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Russia’s track and field team banned from Olympics by IAAF for doping

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Russia’s track and field team banned from Olympics by IAAF for doping


Fri Jun. 17, 2016

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The Russian track and field team has been banned from competing at the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro after the country failed to reform its anti-doping policies. International Association of Athletics Federations, track and field's world governing body, made the unanimous decision on Friday. “There are detailed allegations, which are already partly substantiated, that the Russian authorities, far from supporting the anti-doping effort, have in fact orchestrated systematic doping and the covering up of adverse analytical findings,” the IAAF said in a statement. “The decision not to reinstate Russia means that Russian athletes remain ineligible under IAAF Rules to compete in International Competitions including the European Championships and the Rio 2016 Olympic Games.”

Russian track and field athletes have been banned from international competition by the IAAF since November 2015 after the governing anti-doping agency, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), discovered a widespread state-sponsored doping program in Russia. Days before the IAAF Rio vote today, WADA representatives attempting to collect new urine samples of athlete's in Russia were threatened by agents of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) and many Russian athlete's went into hiding to evade testing. Three Russian athlete's who were cooperating with the WADA investigation have fled Russia. Yesterday, Russian Sergey Kirdyapkin was stripped a Gold Medal won in London 2012 in the Men's 50 kilometre walk. The Gold Medal was awarded to Australian Jared Tallent who called for a ban of Russian athletes from the next Olympic Games over doping.

The final decision will be up to the International Olympic Committee (IOC), but it has never overruled a decision by the international organizations that oversee athletic jurisdictions. A compromise may be reached where Russian athlete's who have never previously tested positive can compete in Rio under a strenuous testing regimen.
 

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Interesting. Isn't their soccer team on the verge of being banned from the world cup too, except for fan violence? Or was that England? I know those two have been going at it as of late.
 

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Interesting. Isn't their soccer team on the verge of being banned from the world cup too, except for fan violence? Or was that England? I know those two have been going at it as of late.

Now that is a stout socialist response.
 

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You know what they say, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."
 

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Russia deserve all they got. It was as bad if not worse than the East German doping in that the supposed watchdog was the organiser! They haven't done nearly enough to clean up their act so thateven the corrupt IAAF can't turn a blind eye. The Olympic sponsors might be having a quiet word in the IOC's collective ear, so theymight yet sneak some competitors in.
 

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My personal opinion is that doping and steroid use should be mandatory and required to take part in professional sports. Just think how much more exciting they would be. Athletes could run faster, hit a ball further. The skies the limit.
 
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Doping: No change in Russian culture, says Wada's Sir Craig Reedie

There has been "no cultural change" in Russia since its athletes were banned from international competition last year, says World Anti-Doping Agency president Craig Reedie.


Coates says unlikely IOC will overturn IAAF ban

IOC vice president John Coates says he doesn’t think the International Olympic Committee will overturn an IAAF ban on Russia’s track and field federation.


Russia cries foul, rest of world welcomes IAAF's ban

Russia claimed the IAAF’s decision to continue its ban of Russian athletics on Friday was unfair and threatened legal action, while the rest of the world welcomed the move and urged the IOC not to go against it.


Vladimir Putin: banning Russian athletes for Olympics is unjust

Mr. Putin ... you have not even removed Vitaly Mutko, Russia's Minister of Sports, despite the fact that a state-sponsored doping-program was exposed by WADA almost a year ago. Your security service (FSB) threatened WADA inspectors while they endeavored to collect new urine samples (retesting) from Russian athlete's last week. Despite your mantra of Muscovite exceptionalism Mr. Putin, Russia must be held accountable when she violates international laws and norms.


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This is very serious stuff.

In Russia, sports is almost like a religion. (And the West knows this full well.)

There is going to be lots of pressure on Putin to respond as a proud world military power should.

Putin is under a lot of pressure from the West to agree with splitting Syria into three distinct areas.

This move of banning athletes is an attempt to force Putin to agree with this scenario.

The Russian People have always viewed themselves as "Slavic" (European) and not Chinese.

They believe in the same God as Europeans do and not Taoism or Confucianism, and thus would rather be cozy with Europe.

However; the more the West pushes and shoves, the more likely the Russian People will direct Putin to turn 100% towards China.

As it is right now, the Russian People are accusing Putin of only reacting to the West instead of outright acting as a world military power.

This is very serious sh?t.

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cheating is the one thing russians do well

Just look at how much "Cheating" the U.S. Capitalists and Economic Terrorists have done?

They rigged and manipulated every single financial segment/market of world economics for the past 50 years.

Libor Rates, Bond Rates, Gold Price just to name a few.

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This is very serious stuff.

In Russia, sports is almost like a religion. (And the West knows this full well.)

There is going to be lots of pressure on Putin to respond as a proud world military power should.

Putin is under a lot of pressure from the West to agree with splitting Syria into three distinct areas.

This move of banning athletes is an attempt to force Putin to agree with this scenario.

