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Rush Limbaugh is on a Mission to Destroy Immigration Reform:[W:128]

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Thank you for sharing Media Matter's fair and balanced opinion. That's my first source when I want the unvarnished facts.
 
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Thank you for sharing Media Matter's fair and balanced opinion. That's my first source when I want the unvarnished facts.
Well, at least their responses are more factual and involve more research than anything spewing out of Limbaugh's mouth.
 
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Yep.

25 Examples That Prove Rush Limbaugh Is A "Low-Information" Radio Host | Research | Media Matters for America

Here's just a small sample of Rush idiocy:


Like I said, most people chuckle at the stupid which spews from that man's mouth.


Two of the examples you presented are wrong.

The one about the gun is not fact. Belchers girlfriend may have died despite the fact he did NOT own gun. Gun ownership is ancelariy to the primary mental stability of the person in question. Guns don't kill people mentally unstably people do.

The comment made by Rush on the debt ceiling is correct. It is a SPENDING problem and always has been. The debt ceiling is an ARTIFICIAL limit imposed by congress on itself, which it then routinely ignores said limits.
 
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I don’t believe the death of the Republican Party rests on a single bill in Congress. It shouldn’t!

One of the few times you and I agree.

I also don't think a single bill is going to spell the start or end of Republican support from hispanics. I actually think it's rather insulting to Hispanics how much whites in the media and politics seemingly stereotype them into a bunch of one issue automotons that think the same way because they all have brown skin.

1988, the election after Amnesty was signed into law by a Republican President? The Republican nominee got 30% of the Hispanic vote.

2000 and 2004, the supposedly Hispanic friendly Governor of Texas who spoke the language and was interested in being a "compassionate" conservative and would later go on to push for "comprehensive immigration reform"? George bush managed 35% and 40% (the 40% being the pathetic high water mark for Republicans in the past 30 years).

In 2008 with one of the biggest champions of "comprehensive immigration reform" in either party with John McCain? 31% of the vote

Over the past 30 years the Democrats have averaged just a sliver shy of 2/3rds of the Hispanic vote. That's been consistent in times where Republicans have willing to go along with flat out amnesty and when they haven't. When they've been supportive of "comprehensive" approaches and when they haven't.

Thinking that the hispanic vote is somehow magically wrapped up on this singular issue is idiotic. Thinking that somehow Republicans acting in the same general manner they've acted for 30 years is going to suddenly swing that vote total to 90%+ for hte Democrats is ALSO idiotic, and thinking that if this bill passes Republicans are suddenly going to do significantly better than their 31% average is equally idiotic.

The party, or even the fate of the latino vote, is not going to live or die on this one issue.
 
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Two of the examples you presented are wrong.

1. The one about the gun is not fact. Belchers girlfriend may have died despite the fact he did NOT own gun. Gun ownership is ancelariy to the primary mental stability of the person in question. Guns don't kill people mentally unstably people do.

2. The comment made by Rush on the debt ceiling is correct. It is a SPENDING problem and always has been. The debt ceiling is an ARTIFICIAL limit imposed by congress on itself, which it then routinely ignores said limits.
1, Nonsense. Guns make it easier for mentally unstable men to kill their estranged partners. That is a statistical fact.

2. False. The debt ceiling is a limit on the money we can borrow to pay for existing bills. The excessive spending is due to money being spent in realtime. This money is gone long before anyone looks at the debt ceiling. The issue of debt ceiling only occurs after the money has been spent, when the bill is due.
 
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1, Nonsense. Guns make it easier for mentally unstable men to kill their estranged partners. That is a statistical fact.

Makes it "easier", doesn't make it "a guarantee". Simply not having a gun would not have assured, in any way, that Kasandra Perkins would still be alive. It's POSSIBLE she'd still be alive, but it's quite feasible and legitimately possible she wouldn't be as well. Guns are not the only means to kill, spouses or lovers have killed using things OTHER than guns, so suggesting that "She'd be alive if he didn't have a gun" is not a correct assertion to make is CORRECT because that absolute statement is ignorant opinion being masquarded as fact.

