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Russia Pulls Out of Nuclear Treaty in ‘Symmetrical’ Response to U.S. Move

So you are pro-Russia like Trump then. Why do you want to support and empower our sworn enemy? Got tired of the U.S. being #1?

Are you just trying to look stupid? You have done well! There is NOTHING that I have said that I says am "pro-Russia". Stop listening to your liberal rabble rousing news. They are only ones that are selling that crap. I spent 20+ years making commie lives miserable so you could sit back here and make stupid comments. IF you were a veteran, you clearly never left the mess hall.
 
Are you just trying to look stupid? You have done well! There is NOTHING that I have said that I says am "pro-Russia". Stop listening to your liberal rabble rousing news. They are only ones that are selling that crap. I spent 20+ years making commie lives miserable so you could sit back here and make stupid comments. IF you were a veteran, you clearly never left the mess hall.

Then you are twice as wrong for not seeing how Trump is weakening us and strengthening Putin's Russia. Do I need to spell it out for you once more?
Putin’s return on investment from Trump’s presidency has been significant.

Here are ten ways that Putin has received his payout:

Putin’s Goal: Weaken and divide the transatlantic alliance.
Putin’s Payout: Trump undermines US relationships with European allies and calls the US’s commitment to NATO into question.
Putin’s Goal: Degrade the European Union and foster pro-Russian political movements.
Putin’s Payout: Trump attacks the EU and actively supports anti-EU, Kremlin-backed parties.
Putin’s Goal: Disrupt American leadership of the global economic order.
Putin’s Payout: Trump is eagerly pushing for an all-out trade war with Europe.
Putin’s Goal: Build global resentment and distrust towards the US and stoke anti-American sentiment.
Putin’s Payout: America’s closest allies are explicitly suspicious and distrusting of the US because of Trump’s rhetoric and actions.
Putin’s Goal: Relieve economic and domestic political pressure from US sanctions on Russia.
Putin’s Payout: Trump tries to roll back, impede, and blunt the impact of sanctions at every step.
Putin’s Goal: Legitimize his regime in the eyes of the world.
Putin’s Payout: Trump repeatedly praises and defends Putin, lending the weight of the US presidency providing validation towards Putin’s cause.
Putin’s Goal: Revive Russia’s status as a great power and gain international recognition for its illegal seizure of Crimea.
Putin’s Payout: Trump publicly says that Crimea is part of Russia and calls for Russia to be welcomed back into the international community with no concessions.
Putin’s Goal: Continue to sow discord in Western democracies and avoid repercussions for interfering in US and European elections.
Putin’s Payout: Trump dismisses Russian interference and has done nothing to prevent future interference, putting him at odds with his own intelligence community.
Putin’s Goal: Soften America’s adversarial stance toward Russia.
Putin’s Payout: Trump is shifting the Republican Party’s generations-long hawkish views on Russia.
Putin’s Goal: Destabilize the US from within.
Putin’s Payout: Trump attacks US institutions while driving divisive politics and eroding democratic norms.
The pattern is clear: Putin has received—and continues to receive—a good payout on his investment.
https://themoscowproject.org/reports/putins-payout-10-ways-trump-has-supported-putins-foreign-policy-agenda/
 
So you say you don't "give a **** what some dumbass foreign conservative politician thinks" but here you are ranting about it.
Mmm'kay.



Odd, that you would know that British Gavin Williamson, Secretary of Defense, a trusted NATO ally of the United State's opinion isn't worth anything, (well according to you), but know all about how Putin feels about Trump ending the INF treaty first.




Sorry, but you don't make much sense.

https://qz.com/1540229/the-reason-trump-withdrew-from-inf-missile-treaty-with-russia/

LOL! Apparently you give a **** about Gavin Williamson since you feel the need to defend him now. (you're so predictable) As for trusting Mr Gavinson, I wouldn't be too sure.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tennis-russian-billionaire-putin-minister-tory-donation-a8261871.html

"Boris Johnson defends playing tennis with wife of Putin's ex-minister in return for £160,000 Tory donation
Lubov Chernukhin also paid £30,000 to have dinner with Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson
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Boris Johnson has defended playing a game of tennis with the wife of one of Vladimir Putin’s ex-ministers in return for a £160,000 donation to the Conservatives.

Mr Johnson confirmed that the game, paid for by Lubov Chernukhin at a Tory fundraiser last year, has now taken place.

