Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

[Josie]

Atheist? Hmmm....that might be true. I don't know his heart, but his past religious experience is attending a black liberation theology church with anti-American hate-filled sermons. I can't even imagine my preacher talking politics from the pulpit. I'd walk out if he did.

 

[Josie]

OV, I also ask you to filter out the white noise. I listen to talk radio everyday and none of those things are why I dislike the President. His policies are bad for the country: spending us into oblivion, being for the "second bill of rights", promoting unConstitutional laws like health care, etc. etc.. This isn't what our country was meant to be. We weren't meant to be slaves to our government. Bigger government is anti-freedom.

 

[Objective Voice]

But I do! I don't take just one issue and jump on it at face value. I try as best I can to do my own homework, i.e., actually reading the health care legistlation (which I'm still doing), trying to find the truth on various matter by researching them online or in public libraries. Health care reform, for example...not everything that's being said about it by the GOP is true. Unfortunately, the Democrats aren't doing a very good job of answering the question most Americans have, towit: "What's in it for me?"

As to it's constitutionality, I'll leave that up to the Supreme Court to decide. Moreover, let's just leave that topic for another debate (if it hasn't already been debated to death by now in (an)other thread(s)).

As for the President's policies, have you actually gone to WhiteHouse.gov and reviewed the bills the President has signed since taking office? How many of those bills are actually taking away your rights? Name one beside the health care bill (which according to our current way of obtaining health insurance isn't as problematic as many people have been led to believe, but like I said let's leave that for another debate.) The way I see it he's at least attempting to address many of the issues that have been largely ignored by his predecesor, i.e., energy independence, health care, unfair tax codes, improving education and/or making it more easily accessible and affordable to all, improving/strengthening foreign relations, financial regulatory reforms on both the private and corporate levels. These issues and others needed to be addressed in this country. You may not agree 100% with the way they're being addressed - I know I don't - but at least they're no longer being ignored.

(And BTW, if people really knew how former President GW Bush trampled all over our freedoms, I think most folks would think again about what "freedoms" they think Pres. Obama is/has taken away. And this issue of bigger government...who established the Dept. of Homeland Security again? Not that it's a bad idea...consolidating all facets of our nation's gov't security agencies under one umbrella is a good thing, but to ignore the fact that this new department didn't increase the size of government thereby forming a new bueracracy is foolhearty. Good program, but who started it has been largely forgetten because many people, including myself, see it as a good thing because we like the idea that we're safer now than we were without it.)

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

So, are you for tearing down the mosque that's closer to Ground Zero? Because basically what you and others are saying is that no mosque should be that close to those hallowed grounds.

No we're not. We're saying that no new one's should be built there. To me, if it's hurting NYer's that lost loved ones, and they don't want it there, that's the way it should be.

Also, and this is what I would love about it, is we're saying to all Muslim's who hate us, we ain't takin no **** from you.

This imam (Rauf) needs checked out, and where the money's coming from. I think it's all very fishy. Imam Rauf wouldn't denounce Hamas, either. What kind of person wouldn't quickly denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization. It's listed as such by the State Dept.

Excerpt from a New York Post article:

Tom Brown, a chief opponent of the mosque, said: "This is what we've been saying . . . Imam Rauf is a radical Muslim who will not call Hamas a terror group."
A retired firefighter who was a first responder on 9/11, Brown lost 100 of his FDNY friends at the Twin Towers.
"How much evidence do we need that this guy is a radical Muslim?" he asked.
"If Rauf really were a bridge builder and an interfaith guy and all the things he professes to be, he wouldn't be doing this to people."
Abdul Rauf raised eyebrows last week when he departed on a State Department-sponsored goodwill mission to the Middle East, despite concerns that the trip may be helping him with the mosque's $100 million fund-raising goal.
The Obama administration insisted the trip, reportedly with stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Qatar, was strictly to improve understanding about Muslim communities in the United States.
But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he said he would also collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world -- raising the possibility that the American government is helping him build contacts in oil-rich states.

Read more: Hamas nod for Ground Zero mosque - NYPOST.com

 

[Objective Voice]

And your're taking the advice of a retired NY Firefighter who's position is clearly bias because he lost friends/coworkers/colleagues in the 9/11 attack as the truth as to what this Imam's intentions for building this community center is really about?

