Russia collusion delusion

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I wonder with all the investigations and reports which have come out exonerating Trump and his campaign, along with the FBI being so slow in releasing records which are coming out weekly....how do the democrats, liberals, and progressives or never trumpers feel about being duped and lied to for the last four years?

I know there are some, who no matter what will always believe Trump colluded with Russia, so am not interested in hearing from the blind ones. Yet, there must be some honest seekers out there who are dismayed, frustrated, and po'ed over being lied to by democratic elected officials, the MSM, and some FBI agents. How does this make you feel?

You do realize that the latest Senate report includes Republicans? These Senate Republicans don't consider it a hoax.

I'm sorry, I hate to burst your idiotic Repug Fox Noise QAnon bubble.

 

[PNW Guy]

You do realize that the latest Senate report includes Republicans? These Senate Republicans don't consider it a hoax.

I'm sorry, I hate to burst your idiotic Repug Fox Noise QAnon bubble.

The technical term is, 'qanonsense'. :lamo

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

The technical term is, 'qanonsense'. :lamo

Yeah, Russian interference in the 2016 election was a hoax, but cannibalistic, pedophile Satanist Democrats is a real thing. Of course.

This country is so ****ed if Trump and the Repugs steal this election.

 

[PNW Guy]

Ooops, Re: Russia collusion delusion

Oops, NOT an exoneration....

A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?

....B. Hack and Leak, pp. 170-256

The section entitled “Hack and Leak” contains perhaps the frankest statements describing efforts by the Trump campaign institutionally—and Trump personally—to take advantage of Russia’s efforts, through Wikileaks, to damage Hillary Clinton’s candidacy:

While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump's electoral prospects. To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks.

The report summarizes the key role of Roger Stone in these efforts:....

It goes into much more, but it's not an exoneration at all.

 

[nota bene]

Yeah, Russian interference in the 2016 election was a hoax, but cannibalistic, pedophile Satanist Democrats is a real thing. Of course.

This country is so ****ed if Trump and the Repugs steal this election.

Are you going to assume if Trump is re-elected that the election was stolen?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

So, you have no response to the OP.....ok, move on and have a nice day. Not interested to the blind responding with hatred....only in those who have now realized they were duped and lied to for over four years....apparently, so far there are none of these honest seekers of truth on this forum....oh well.

I was being honest. You’re living in an alternate reality. Oh well.

 

[PNW Guy]

Are you going to assume if Trump is re-elected that the election was stolen?

If there's evidence of it, perhaps...?

But that's the very key difference here, I'd want to see some evidence of it. There's never been any evidence of "exoneration" Mueller explicitly said he did not exonerate the president, ergo, the premise of the thread is patently false, why is it in need of further discussion?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Are you going to assume if Trump is re-elected that the election was stolen?

Yes. All the polls are showing that Biden has a substantial lead. That wasn't the case in 2016.

In addition, Trump is purposely trying to shutdown/slow down the postal service in order to steal the election, he has already admitted this. So Trump has already marred any chance that he had of being seen as a legitimate victor in the election, and that is his own fault.

 

[PNW Guy]

So, you have no response to the OP.....ok, move on and have a nice day. Not interested to the blind responding with hatred....only in those who have now realized they were duped and lied to for over four years....apparently, so far there are none of these honest seekers of truth on this forum....oh well.

What's the problem? Did your thread fail so epically you've given up on it? Might want to try an honest OP, might work better.... :lamo

 

[redbeer]

WHen you can PROVE any"exoneration" happened, with actual evidence? Since it didn't, we know you can't. Did you not read about the senate report recently? Obviously not.... :lamo

Lol, denial of any "russian collusion" by Trump and his campaign has to be cult like attributes, for Trump has been shown many times that there was NO collusion between Russia, Trump or his campaign...end of story. Have a nice day.

 

[redbeer]

Manafort shared internal polling info with Russian intelligence, who he knew to be actively interfering in the election. That's called colluding.

Again, as if we needed further confirmation of what we already saw with our own eyes.

Also, I notice you didn't link to any of your "exonerations."

Trump and his campaign has been cleared of ANY collusion with Russia....it's over, you bought into the lie and from pride cannot and will not you were duped.....live with that.

 

[PNW Guy]

Lol, denial of any "russian collusion" by Trump and his campaign has to be cult like attributes, for Trump has been shown many times that there was NO collusion between Russia, Trump or his campaign...end of story. Have a nice day.

Naw, end of the story will be the indictments after the election night loss. :lamo

You'll pretend you never liked Trump within a year or less.:screwy

We've seen it before.... :2rofll:

Better luck on your next thread fail! :2rofll:

 

[redbeer]

The thread, based an a completely false premise has failed. Your failure is noted. When you can actually show ANY evidence of this mythical "exoneration" someone might take you seriously. Until then it's just more of the alt right CT theory lunacy in support of a failed presidency, and a failed man. :2rofll:

There is NO evidence that President Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia....you are simply in denial. It seems the cult of "collusion delusion" is alive and well, lol.

 

[redbeer]

Do you think the Mueller investigation shouldn't have happened?

According to the reports which continue to come out, thanks to the slow acting FBI....yes, the entire investigation was built upon sandy ground, i.e., upon lies....and the lies which the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign paid for from Russian contacts, which of course is the irony....this whole thing in incredible and watching the gullible fall for these lowlife's lies is incredulous to watch, imo.

 

[redbeer]

"Seekers of truth" see right through your false narrative; presents a massive problem for your argument....

It's really that simple, but from your posts, clearly a bit too complicated for you.... :2rofll:

Repeat, again.....there is NO evidence of ANY collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign....this is the truth, but you love the lies.....go figure and have a nice day.