Ms Chernukhin has also since paid £30,000 to have dinner with Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson, who made waves last week when he told Russia to “go away and shut up” in the wake of the Salisbury nerve agent attack.

So Mr Gavinson tells the Russians to "go away and shut up" one week and then happily accepts money from them the next? Hmmm....well at least you may have to give them some credit for being somewhat more overt about it than the Trump people were. And Boris Johnson, Britains Mr Brexit too. Brexit was another pet project of Putin's, was it not?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/02/why-putin-wont-be-mad-about-trump-pulling-out-inf-treaty/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.19c0a8890237

"Why Putin won’t be mad about Trump pulling out of the INF Treaty"

Putin’s comments were similar in 2016. In an exchange captured by a Kremlin transcript, Putin called the leaders of the Soviet Union who forged the treaty with the United States in the late 1980s “naive” for its terms (emphasis added):

Q: Does Russia see any value in this treaty, and if yes, then what exactly? Is it even worthwhile to be part of this treaty?

PUTIN: It would be of great value to us, if other countries followed Russia and the United States. Here’s what we have: the naive former Russian leadership went ahead and eliminated intermediate-range land-based missiles. The Americans eliminated their Pershing missiles, while we scrapped the SS-20 missiles. There was a tragic event associated with this when the chief designer of these systems committed suicide believing that it was a betrayal of national interests and unilateral disarmament.

Why unilateral? Because under that treaty we eliminated our ground complex, but the treaty did not include medium-range sea- and air-based missiles. Air- and sea-based missiles were not affected by it. The Soviet Union simply did not have them, while the United States kept them in service.

What we ultimately got was a clear imbalance: the United States has kept its medium-range missiles. It does not matter whether they are based at sea, in the air, or on land; however, the Soviet Union was simply left without this type of weapons. Almost all of our neighbours make such weapons, including the countries to the east of our borders, and Middle Eastern countries as well, whereas none of the countries sharing borders with the United States, neither Canada nor Mexico, manufacture such weapons. So, for us it is a special test, but nevertheless we believe it is necessary to honour this treaty. All the more so since, as you may be aware, we now also have medium-range sea- and air-based missiles.


That doesn’t sound like someone who will be particularly unhappy without the treaty — which he argued was stacked against his country to begin with. The Russians' flouting of the treaty contributes to the idea that this was punitive, but Russia in some ways seemed to be goading the United States to cancel it.
 
Trump has just made the world an objectively more dangerous place. The speed with which Russia exited the INF treaty and moved to create new, previously banned weapons strongly suggests that this was at least one of the topics that Putin and Trump discussed in private.

There's no putting the genie back into this bottle. The new nuclear arms race has begun and no future Congress or President can stop it.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/world/europe/russia-inf-treaty.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

My take was that Putin wanted out of that agreement, and Trump obliged.
 
Trump has just made the world an objectively more dangerous place. The speed with which Russia exited the INF treaty and moved to create new, previously banned weapons strongly suggests that this was at least one of the topics that Putin and Trump discussed in private.

There's no putting the genie back into this bottle. The new nuclear arms race has begun and no future Congress or President can stop it.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/world/europe/russia-inf-treaty.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

so the arms raceN2 has begun , great news!! for how long bamboo - putlerstan can keep going against USA/WEST with its 1% of world GDP?

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...treaty-russia-follows-us-suspending-pact.html
 
Who gives a **** what some dumbass foreign conservative politician thinks. I imagine this administration is going to try to paint this as being an example of Trump being tough on Russia. When actually Putin is not going to be the least bit sad or chastised by this at all. He has been wanting to get this treaty scrapped for over a decade. And Trump being the good little comrade he is, is always perfectly willing to accommodate Mr Putin.

Well, If President Trump was 'beholden to Russia", he would ignore the violations, leave the treaty in place and lie to the people that Russia isn't a threat..like Obama did.
 
Well, If President Trump was 'beholden to Russia", he would ignore the violations, leave the treaty in place and lie to the people that Russia isn't a threat..like Obama did.

No that is exactly what Trump is doing with the Russian ally N. Korea. Saying they are not a threat so they may continue with their WMD's unmolested by Chinese sanctions. He is withdrawing from this treaty first so Putin can claim he is not the aggressor and that we are too weak to confront him on his blatant violations. Part of Putin's goal is to legitimize his dictatorship. Also I missed the part where Trump has EVER called Putin or Russia a "threat". Got a link to that claim?
 