I've said it from day-1 and I'll say it again, I understand the sensative nature behind the objections of those who don't want this community center/mosque built, but it's not being built on Ground Zero. Furthermore, if we're ever going to get beyond our misguided fears and, thereby stop lumping all Muslims in the same category as those who did us harm on that dreadful day, we have to start somewhere in forming peaceful relations between Islam and Christianity. It's this same religious ideology that has kept Isreal and Palestine apart for so many years. If we don't do that now, then this country will be no better off than we were when instead of arguing on religious ideals we instead nearly tore this country apart because of the color of our skin. Does it make much sense to you to return to such hateful, despicable times? Because if we continue on this path that's exactly where we're headed. And we give radical Islam the very Holy War they want.

I'm not saying we cave in to avoid the unknown. I'm saying we march forward showing the very example of diplomacy and democracy we claim we're trying to spread around the world by setting the tone for peace right here and now within our own boarders.

(And BTW, I agree with following the money trail. It's the one rational position I'd agree with on the side of the opposition on this matter. Follow it just as we did in the days following 9/11, and if it is determined that contributors are sponsors of terrorism and that the Imam or members of the community center's leadership were aware of its true origins, you let local and federal law enforcement do what they do including shutting the place down if they must. But if such should happen, at least we keep our founding priciples and the rule of law intact.)

 

[FilmFestGuy]

No we're not. We're saying that no new one's should be built there. To me, if it's hurting NYer's that lost loved ones, and they don't want it there, that's the way it should be.

Also, and this is what I would love about it, is we're saying to all Muslim's who hate us, we ain't takin no **** from you.

This imam (Rauf) needs checked out, and where the money's coming from. I think it's all very fishy. Imam Rauf wouldn't denounce Hamas, either. What kind of person wouldn't quickly denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization. It's listed as such by the State Dept.

Excerpt from a New York Post article:



Read more: Hamas nod for Ground Zero mosque - NYPOST.com

What you're saying is that an angry mob can tell the legal owners of private land what they can do with it. And that an angry mob can restrict someone's First Amendment rights to free practice of religion and association.

Why don't you ask Bush & Cheney what they thought about Imam Rauf when they hired him to be an advocate of Islam in America to the Middle East and a bridge between the US and the Muslim world? 'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Was A Bush-Era Partner For Mideast Peace | TPMMuckraker

Let us also recall that Hamas came to power because of an ill-advised move by Bush and Rice to have the Palestinians hold open Democratic elections (obviously failing to recognize that Hamas did more to get aid to poor Palestinians that the government did). And there's suggestion that they also advised the ill-fated attempt of Fatah to use arms to get rid of Hamas in the West Bank, leading the Civil War that eventually led to the Hamas takeover of Gaza.

The Gaza Bombshell | Politics | Vanity Fair

Yeah. Hamas sucks. They're also partially in power in Gaza because of American mistakes.

But, those of you who are shouting down the Cordoba House project are providing perfect fodder for Hamas and other recruiters of terrorists. The faces of angry white Americans shouting down an attempt to create an open-to-the-public Islamic center only proves to them that we are at war with their religion and not its extremists. Why even try to be moderate if moderates are going to be treated the same as terrorists? The faces and posters of these protesters are going to show up on terror websites around the Middle East - where Imam Rauf is currently on a speaking tour where he is touting how positive it is to be a Muslim in America and how America doesn't hate Islam. Ironic, isn't it?

 

[Objective Voice]

FFG,

Exactly! It's what I've been saying almost from the day this mosque issue hit a fever pitch. It's dangerous for this nation to be taking the stance against it! We're inviting the very Holy War radical Islam is looking for, and if we're not careful they'll get it!!

 

[hazlnut]

Someone might inform this moron that Beck doesn't think Obama is a Muslim and also doesn't believe all Muslims are responsible for 9/11. Sheesh.

Perhaps reading the entire transcript might help:

Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - Pelosi wants to investigate Ground Zero mosque opponents

And why did they show Glenn's picture when Rush was talking?

If you're going to pretend Beckie doesn't stir up the base with ignorance and hate... you're going to be laughed out of this thread...

Sure, he always backpedals a little after spending a good amount of time hammering home a hateful point, but dropping in a "I'm not saying that..." at the end doesn't mean ****.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

And your're taking the advice of a retired NY Firefighter who's position is clearly bias because he lost friends/coworkers/colleagues in the 9/11 attack as the truth as to what this Imam's intentions for building this community center is really about?

The firefighter wanted to know where the money is coming from for the mosque/community center, and said that the imam Rauf was a bad guy. Rauf did say that America was an accessory for the crime of 9/11 that occurred.