What's funny is that Media Matter's does the same thing Rush does...takes portions of words, takes some evidence that they can present or skew in a particular way, and utilize the fact that hte format is entirely controlled by them to present a situation favorable to the point they're making because they know it's going to be consumed by typical hyper partisans that slavenly follow them. Which is why it's so deliciously ironic watching people counter Rush Limbaugh with something like that. It's like a three year old scolding a person who called them a "Doo doo head" by calling them a "poopey face".
 
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1, Nonsense. Guns make it easier for mentally unstable men to kill their estranged partners. That is a statistical fact.

2. False. The debt ceiling is a limit on the money we can borrow to pay for existing bills. The excessive spending is due to money being spent in realtime. This money is gone long before anyone looks at the debt ceiling. The issue of debt ceiling only occurs after the money has been spent, when the bill is due.

So are knifes hammers and other potential weapons which are used with as great or greater frequency. At the very least Media matters fact is quite debatable.

Its still a spending problem however you look at it.

In both cases Rush is NOT uninformed. His take on the matter disagrees with yours. Which makes him wrong from YOUR perspective and right from mine.
 
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One of the few times you and I agree.

I also don't think a single bill is going to spell the start or end of Republican support from hispanics. I actually think it's rather insulting to Hispanics how much whites in the media and politics seemingly stereotype them into a bunch of one issue automotons that think the same way because they all have brown skin.

1988, the election after Amnesty was signed into law by a Republican President? The Republican nominee got 30% of the Hispanic vote.

2000 and 2004, the supposedly Hispanic friendly Governor of Texas who spoke the language and was interested in being a "compassionate" conservative and would later go on to push for "comprehensive immigration reform"? George bush managed 35% and 40% (the 40% being the pathetic high water mark for Republicans in the past 30 years).

In 2008 with one of the biggest champions of "comprehensive immigration reform" in either party with John McCain? 31% of the vote

Over the past 30 years the Democrats have averaged just a sliver shy of 2/3rds of the Hispanic vote. That's been consistent in times where Republicans have willing to go along with flat out amnesty and when they haven't. When they've been supportive of "comprehensive" approaches and when they haven't.

Thinking that the hispanic vote is somehow magically wrapped up on this singular issue is idiotic. Thinking that somehow Republicans acting in the same general manner they've acted for 30 years is going to suddenly swing that vote total to 90%+ for hte Democrats is ALSO idiotic, and thinking that if this bill passes Republicans are suddenly going to do significantly better than their 31% average is equally idiotic.

The party, or even the fate of the latino vote, is not going to live or die on this one issue.

Well said.
 
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Makes it "easier", doesn't make it "a guarantee". Simply not having a gun would not have assured, in any way, that Kasandra Perkins would still be alive. It's POSSIBLE she'd still be alive, but it's quite feasible and legitimately possible she wouldn't be as well. Guns are not the only means to kill, spouses or lovers have killed using things OTHER than guns, so suggesting that "She'd be alive if he didn't have a gun" is not a correct assertion to make is CORRECT because that absolute statement is ignorant opinion being masquarded as fact.

What's funny is that Media Matter's does the same thing Rush does...takes portions of words, takes some evidence that they can present or skew in a particular way, and utilize the fact that hte format is entirely controlled by them to present a situation favorable to the point they're making because they know it's going to be consumed by typical hyper partisans that slavenly follow them. Which is why it's so deliciously ironic watching people counter Rush Limbaugh with something like that. It's like a three year old scolding a person who called them a "Doo doo head" by calling them a "poopey face".

So are knifes hammers and other potential weapons which are used with as great or greater frequency. At the very least Media matters fact is quite debatable.

Its still a spending problem however you look at it.

In both cases Rush is NOT uninformed. His take on the matter disagrees with yours. Which makes him wrong from YOUR perspective and right from mine.
Yeah, yeah. Facts have a liberal bias...
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In 2000, in homicides where the weapon was known, 50 percent (1,342 of 2,701) of female homicide victims were killed with a firearm. Of those female firearm homicides, 1,009 women (75 percent) were killed with a handgun.

