, including physical exercise or mental violence against them , infringe their sexual integrity;
are suffering from chronic alcoholism or drug addiction;
committed an intentional crime against the life or health of the children or against the life or health of the spouse.

Of the above list shows that the main reasons for the deprivation parental rights lie in the plane of antisocial lifestyle drastically differing from the traditional values ​​of the Russian State. They are all negatively affect the psyche of the child and not can serve as a model for education.
The other most important institution is the education of children society, which forms the identity of the child in later life , protecting it from unwanted exposure and negative information. Thus, for example, the Federal Law of 29.0613 № 115- FZ " On Amending the Article 5 of the Federal Law " On Protection of children from information harmful to their health and development, " and some legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in order to protect children from information advocating rejection of traditional family values, " (hereinafter -Act ) protects children from the propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations, information on which is extremely dangerous for the fragile psyche child and is able in the future to break his sexual self-determination.
Following the letter of the law, such propaganda is banned not only in the media media, but also in the family. On the basis of the explanatory note Law " propaganda of non-traditional family relationships dangerous for children and young people, is not capable of a critical attitude to the avalanche information that falls on them, every day." Also justification of the Act states that :
"The family , motherhood and childhood in their
Traditionally, the ancestors of the perceived understanding are those
values ​​that provide a continuous alternation of generations, act for the preservation and development of the multinational people of the Russian Federation , and therefore require special protection from the state.

The legitimate interests of minors are important social value, with a goal of public policy for children is to protect them from the factors that negatively affect their physical, intellectual, mental, spiritual and moral development. Paragraph 1 of Article 14 of the Federal Law of 24.07.1998 № 124- FZ" On basic guarantees of children's rights in the Russian Federation" right provides that the authorities of the Russian Federation to take measures to protect the child from information , advocacy and agitation, harmful to their health, moral and spiritual development.
" This administrative liability imposed by law, provides not for the fact of homosexual rights, and only for the promotion of non-traditional sexual relationships among Minors.

On this basis, it appears that in the case of one of the assumptions parents of a child sexual contact with persons of the same sex, harm ,which may be caused psyche own child is huge and not can be measured by the Code of Administrative Violations, as a mother or father is a role model for example their child.

In confirmation of this is provided by the
Research Doctor of Sociology , University of Texas at Austin (USA ) Mark Regnerus that from 2010 to 2012 analyzed psychological characteristics of young people whose parents had same-sex relationships . The research, which was attended by about 3000 thousand people . showed that only 60-70 % of the respondents identified themselves as completely heterosexual, with more than 90 % of people who raised in traditional families, referred to as a fully heterosexual.

Among other results of the study include:
1. Elevated levels of sexually transmitted diseases among the studied
persons ( about 25 % of the respondents , those from traditional families - 8 %);
2 . Risk of suicide (about 25 % , those of the traditional family - 5%) ;
3 . Socio-economic helplessness (28 % - the unemployed ,
is that in traditional families - 8 %);
4 . Disorder of sexual self-orientation (see above);
5 . The inability to store family loyalty (40% of the respondents individuals , 13% - the traditional family).

The results of these studies have been thoroughly tested independent experts and do not cause somneniy.Analiziruya research scientist, should provide statistical
data characterizing parameters of the test questions. Since the estimated Russian experts in the number of people with different sexual orientation
about 5-7 % (for large cities the percentage is slightly higher ) are as at least a third are children. Based on this fact and the above arguments , the present
the bill proposes to add to article 69 of the Family Code of the Russian Federation with a new paragraph , in accordance with which grounds for termination of parental rights would be the fact of gay parents or one of them.


Link to the law amendment - in Russian (pdf)

Fallen.
 
Oh look. Another one speculating.

You voiced approval for the Russia policy which breaks apart families. If you think your motives are being unfairly questioned, why don't you explain your rationale behind your statement?
 
If someone is interested, here is the proposed amendment to law 69, by Zuravlev.

Translated with Google translate, sorry ain't got time to translate it myself.



EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

to the draft federal law
"On Amending Article 69 of the Family Code
The Russian Federation "


In accordance with Paragraph 1 of Article 63 of the Family Code
Federation ( hereinafter - the Code ), parents are responsible for the upbringing and
development of their children.
They are obliged to take care of the health, physical,mental, spiritual and moral development of their children.
Furthermore, Paragraph 1 of Article 65 of the Code establishes general rules for the implementation
parental rights, which can not be in contradiction with the
children's interests.
In the exercise of parental rights, parents are not may harm the physical and mental health of children, their moral development. The methods of raising children should exclude neglectful , cruel or degrading treatment, abuse or exploitation of children . In a literal sense, Code requires parents of minor children do
possible to form a complete person, as in the physical and in the spiritual sense. Life lessons , and sometimes by example
educate the child traditional family values ​​, loyalty to the Fatherland , respect for the older generation, and many other common human
values.
The family, as the fundamental group unit of society, is the first and the most important development institution and education of the child.
Unfortunately, experience shows that often the parents are not in full volume fulfill the responsibilities of raising children , depriving them of
moral compass , and sometimes material support. In most cases, the reason for this is alcoholism, drug addiction, promiscuity and immoral lifestyle.
In such environment the child can not fully develop, obtain necessary support and counsel from parents. As a result, it is 1 is the reason for the low level of development, the degradation of the child's personality and behavior deviativnogo. Timely assistance to such a child from the
States can correct his education by transferring to foster care, the care of relatives or the relevant institution. Implement this assistance is only possible after the deprivation parental rights, allowing the child to fence off immoral way the lives of his parents or one of them.

Thus, in accordance with Article 69 of the Code of parents may be deprived parental rights in cases where they are:
shirk responsibilities of parents, including the willful refusal to pay child support;
refuse without good reason to take their child out of Maternity Hospital ( department ) or from other medical institutions
educational institutions, social protection of the population, or of similar organizations ;
abuse their parental rights ;
mistreated children, including physical exercise or mental violence against them , infringe their sexual integrity;
are suffering from chronic alcoholism or drug addiction;
committed an intentional crime against the life or health of the children or against the life or health of the spouse.

Of the above list shows that the main reasons for the deprivation parental rights lie in the plane of antisocial lifestyle drastically differing from the traditional values ​​of the Russian State. They are all negatively affect the psyche of the child and not can serve as a model for education.
The other most important institution is the education of children society, which forms the identity of the child in later life , protecting it from unwanted exposure and negative information. Thus, for example, the Federal Law of 29.0613 № 115- FZ " On Amending the Article 5 of the Federal Law " On Protection of children from information harmful to their health and development, " and some legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in order to protect children from information advocating rejection of traditional family values, " (hereinafter -Act ) protects children from the propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations, information on which is extremely dangerous for the fragile psyche child and is able in the future to break his sexual self-determination.
Following the letter of the law, such propaganda is banned not only in the media media, but also in the family. On the basis of the explanatory note Law " propaganda of non-traditional family relationships dangerous for children and young people, is not capable of a critical attitude to the avalanche information that falls on them, every day." Also justification of the Act states that :
"The family , motherhood and childhood in their
Traditionally, the ancestors of the perceived understanding are those
values ​​that provide a continuous alternation of generations, act for the preservation and development of the multinational people of the Russian Federation , and therefore require special protection from the state.

The legitimate interests of minors are important social value, with a goal of public policy for children is to protect them from the factors that negatively affect their physical, intellectual, mental, spiritual and moral development. Paragraph 1 of Article 14 of the Federal Law of 24.07.1998 № 124- FZ" On basic guarantees of children's rights in the Russian Federation" right provides that the authorities of the Russian Federation to take measures to protect the child from information , advocacy and agitation, harmful to their health, moral and spiritual development.
" This administrative liability imposed by law, provides not for the fact of homosexual rights, and only for the promotion of non-traditional sexual relationships among Minors.

On this basis, it appears that in the case of one of the assumptions parents of a child sexual contact with persons of the same sex, harm ,which may be caused psyche own child is huge and not can be measured by the Code of Administrative Violations, as a mother or father is a role model for example their child.

In confirmation of this is provided by the
Research Doctor of Sociology , University of Texas at Austin (USA ) Mark Regnerus that from 2010 to 2012 analyzed psychological characteristics of young people whose parents had same-sex relationships . The research, which was attended by about 3000 thousand people . showed that only 60-70 % of the respondents identified themselves as completely heterosexual, with more than 90 % of people who raised in traditional families, referred to as a fully heterosexual.

Among other results of the study include:
1. Elevated levels of sexually transmitted diseases among the studied
persons ( about 25 % of the respondents , those from traditional families - 8 %);
2 . Risk of suicide (about 25 % , those of the traditional family - 5%) ;
3 . Socio-economic helplessness (28 % - the unemployed ,
is that in traditional families - 8 %);
4 . Disorder of sexual self-orientation (see above);
5 . The inability to store family loyalty (40% of the respondents individuals , 13% - the traditional family).