Does it make much sense to you to return to such hateful, despicable times? Because if we continue on this path that's exactly where we're headed. And we give radical Islam the very Holy War they want.

We're not the one's with the hate. It doesn't matter what we do if they want a Holy War. That's what this imam Rauf said. He said we brought on 9/11.

I'm not saying we cave in to avoid the unknown. I'm saying we march forward showing the very example of diplomacy and democracy we claim we're trying to spread around the world by setting the tone for peace right here and now within our own boarders.

See what I said above. It doesn't matter how diplomatic we are. If they want war, being all nicey nice, and sweetie sweet is only going to look weak in their eyes.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

What you're saying is that an angry mob can tell the legal owners of private land what they can do with it. And that an angry mob can restrict someone's First Amendment rights to free practice of religion and association.

No angry mob. Just over 60% of American's.

Why don't you ask Bush & Cheney what they thought about Imam Rauf when they hired him to be an advocate of Islam in America to the Middle East and a bridge between the US and the Muslim world?

Maybe Rauf is a smooth operator.

But, those of you who are shouting down the Cordoba House project are providing perfect fodder for Hamas and other recruiters of terrorists. The faces of angry white Americans shouting down an attempt to create an open-to-the-public Islamic center only proves to them that we are at war with their religion and not its extremists. Why even try to be moderate if moderates are going to be treated the same as terrorists? The faces and posters of these protesters are going to show up on terror websites around the Middle East - where Imam Rauf is currently on a speaking tour where he is touting how positive it is to be a Muslim in America and how America doesn't hate Islam. Ironic, isn't it?

You know a lot, so I'm sure you know they like to build their mosques at the sites of their victories. This might be the message they receive if this mosque gets built so close to Ground Zero.

 

[Agent Ferris]

I find this to be right on target.

The man is a bold faced liar. If a Sharia supporting Islamist who says that America is an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after the attacks, and refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, is moderate then what's a radical?

 

[Agent Ferris]

I think the point the commentator from MSNBC was trying to make is this...

Althought guys like Rush, Hannity and even Levin might say, "I don't believe he (Pres. Obama) is a Muslim," they stop short of proclaiming that he is a Christian. By doing so, they absolve themselves of having the finger pointed at them that they've ever stated affirmatively that Pres. Obama is a Muslim. But...

They go out of their way at every turn to "link" the President w/radical Muslims, i.e., "he won't comment on whether it's right or wrong to build the Mosque at Ground Zero", "he bows to the Saudi prince, etc., who we all know is of the Muslim faith," "he was a member of Rev. Wright's church for 20 yrs", etc., etc., etc.

Or the fact that he invited the President of an organization listed by the FBI as unindicted coconspirators in terrorist financing over for Ramadan dinner? Yes pointing out facts = labeling Obama a Muslim. 10 10 10 on those mental gymnatics.

 

[Your Star]

The man is a bold faced liar. If a Sharia supporting Islamist who says that America is an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after the attacks, and refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, is moderate then what's a radical?

I must ask, where is the quote of him wanting to implement Sharia in the States?

 

[Agent Ferris]

I must ask, where is the quote of him wanting to implement Sharia in the States?

He wrote an entire article on the subject:

At the core of Shariah law are God's commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

On Faith Panelists Blog: How Islamic Law Can Work - Feisal Abdul Rauf

His only opposition to current Sharia is the stringent penal codes involved, however, though the punishments would not be as severe this would still entail the criminization of homosexuality, apostasy, premarital sex, adultery, along with the various gender discriminatory regulations found in Sharia; such as, unequal inheritance for women even when they are of equal relation to the deceased as the male heir.

 

[Barbbtx]

Or the fact that he invited the President of an organization listed by the FBI as unindicted coconspirators in terrorist financing over for Ramadan dinner? Yes pointing out facts = labeling Obama a Muslim. 10 10 10 on those mental gymnatics.

Oooh... interesting. Is there a list of guests somewhere? Obama always seems to have a few radicals or felons over when he is having a party. He seems to attract them like flies.

 

[Your Star]

He wrote an entire article on the subject:



His only opposition to current Sharia is the stringent penal codes involved, however, though the punishments would not be as severe this would still entail the criminization of homosexuality, apostasy, premarital sex, adultery, along with the various gender discriminatory regulations found in Sharia; such as, unequal inheritance for women even when they are of equal relation to the deceased as the male heir.