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No that is exactly what Trump is doing with the Russian ally N. Korea. Saying they are not a threat so they may continue with their WMD's unmolested by Chinese sanctions. He is withdrawing from this treaty first so Putin can claim he is not the aggressor. Part of Putin's goal is to legitimize his dictatorship.

Yeah, because Clinton, Bush and Obama put the brakes on the Nork nuke program...lol

Hell, the Norks benefitted from missile technology that Slick Willy GAVE to the Chicoms, in return for millions in campaign donations from the Chicom army.
 
Yeah, because Clinton, Bush and Obama put the brakes on the Nork nuke program...lol

Hell, the Norks benefitted from missile technology that Slick Willy GAVE to the Chicoms, in return for millions in campaign donations from the Chicom army.

So you agree with Trump that N. Korea is no longer a threat and are complicit with the Chinese claim that the Presidents summit made their sanctions no longer needed. I won't comment on your ridiculous CT that sounds like it came right out of the GRU troll farm.
 
So you agree with Trump that N. Korea is no longer a threat and are complicit with the Chinese claim that the Presidents summit made their sanctions no longer needed. I won't comment on your ridiculous CT that sounds like it came right out of the GRU troll farm.

It isn't a theory...

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/18/us/clinton-says-chinese-money-did-not-influence-us-policy.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
 
Who gives a **** what some dumbass foreign conservative politician thinks. I imagine this administration is going to try to paint this as being an example of Trump being tough on Russia. When actually Putin is not going to be the least bit sad or chastised by this at all. He has been wanting to get this treaty scrapped for over a decade. And Trump being the good little comrade he is, is always perfectly willing to accommodate Mr Putin.

Putin scrapped that agreement when he signed it into law. He has not lived up to the agreement from day one. But what did Obama do to stop that. NOTHING. In fact here was Putin's relationship was with Obama.


Putin told Obamafail to stay out of Crimea and he said yes sir. How stupid was that???
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT sell arms to Ukrainian and he said yes sir. How stupid was that.
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT put our missile defense shield in NATO, he again says yes sir. How stupid was that.
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Obamafail asked Putin of all people to certify that all of Syria’s WMD were taking out of Syria and Putin lied to Obamafail. How stupid was that?
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Obamafail told Russia that once he is reelected he can be more flexible to what Putin wants. How stupid was that. Obamafail loved Putin and did whatever Putin wanted. How stupid was that. Watch the video.
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...4&action=click

Obamafail would not stand behind his RED LINE with Syria, Putin told him to stay away, and Obama jumped up and said yes sir.
 
Putin scrapped that agreement when he signed it into law. He has not lived up to the agreement from day one. But what did Obama do to stop that. NOTHING. In fact here was Putin's relationship was with Obama.


Putin told Obamafail to stay out of Crimea and he said yes sir. How stupid was that???
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT sell arms to Ukrainian and he said yes sir. How stupid was that.
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT put our missile defense shield in NATO, he again says yes sir. How stupid was that.
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Obamafail asked Putin of all people to certify that all of Syria’s WMD were taking out of Syria and Putin lied to Obamafail. How stupid was that?
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Obamafail told Russia that once he is reelected he can be more flexible to what Putin wants. How stupid was that. Obamafail loved Putin and did whatever Putin wanted. How stupid was that. Watch the video.
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...4&action=click

Obamafail would not stand behind his RED LINE with Syria, Putin told him to stay away, and Obama jumped up and said yes sir.

More useless babbling about Obama
 
I'm not the one whose president is in bed with the Kremlin. :)


Do you understand the stupidity of your statement in a thread about Trump antagonizing the Kremlin?


That also goes for the rest of the weenie brigade who can't make up their mind because there's no wind today.
 
Putin scrapped that agreement when he signed it into law. He has not lived up to the agreement from day one. But what did Obama do to stop that. NOTHING. In fact here was Putin's relationship was with Obama.