Domestic violence against women is a disturbingly common occurrence in the United States. Estimates from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) indicate that from 1993 to 1998, women were victims of violent crimes by their intimate partners an average of more than 935,000 times a year. During this period, intimate-partner violence comprised 22 percent of all violent crimes against women. Although firearms are used in a relatively small percentage of domestic violence incidents, when a firearm is present, domestic violence can and all too often does turn into domestic homicide. Congress, recognizing the unique and deadly role firearms play in domestic violence passed the Protective Order Gun Ban in 1994. The law prohibits gun possession by a person against whom there is a restraining or protective order for domestic violence. In 1996, Congress passed the Domestic Violence Misdemeanor Gun Ban, which prohibits anyone convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence or child abuse from purchasing or possessing a gun.

A 1997 study that examined the risk factors for violent death for women in the home found that when there were one or more guns in the home, the risk of suicide among women increased nearly five times and the risk of homicide increased more than three times. The increased risk of homicide associated with firearms was attributable to homicides at the hands of a spouse, intimate acquaintance, or close relative.

An analysis of female domestic homicides (a woman murdered by a spouse, intimate acquaintance, or close relative) showed that prior domestic violence in the household made a woman 14.6 times more likely, and having one or more guns in the home made a woman 7.2 times more likely, to be the victim of such a homicide.
 
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Has anyone noticed that Rush Limbaugh has gotten more face time on Fox News and other Right Wing Media outlets than ever perhaps in his entire career. I always thought Rush Limbaugh loathed Television appearances, so why is he going on Fox News? Is it really to kill immigration reform? And what does Rush get out of that? Why is he telling his listeners to stop watching Fox News and other right wing media? Is it solely because he hates them that much or is someone else pulling his strings. Obama always says Rush is the main problem with the right, but I've never seen him this fired up for months about a single topic.

In case you didn't know, these are the two theories about Immigration Reform inside the Republican Party:

If it is passed, Republicans will become so liberal that they wouldn't be distinguishable from the Democratic Party, and that it would mean the death of the party. This is Limbaugh's view, and most of right wing radio.

If it isn't passed, Republicans will not be appealing to Hispanic voters, and it will seem like they don't know how to function as a party and get things done. This will mean the death of the party. This is the view of Bush, Rubio and most of the party leadership as well as Democrats and liberals


I don’t believe the death of the Republican Party rests on a single bill in Congress. It shouldn’t! It does however, scare me that a few obnoxious radio talk show hosts can sway political opinions in the party by simply using scary talking points.

Wait until 2016 when they need to win a national election, Rush will be singing a different tune then.

For 2014, the whole point for most of the Republicans in the House is to avoid a primary challenge from a TPer. Then they can coast to re-election, but being hard to the right isn't going to hurt them. You can thank Elbridge Gerry for that.

Bush and Rubio can afford to be a little more to the center because neither of them are trying to get re-elected in 2014. The next thing on their radars is going to be running for President in 2016, so they need to have broader appeal.
 
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No, facts don't have a liberal bias. The pathetic attempt to spin them and act like facts stating one thing justifies statements saying an entirely different thing is what is the bias...it's a Rush Limbuagh, Media Matters, and based on your last post, YOU speciality.

Making a person "more likely" to be a victim of a homocide....

Having 50% of the women killed in homocides killed by a firearm....

Having a gun in the home may inrease the risk of homocide...

Having it that domestic violence CAN turn into domestic homocide....

NONE of that in any way, shape, or form disproves or invalidates Rush's disagreement with those suggesting that if Belcher didn't have a gun that would mean that Kasandra Perkins would still be alive today. On the contrary, your own link had information that actually supports RUSH'S view!

50% of homocides of females involved a firearm. That means 50% of homocides of females involved something OTHER than a gun. The source you linked can just as easily be used to show that even without a gun, there was still significant potential that Ms. Perkins would've been murdered that day.
 