The results of these studies have been thoroughly tested independent experts and do not cause somneniy.Analiziruya research scientist, should provide statistical
data characterizing parameters of the test questions. Since the estimated Russian experts in the number of people with different sexual orientation
about 5-7 % (for large cities the percentage is slightly higher ) are as at least a third are children. Based on this fact and the above arguments , the present
the bill proposes to add to article 69 of the Family Code of the Russian Federation with a new paragraph , in accordance with which grounds for termination of parental rights would be the fact of gay parents or one of them.


Link to the law amendment - in Russian (pdf)

Fallen.

And they used the Regnerus "study". That guy really needs to be fired. He knew damned well what he was doing when he published it and what it would be used to do, including things like this. And the study was extremely biased and flawed, but because others will use anything that comes close to "confirming" their hate/beliefs, they ignore the fact that it has been proven to be a bogus study.
 
You voiced approval for the Russia policy which breaks apart families. If you think your motives are being unfairly questioned, why don't you explain your rationale behind your statement?
Oh look more speculation.

I said nothing about a family or families.
Stop trying to put words into a persons mouth.

My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Period.
 
Russia had better buckle up for the international hell we'll raise if they do this.

Yet progressives say nothing when Muslims oppress and murder gays...

You do realize in most nations that rule under Sharia homosexuality is punishable by death?

Funny how you progressives don't have an opinion when Muslims are hanging gays from cranes but you have a strong opinion here?

HA....
 
Oh look more speculation.

I said nothing about a family or families.
Stop trying to put words into a persons mouth.

My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Period.

Rather than dodging requests for clarification, how about your tell people who this is good for and why?
 
Yet progressives say nothing when Muslims oppress and murder gays...

You do realize in most nations that rule under Sharia homosexuality is punishable by death?

Funny how you progressives don't have an opinion when Muslims are hanging gays from cranes but you have a strong opinion here?

HA....

Um, progressives say plenty about that, thank you. But have fun making up more stuff. It's entertaining!
 
Yet progressives say nothing when Muslims oppress and murder gays...

You do realize in most nations that rule under Sharia homosexuality is punishable by death?

Funny how you progressives don't have an opinion when Muslims are hanging gays from cranes but you have a strong opinion here?

HA....

We say plenty about that, and it's extremely despicable behavior that should be abolished.

I think you are confusing people not wanting other people to jump to conclusions about Muslims in western countries and prejudge them for something that happens in another nation.
 
Rather than dodging requests for clarification, how about your tell people who this is good for and why?

Because it doesn't need clarification.
My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Nothing more needed.
Nor do folk get to say it means what hasn't been said unless they wish to have what they say appear to look asinine for assuming.
 
A country(government) practicing bigotry and showing how intellectually inept they are

noting new, especially for russia

odd that are trying this at the same time the UN is actually deciding to fight these gross human and civil rights violations globally.
 
Oh look more speculation.

I said nothing about a family or families.
Stop trying to put words into a persons mouth.

My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Period.

You voiced support for a policy that would result in families being broken up. If you were unaware of the consequences of the law when you agreed with it, you can always retract your earlier statement. Personal dislike of someones lifestyle is one thing, this kind of governmental persecution crosses the line.
 
You voiced support for a policy that would result in families being broken up.
Oh look, more assumptions on your part.


If you were unaware of the consequences of the law when you agreed with it, you can always retract your earlier statement.
There is no need to retract anything.
"Good for them", was my reply. Period.
Sorry you have such a hard time with that.


this kind of governmental persecution crosses the line.
Wtf?
Who are you to say what they should do in their own country?

That country decides, through their processes, what they do, and do not want. Not you.
Apparently you, as you have no authority there, are the one crossing the line saying otherwise.

You don't have to like what they are doing, but it isn't over the line.
 
Oh look, more assumptions on your part.

Its not an assumption. The law explicitly authorizes taking children away form gay parents.
There is no need to retract anything.
"Good for them", was my reply. Period.
Sorry you have such a hard time with that.

If you are proficient in the English language, you should be aware that when you use the phrase "good for them" it means you approve of the actions of another. I've given you more than ample opportunities to clarify your statement, but you have refused. You can pretend you didn't support tearing families apart, but at this point you aren't fooling anyone.

Who are you to say what they should do in their own country?

I a human being with a moral compass.

That country decides, through their processes, what they do, and do not want. Not you.
Apparently you, as you have no authority there, are the one crossing the line saying otherwise.

I absolutely have the right to criticize government abuse upon the innocent. Russia is legally entitled to do as they wish, but that doesn't mean I can't call them out on bad behavior.
 
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