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Russia is asking for Chinese aid

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An uncomfortable friendship? China's Russia problem


The "friendship" between Russia and China is very much a "friendship" in citations. Both countries would stab each other in the back in a heartbeat if that became the most advantegous move. It's all about being useful to each other, and the question is, can Russia be useful to China or not.
 

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An uncomfortable friendship? China's Russia problem


The "friendship" between Russia and China is very much a "friendship" in citations. Both countries would stab each other in the back in a heartbeat if that became the most advantegous move. It's all about being useful to each other, and the question is, can Russia be useful to China or not.
You mean they will act like the US does and in particular how it treats the EU?
 

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The US government has told Beijing there will be severe consequences if it helps Moscow avoid sanctions or aids the Russian military.

Phew! We managed to get past that one!

Oh, wait...didn't we tell Putin that there would be serious consequences if he invaded Ukraine? How is that one working?
 

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Phew! We managed to get past that one!

Oh, wait...didn't we tell Putin that there would be serious consequences if he invaded Ukraine? How is that one working?
It's ruining him and his country.
 

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It's ruining him and his country.
Sure. In another few years Russia will be an economic wasteland while Ukraine will be a physical wasteland. Great trade, isn't it?
 

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Phew! We managed to get past that one!

Oh, wait...didn't we tell Putin that there would be serious consequences if he invaded Ukraine? How is that one working?

As always, you're being disingenuous.

If Biden ordered the US to invade Russia you'd be crying. When Biden limits the US response to sending US weapons to Ukraine you whine like a school girl.

You couldn't care less about Ukraine. With you everything is about Joe Biden, because in 2020 he whipped your Commander Bone-Spurs.
 

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As always, you're being disingenuous.

If Biden ordered the US to invade Russia you'd be crying. When Biden limits the US response to sending US weapons to Ukraine you whine like a school girl.

You couldn't care less about Ukraine. With you everything is about Joe Biden, because in 2020 he whipped your Commander Bone-Spurs.
I'm being disingenuous? Well alrighty then!!

I would be upset if Biden ordered an invasion of Russia because, at least at this point, that would be a really stupid thing to do as Russia hasn't attacked anyone but Ukraine. However, I would be just fine with him sending RRR crews and air support to Ukraine as a way of assisting them in their defense from the Russian attack.

As far as your take on what I care about and why...opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one.
 

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The US government has told Beijing there will be severe consequences if it helps Moscow avoid sanctions or aids the Russian military.


What happened to your support for sovereign nations being allowed to make sovereign decisions free from outside influences/interference?
 

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I doubt China will do this, they are the factory of the world, they are not going to risk getting hit by sanctions for a country that cannot really be of such value to them that this is worth the risk

They are alreeady under sanctions. a quater of the worlds population is ubder US/western sanctions including the poor people of Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc

China and Russia have been pushed together by aggressive western policies that are aimed at curbing the challenge the present to western hegemony
 

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1.5 million Ukrainian refugees and 5000 dead Ukrainians, so far, are happier than a cat that the Russian economy is suffering.

With your approach, there may be a lot of American and European dead on top of those Ukrainian ones you mention. Between the extremes of starting a nuclear war with Russia and doing nothing, this seems like the most prudent middle path approach.
 
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