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So are knifes hammers and other potential weapons which are used with as great or greater frequency. At the very least Media matters fact is quite debatable.

Its still a spending problem however you look at it.

In both cases Rush is NOT uninformed. His take on the matter disagrees with yours. Which makes him wrong from YOUR perspective and right from mine.

Statistics are not debatable, they are just data. And the data shows that it is the presence of a gun that increases the chance of a wife being killed by her husband, not a hammer or a knife.
 
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Statistics are not debatable, they are just data. And the data shows that it is the presence of a gun that increases the chance of a wife being killed by her husband, not a hammer or a knife.

See post 36 his argument is mine.
 
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No, facts don't have a liberal bias. The pathetic attempt to spin them and act like facts stating one thing justifies statements saying an entirely different thing is what is the bias...it's a Rush Limbuagh, Media Matters, and based on your last post, YOU speciality.

Making a person "more likely" to be a victim of a homocide....

Having 50% of the women killed in homocides killed by a firearm....

Having a gun in the home may inrease the risk of homocide...

Having it that domestic violence CAN turn into domestic homocide....

NONE of that in any way, shape, or form disproves or invalidates Rush's disagreement with those suggesting that if Belcher didn't have a gun that would mean that Kasandra Perkins would still be alive today. On the contrary, your own link had information that actually supports RUSH'S view!

50% of homocides of females involved a firearm. That means 50% of homocides of females involved something OTHER than a gun. The source you linked can just as easily be used to show that even without a gun, there was still significant potential that Ms. Perkins would've been murdered that day.

You're obviously not smart enough to see that the presence of a gun increases the likelihood of domestic homicide.
 
Re: Rush Limbaugh is on a Mission to Destroy Immigration Reform:

Has anyone noticed that Rush Limbaugh has gotten more face time on Fox News and other Right Wing Media outlets than ever perhaps in his entire career. I always thought Rush Limbaugh loathed Television appearances, so why is he going on Fox News? Is it really to kill immigration reform? And what does Rush get out of that? Why is he telling his listeners to stop watching Fox News and other right wing media? Is it solely because he hates them that much or is someone else pulling his strings. Obama always says Rush is the main problem with the right, but I've never seen him this fired up for months about a single topic.

In case you didn't know, these are the two theories about Immigration Reform inside the Republican Party:

If it is passed, Republicans will become so liberal that they wouldn't be distinguishable from the Democratic Party, and that it would mean the death of the party. This is Limbaugh's view, and most of right wing radio.

If it isn't passed, Republicans will not be appealing to Hispanic voters, and it will seem like they don't know how to function as a party and get things done. This will mean the death of the party. This is the view of Bush, Rubio and most of the party leadership as well as Democrats and liberals


I don’t believe the death of the Republican Party rests on a single bill in Congress. It shouldn’t! It does however, scare me that a few obnoxious radio talk show hosts can sway political opinions in the party by simply using scary talking points.

This should not surprise anybody, as Fat Rush is the head of the Republican Party. Oxycontin Rush says 'jump' and Republicans everywhere say 'how high, sir?"
 
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Rush is a GENIUS SPIN JOCKEY...and a manipulator of shallow minds. And he's good at it because a lot of people believe everything he says is "true". They know he's an ass, but they believe everything he says...and NEVER CHECK for the validity or truthfulness of his comments based on the original context of any event he is raging about.

In other words...his creed is: "Just because I made it up doesn't mean it's not true!"
 
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You're obviously not smart enough to see that the presence of a gun increases the likelihood of domestic homicide.

Strawman, in typical media matters style.

The assertion isn't that the presence of a gun does or does not increase the likelihood of domestic homicide.

The assertion that Rush was speaking against was that Ms. Perkins WOULD be alive today IF Belcher did not have a gun.

That assertion is ridiculous as a stated absolute because facts, including the ones YOU posted, don't back that up. Arguing that without a gun she'd be "more likely" to be alive is not the same as suggesting she "WOULD BE" alive.