The Russian People have always viewed themselves as "Slavic" (European) and not Chinese.

They believe in the same God as Europeans do and not Taoism or Confucianism, and thus would rather be cozy with Europe.

However; the more the West pushes and shoves, the more likely the Russian People will direct Putin to turn 100% towards China.

As it is right now, the Russian People are accusing Putin of only reacting to the West instead of outright acting as a world military power.

This is very serious.

Calm
 

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Just look at how much "Cheating" the U.S. Capitalists and Economic Terrorists have done?

They rigged and manipulated every single financial segment/market of world economics for the past 50 years.

Libor Rates, Bond Rates, Gold Price just to name a few.

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the libor thing was brit not american clueless one. I never said americans dont cheat. reread my post for less hysteria.
 

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the libor thing was brit not american clueless one. I never said americans dont cheat. reread my post for less hysteria.

Bank of America Corp., HSBC Holdings Plc, Barclays Plc, Credit Suisse Group AG, Deutsche Bank AG, Royal Bank of Canada and Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc are the banks being sued in Manhattan.

I know you never said Americans don't cheat ..... I said it while trying to draw the comparisons.

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Bank of America Corp., HSBC Holdings Plc, Barclays Plc, Credit Suisse Group AG, Deutsche Bank AG, Royal Bank of Canada and Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc are the banks being sued in Manhattan.

I know you never said Americans don't cheat ..... I said it while trying to draw the comparisons.

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Plz reread the thread OP. This thread has nothing to do with banks or financial institutions.
 

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Simpleχity;1065978893 said:
Plz reread the thread OP. This thread has nothing to do with banks or financial institutions.

I compared "Russia Cheating" with other events of cheating.

Isn't this thread about "Cheating"?

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Isn't this thread about "Cheating"?
Cheating in-toto? No, it is not.

This thread is about a very specific case of cheating and the resultant consequence.

Russia’s track and field team banned from Olympics by IAAF for doping
 

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This is very serious stuff.

In Russia, sports is almost like a religion. (And the West knows this full well.)

There is going to be lots of pressure on Putin to respond as a proud world military power should.

Putin is under a lot of pressure from the West to agree with splitting Syria into three distinct areas.

This move of banning athletes is an attempt to force Putin to agree with this scenario.
Proof? Link? Anything?

Or just your particular speculation?

The Russian People have always viewed themselves as "Slavic" (European) and not Chinese.

They believe in the same God as Europeans do and not Taoism or Confucianism, and thus would rather be cozy with Europe.

However; the more the West pushes and shoves, the more likely the Russian People will direct Putin to turn 100% towards China.
What the Dickens are you on about here? Show some proof for these wild claims or resign yourself to them being regarded as nonsense.
As it is right now, the Russian People are accusing Putin of only reacting to the West instead of outright acting as a world military power.
.....and how the heck do you know what the Russian people think and feel on this?
 

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I compared "Russia Cheating" with other events of cheating.

Isn't this thread about "Cheating"?

Calm
No!

The topic is clearly and specifically defined in the OP.
 

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My personal opinion is that doping and steroid use should be mandatory and required to take part in professional sports. Just think how much more exciting they would be. Athletes could run faster, hit a ball further. The skies the limit.

Ever see Mark Maguire and Jose Canseco play?
 

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Proof? Link? Anything?

You both are partly right, partly - are wrong :) The West, of course, is now using all possible measures to restrain Russia wherever possible. And, sadly, the West has penetrated politics into the sport.

The sport in Russia, although plays a big role in people's lives. But I do not think more than in the same US. Although the American life I know mainly on American cinema, but in Russia there is not something like hobbies baseball in the United States.

Yes, we have a lot of football fans, there are fan clubs, there are mass marches after big games - but it is rather a subculture. Ordinary people are watching football or hockey on TV, often hotly debated, but it is not such a big part of their lives

But the West is once again wrong, trying to put pressure on Putin through pressure on Russia. The Russian people are not very fond of external aggression, it leads to the unity of the people around the leader. And the more the West puts pressure on Russia, the higher the growing popularity of Putin.

And now, with the attacks on the Russian sportsmens. Russian people is perceived as another act of direct aggression of the West. All the indignation of ordinary people very unanimously directed outward. Any opposition which disagreed with a similar, but loses its popularity (although the opposition has already lost so everything could lose).
 

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You both are partly right, partly - are wrong :) The West, of course, is now using all possible measures to restrain Russia wherever possible. And, sadly, the West has penetrated politics into the sport.

The sport in Russia, although plays a big role in people's lives. But I do not think more than in the same US. Although the American life I know mainly on American cinema, but in Russia there is not something like hobbies baseball in the United States.

Yes, we have a lot of football fans, there are fan clubs, there are mass marches after big games - but it is rather a subculture. Ordinary people are watching football or hockey on TV, often hotly debated, but it is not such a big part of their lives

But the West is once again wrong, trying to put pressure on Putin through pressure on Russia. The Russian people are not very fond of external aggression, it leads to the unity of the people around the leader. And the more the West puts pressure on Russia, the higher the growing popularity of Putin.