Putin told Obamafail to stay out of Crimea and he said yes sir. How stupid was that???
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT sell arms to Ukrainian and he said yes sir. How stupid was that.
*
Putin told Obamafail to NOT put our missile defense shield in NATO, he again says yes sir. How stupid was that.
*
Obamafail asked Putin of all people to certify that all of Syria’s WMD were taking out of Syria and Putin lied to Obamafail. How stupid was that?
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Obamafail told Russia that once he is reelected he can be more flexible to what Putin wants. How stupid was that. Obamafail loved Putin and did whatever Putin wanted. How stupid was that. Watch the video.
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...4&action=click

Obamafail would not stand behind his RED LINE with Syria, Putin told him to stay away, and Obama jumped up and said yes sir.



Looks like Putin made Obama his bitch and now Trump has to work twice as hard to put him back in his place.
 
Looks like Putin made Obama his bitch and now Trump has to work twice as hard to put him back in his place.

trump isn't working twice as hard at anything...Except running his fat mouth...Now go babble about "Obama" some more
 
There shouldn't be any doubt left in the minds of people that Trump is still doing Putin's bidding. Don't believe for a minute that the U.S. is pulling out of the INF treaty because Russia wasn't compliant. That's horse****.

The U.S. has justified what the Russians have done - which was to violate this treaty. What they really wanted was what Trump delivered to them by breaking the treaty. Now they can say, "no no no, the U.S. broke the treaty. All that was disinformation by the United States, we kept the treaty" Now Russia is free to further expand it's nuclear power and their domination in that region of the world.

Trump just gave Putin the 'Willy Wonka Golden Ticket' to nuclear dominance.

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And what does that have to do with anything? Just how many u.s, satellites did China launch and why is that a problem? We are outsourcing our space program to private companies now anyway. China has followed suit too. Your whataboutisms have reached ludicrous speed

Regardless of which company wins the race, two things are clear. Privately funded space startups are changing China’s space industry. And even without their help, China is poised to become a space power on par with the United States.

As American and Russian space programs struggle with uncertain budgets, China is expanding its efforts on every front: communications and reconnaissance satellites; a navigation and positioning constellation to rival America’s GPS; a human spaceflight program; and ambitious space-science and robotic exploration projects. All of these are enabled by a menagerie of new rockets with advanced capabilities.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612595/china-launched-more-rockets-into-orbit-in-2018-than-any-other-country/
 
More useless babbling about Obama

Yeah it hurts, I know, but all you libs do is shove out useless babbling about Trump. You might try taking on policies rather that babbling.
 
Then you are twice as wrong for not seeing how Trump is weakening us and strengthening Putin's Russia. Do I need to spell it out for you once more?

https://themoscowproject.org/reports/putins-payout-10-ways-trump-has-supported-putins-foreign-policy-agenda/

Your argument, albeit clearly not of your making, is ludicrous. Virtually NOTHING you credit Trump with doing for Russia has any veracity, but merely the ranting of a liberal author, still butt hurt about the election. You do seem to have intimate knowledge of Putin's "goals". Maybe you are the one supporting Putin.
 
trump isn't working twice as hard at anything...Except running his fat mouth...Now go babble about "Obama" some more

There you go again, babbling, let's compare Obama vs Trump on policy.
 
Trump has just made the world an objectively more dangerous place. The speed with which Russia exited the INF treaty and moved to create new, previously banned weapons strongly suggests that this was at least one of the topics that Putin and Trump discussed in private.

There's no putting the genie back into this bottle. The new nuclear arms race has begun and no future Congress or President can stop it.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/world/europe/russia-inf-treaty.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

This is terrible.

Before you know it they will have enough nukes to decimate the entire continent.
 
And what does that have to do with anything? Just how many u.s, satellites did China launch and why is that a problem? We are outsourcing our space program to private companies now anyway. China has followed suit too. Your whataboutisms have reached ludicrous speed



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612595/china-launched-more-rockets-into-orbit-in-2018-than-any-other-country/

Bill Clinton takes campaign donations from the Chicom army and you don't see a problem? :lamo

So much for all your collusion crap.
 
Yeah it hurts, I know, but all you libs do is shove out useless babbling about Trump. You might try taking on policies rather that babbling.

"Useless babble" You mean like he's doing Putin's bidding? You might just benefit from paying attention to what's happening right before your eyes. While he drones on and on about the stupid wall, he's doing what's best for Trump & Family, not what's best for the United States.
 
This is terrible.

Before you know it they will have enough nukes to decimate the entire continent.

Cute, on an infantile level, but your post requires ignoring why the INF treaty was created in the first place.
 
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