I suggest you perhaps stop using strawmans, poor logic, and hollow debate tactics of typical hyper partisans before you start questioning the intelligence of those that are simply insightful enough to shine a light upon your pathetic propoganda points.
 
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I don't like having a radio commentator anywhere near the halls of power in any party. However, if that's what it takes to get the republicans off this insane ledge without jumping for amnesty - Go Rush!
 
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Strawman, in typical media matters style.

The assertion isn't that the presence of a gun does or does not increase the likelihood of domestic homicide.

The assertion that Rush was speaking against was that Ms. Perkins WOULD be alive today IF Belcher did not have a gun.

That assertion is ridiculous as a stated absolute because facts, including the ones YOU posted, don't back that up. Arguing that without a gun she'd be "more likely" to be alive is not the same as suggesting she "WOULD BE" alive.

I suggest you perhaps stop using strawmans, poor logic, and hollow debate tactics of typical hyper partisans before you start questioning the intelligence of those that are simply insightful enough to shine a light upon your pathetic propoganda points.

No. Rush Dismissed the assertion. It was he who jumped to conclusions.

Since guns definitely make it far more likely that a domestic dispute ends in murder, saying the shooting victim would still be alive today, though not assured, cannot simply be dismissed. In fact, when one looks at murder-suicide without a gun, the numbers are so low that one could safely assert that, if not both, at least one or the other, the football player and/or his wife, would be alive today were it not for the gun.

BTW: How's that Romney landlside going? You have to admit that was Rush telling his listeners an outright lie.
 
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Rush didn't say not to watch FOX television. The Daily Caller misquoted Rush. I was listening at the time to the call and his response. The gist of the statement as I remember he told Tony from Tampa Florida I believe is don't watch the liberals on Fox or were ever. He never said don't watch fox. The Daily Caller or whoever just ginned something out of nothing.

ModGOP knew this fact before even posting this thread. He's just looking to put down anyone that is fed up with the establishment GOP in Washington, because their compromise to the liberals is what he wants.
 
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Yep.

25 Examples That Prove Rush Limbaugh Is A "Low-Information" Radio Host | Research | Media Matters for America

Here's just a small sample of Rush idiocy:


Like I said, most people chuckle at the stupid which spews from that man's mouth.

Oooooh! Oooooh! My turn with the source put down.

Media Matters? Really?

By "low information voter" he means stupid voters, who are the core constituency for the Democrats.
 
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Oooooh! Oooooh! My turn with the source put down.

Media Matters? Really?

By "low information voter" he means stupid voters, who are the core constituency for the Democrats.
And whats so funny about people bashing Limbaugh the way they do is that they do the same thing they accuse his listeners of. They follow the marching orders of the pundits who will take a snippet of his words and spin it to mean something he didn't. Then these faithful lemming follow their marching orders.
 
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Rush is a GENIUS SPIN JOCKEY...and a manipulator of shallow minds. And he's good at it because a lot of people believe everything he says is "true". They know he's an ass, but they believe everything he says...and NEVER CHECK for the validity or truthfulness of his comments based on the original context of any event he is raging about.

In other words...his creed is: "Just because I made it up doesn't mean it's not true!"

Actually, Limbaugh has an agency that checks the accuracy of his on-air factual statements. He is correct 98.5% of the time according to them. Moreover, his listeners are among the most informed around, according to a Pew poll.

He makes about $150 million a year.
 
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And whats so funny about people bashing Limbaugh the way they do is that they do the same thing they accuse his listeners of. They follow the marching orders of the pundits who will take a snippet of his words and spin it to mean something he didn't. Then these faithful lemming follow their marching orders.

Yeah, right. Media Matters made up the fact that Limpjaw predicted a Romney landslide. Must be another liberal conspiracy. :roll:
 
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Something else. When something is titled, do you all think it is reality to what it addresses? Do you all really think the text of something titled "Immigration Reform" really addresses what you think immigration reform should be?

Most of us want immigration reform. However, we all have varying thoughts of what that should and should not be. Unless this immigration reform first completes the promises of the immigration reform of the 80's, then forget about it.
 
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