 

[PNW Guy]

There is NO evidence that President Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia....you are simply in denial. It seems the cult of "collusion delusion" is alive and well, lol.

:screwy:lamo

 

[redbeer]

You do realize that the latest Senate report includes Republicans? These Senate Republicans don't consider it a hoax.

I'm sorry, I hate to burst your idiotic Repug Fox Noise QAnon bubble.

We all know Russia interfered in the election, that is not in question.....yet, what has been found, is that there was NO collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign....there's nothing there, there....yet the culties cannot and will not see truth....it's impossible for them.

 

[redbeer]

I was being honest. You’re living in an alternate reality. Oh well.

The truth is there is NO, zip evidence that Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia, but we do know the DNC and Hillary campaign colluded with Russia to dig up lies to overturn an election, even going so far to use the FBI in enforcement in these lies from Russia.....talk about collusion.

 

[redbeer]

What's the problem? Did your thread fail so epically you've given up on it? Might want to try an honest OP, might work better.... :lamo

Go troll somewhere else....have a nice day.

 

[Sand Castle]

The OP concerns "Russian Collusion", in which the country had to endure for over three years.

Where did you get this frame? The collusion by trump began before 2016 and continues to present. I'd say 5 years our country has and continues to endure trump's collusion with Putin

 

[PNW Guy]

Repeat, again.....there is NO evidence of ANY collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign....this is the truth, but you love the lies.....go figure and have a nice day.

You WANT to believe that, but even you know it's not the truth. You can keep repeating it and hope someone buys it, but your thread has been full of fail!:lamo

Bipartisan Senate Report Shows How Trump Colluded With Russia in 2016

Throughout the Trump era, the Senate Intelligence Committee has walked a careful line. The Republican-controlled committee has taken Russian interference seriously and conducted at least somewhat bipartisan investigations, occasionally infuriating Trump and his allies. Perhaps to soften the blow, the committee surprisingly released a damning 966-page report on Russian measures and the counterintelligence threat in the middle of the Democratic convention. And its Republican members covered themselves by insisting, preposterously, that its contents vindicated Trump.

“We can say, without any hesitation, that the committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election,” claimed acting chairman Marco Rubio.

That assessment is so bizarre that it has no relationship to the report at all. One could debate whether the report contains proof of collusion, depending on how you define the terms “proof” and “collusion.” But evidence of collusion? Well, there is unquestionably a whole lot of it....

But by all means, continue with your failure! It's what Trumpkins do best, like orange daddy, you guys just aren't very good at anything, except, charachter defects, you excel at that generally!:lamo

 

[redbeer]

Naw, end of the story will be the indictments after the election night loss. :lamo

You'll pretend you never liked Trump within a year or less.:screwy

We've seen it before.... :2rofll:

Better luck on your next thread fail! :2rofll:

Goodbye troll.

 

[PNW Guy]

Goodbye troll.

If personnal attacks are what you've devolved to, congratulations, you're almost as cool as orange daddy, but not really.... :lamo :screwy

 

[Mr Person]

Well, he did. It's just that Mueller was told to investigate:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a).

Rod Rosenstein’s Letter Appointing Mueller Special Counsel - The New York Times


And being a prosecutor, he focused on crimes. "Collusion" does not appear as a crime in the U.S. Code (that's why you focused on the word, of course). But criminal conspiracy does. And the only reason Trump skated is his people managed not to leave any evidence of an explicit agreement.

As the Mueller report explained, and the senate intelligence committee added to, Trump knowingly invited and received Russian interference in the election on his behalf.




Then there were the 14 instances of obstruction of justice Mueller emphatically did not clear Trump of, but was not allowed to indict Trump over (or, in his view, say that Trump was guilty).

Then there was Trump openly trying to extort announcements of sham investigations into Biden out of Ukraine using unlawful withholding of congressionally approved aid.

Then there was months of lying and denying on COVID, that has gotten over 170,000 Americans killed - nearing if not past three TIMES the number killed in Vietnam.

And those are just some of the highlights, all standing out in a sea of corruption, criminality, and profane incompetence.






But Trumpists don't care about the country. They'll happily destroy democracy itself - whatever is necessary - just so long as they can tell themselves they "owned the libruls". It's tragic, really.

See, what I mean....here is one who no matter how many investigations and reports have 100% exonerated President Trump and his campaign, will simply not want to hear any truth....it's the lies they love. You are not the kind of person I wish to talk to in this OP, as I stated.....move on and have a nice day.

See, this is what I mean. . . .

Now how much proof there is of Trump's corruption and criminality, Trumpists will just keep lying. This is because Trumpists believe if they simply refuse to read or hear something, that causes the thing to pop out of existence. And therefore, to the Trumpist's "mind", anyone talking about thing must be hoaxing. Like COVID, the hoax that killed 172,000+ of their fellow Americans.

So if the brilliant redbeer over here simply does not read the letter appointing Rosenstein, that means the fact that Mueller was not investigating "collusion" pop out of existence. And if he refuses to read the Mueller report, that means that Trump did not do anything.

No matter what is said about Trump, no matter what he is on recorded video saying, Trumpists will simply refuse to look at it.









Think about it: Ostrich's do not actually bury their head in the sand because they think it makes an approaching problem go away (which should be obvios; such a creature would de-select itself).

Trumpists do.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The truth is there is NO, zip evidence that Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia, but we do know the DNC and Hillary campaign colluded with Russia to dig up lies to overturn an election, even going so far to use the FBI in enforcement in these lies from Russia.....talk about collusion.

^^ Lying again, as usual.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump. He said there was “insufficient evidence” to prove conspiracy between senior Trump campaign members and Russian government officials. Not at all the same as “no evidence”.

HRC’s campaign took over the investigation of possible Trump illegal activities with Russian officials from a right wing news organization, and that investigation broke no laws.