And now, with the attacks on the Russian sportsmens. Russian people is perceived as another act of direct aggression of the West. All the indignation of ordinary people very unanimously directed outward. Any opposition which disagreed with a similar, but loses its popularity (although the opposition has already lost so everything could lose).

Do you deny that the Russian Federation is NOT running a state sponsored doping scheme?
 

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You both are partly right, partly - are wrong :) The West, of course, is now using all possible measures to restrain Russia wherever possible. And, sadly, the West has penetrated politics into the sport.

The sport in Russia, although plays a big role in people's lives. But I do not think more than in the same US. Although the American life I know mainly on American cinema, but in Russia there is not something like hobbies baseball in the United States.

Yes, we have a lot of football fans, there are fan clubs, there are mass marches after big games - but it is rather a subculture. Ordinary people are watching football or hockey on TV, often hotly debated, but it is not such a big part of their lives

But the West is once again wrong, trying to put pressure on Putin through pressure on Russia. The Russian people are not very fond of external aggression, it leads to the unity of the people around the leader. And the more the West puts pressure on Russia, the higher the growing popularity of Putin.

And now, with the attacks on the Russian sportsmens. Russian people is perceived as another act of direct aggression of the West. All the indignation of ordinary people very unanimously directed outward. Any opposition which disagreed with a similar, but loses its popularity (although the opposition has already lost so everything could lose).
So to make sure I get this right, in your mind making Russian athletes follow the same rules as the rest of the world is an attack on Russia.
 

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Do you deny that the Russian Federation is NOT running a state sponsored doping scheme?

I have no objective information on this matter. If my personal opinion is interesting, then:

1. Various preparations are taked by all professional sportsmen in the world. What from these preparations to consider as a dope and what not to consider as a dope, specific people solve. These people can be very politized. And prohibitions can be not reasonable. As it has turned out in case of Meldonium.

2. Some specific violations using reasonably the forbidden preparations, certainly, are also in Russia. As well as in any other country. Sport is in the first business. And for the sake of business people are ready to go on crimes.

3. Doping scandals of the last time — such blow to prestige of the Russian sport that the government prepares the bill of criminal sanction for compulsion of athletes for doping. If the government of Russia has been involved in coercion to doping, similar was hardly possible.

4. Availability of any coercion equally or late emerges. In Russia 84 million adult peoples actively use the Internet. 70% of adult population. It is just impossible to conceal information which tens of thousands of athletes would face.

So my conclusions: Single severe doping violations, certainly, are. But the reason in them especially commercial, but not political. And Russia is distinguished with nothing from other countries here. And here all noise, scandals, prohibitions of the last time is just the political pressure upon Russia through sport.
 

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You both are partly right, partly - are wrong :) The West, of course, is now using all possible measures to restrain Russia wherever possible. And, sadly, the West has penetrated politics into the sport.

The sport in Russia, although plays a big role in people's lives. But I do not think more than in the same US. Although the American life I know mainly on American cinema, but in Russia there is not something like hobbies baseball in the United States.

Yes, we have a lot of football fans, there are fan clubs, there are mass marches after big games - but it is rather a subculture. Ordinary people are watching football or hockey on TV, often hotly debated, but it is not such a big part of their lives

But the West is once again wrong, trying to put pressure on Putin through pressure on Russia. The Russian people are not very fond of external aggression, it leads to the unity of the people around the leader. And the more the West puts pressure on Russia, the higher the growing popularity of Putin.

And now, with the attacks on the Russian sportsmens. Russian people is perceived as another act of direct aggression of the West. All the indignation of ordinary people very unanimously directed outward. Any opposition which disagreed with a similar, but loses its popularity (although the opposition has already lost so everything could lose).
Well, I don't see too many Western political talking heads bashing the Putin administration for allowing or perhaps even sponsoring nation wide doping activities in Russia.

Of course the one or other will get on the bus of bashing but, political influences notwithstanding, IAAF is held accountable for providing a level playing field to all athletes and that it saw itself hindered in "sampling" altogether in Russia is hardly refutable. The hindrance being possible only by collusion of authorities all the way to the FSB.

There is of course no proof forthcoming that authorities acted on directions from higher up, yet when cooperation is denied in the scope encountered, what alternatives are left but banning the whole team in lack of the ability to establish individual (athlete's and functionaries') responsibility?

The whole thing incidentally pains many of the political establishment in Western Europe. In view of wishing to get back to more normal relations with Russia overall, they needed this like a hole in the head.

That this development unites the bulk of the Russian people in outraged victimhood I have no doubt. Nor that it strengthens Putin's position among his own.

My demand for proof or a link was actually directed more at the poster supplying such nonsense as the whole issue being an affair of splitting Syria into three parts and twisting Putin's arm into him agreeing on that.
 
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