And I disagree with that. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a right to build that mosque. Nor that blaming Muslim Americans for the attacks on 9/11 is any less ignorant. Also our Constitution protects us from Sharia, so it's going to even effect us ever. I'm not a Muslim, I'm not here to defend Islam, but I won't sit quietly while people bash Muslims that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11.

 

[Barbbtx]

Also our Constitution protects us from Sharia, so it's going to even effect us ever..

Never say never. Dearborn Mich and NJ are just two that are on their way.
Oklahoma on Nov.2 is voting on a law to forbid courts to consider Sharia Law.
A google of Sharia Law United States might give you pause.

 

[Your Star]

Never say never. Dearborn Mich and NJ are just two that are on their way.
Oklahoma on Nov.2 is voting on a law to forbid courts to consider Sharia Law.
A google of Sharia Law United States might give you pause.

The First Amendment also protects us from religion. So if anyone tries to put Sharia into law it will be shot down on a First Amendment basis. If a state does implement it, then the Supreme Court will cut it down. Though I wouldn't mind laws to specifically deny Sharia being implemented, even if they would be redundant.

 

[Agent Ferris]

And I disagree with that. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a right to build that mosque. Nor that blaming Muslim Americans for the attacks on 9/11 is any less ignorant. Also our Constitution protects us from Sharia, so it's going to even effect us ever. I'm not a Muslim, I'm not here to defend Islam, but I won't sit quietly while people bash Muslims that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11.

A) I understand that he has the right to build his Mosque, however, we retain the right to build his Mosque or enter into voluntary contracts to trade our labour for his capital.

B) I understand that Sharia law in the U.S. will very likely never happen, however, neither will the National Socialist Party likely ever obtain political power in this country, does that mean we shouldn't condemn the National Socialist Party and counter-protest them at every turn?

 

[Agent Ferris]

Oooh... interesting. Is there a list of guests somewhere? Obama always seems to have a few radicals or felons over when he is having a party. He seems to attract them like flies.

There were actually two Islamists present, this is from Frontpage and I haven't had time to do my own research into these people yet but I'll attempt to find less controversial sources on the matter before I start an OP on the subject:

Obama’s Radical Guests | FrontPage Magazine

 

[Jetboogieman]

There were actually two Islamists present, this is from Frontpage and I haven't had time to do my own research into these people yet but I'll attempt to find less controversial sources on the matter before I start an OP on the subject:

Obama’s Radical Guests | FrontPage Magazine

Front... Page... Mag...

With all of the hubbub surrounding President Obama’s apparent endorsement of the Ground Zero mega mosque

He didn't endorse it. He spoke on their constitutional rights. -1 point to front page mag

And apparently, President Obama is following Mattson’s advice in purging the phrase “Islamic terrorism” from his administration’s lexicon. Is it any wonder that she was on Obama’s guest list for the Ramadan dinner?

Guess they can't prove this?

The rest of it is speculation might I add. They weren't convicted of anything, and Obama has billions of people come to the White House, it's all politics, do you think he sits there scheming and plotting to have radical islamists come to the White House? I'm sure if he wanted to he'd do it a bit more secretively... I mean after all he is the president...

So once again you use a non-mainstream source to paint people radical.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

FFG,

Exactly! It's what I've been saying almost from the day this mosque issue hit a fever pitch. It's dangerous for this nation to be taking the stance against it! We're inviting the very Holy War radical Islam is looking for, and if we're not careful they'll get it!!

How do we know when we're doing something wrong? Do we need to walk on eggshells? This is our country, our land, we have the right to be against something that is hurtful to our citizens.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

It's cool to see Cenk from the young turks on MSNBC. Non-roll over attitude. Been a subscriber on youtube for quite a while. I like how they keep track of political idiocy on the right and the unfulfilled promises of the left.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Never say never. Dearborn Mich and NJ are just two that are on their way.
Oklahoma on Nov.2 is voting on a law to forbid courts to consider Sharia Law.
A google of Sharia Law United States might give you pause.

And are they tearing Christian churches down in Dearborn? Haven't heard about that. I did hear about some Christian missionaries being arrested at an Arabic festival (kinda crappy, but far from Sharia).

And since when has New Jersey passed Sharia law in any bills? I'm just asking.

And Oklahoma's law is the same as Arizona passing it's law against human/animal hybridization.

 

[Phantom]

My stupid internet is making this video really slow. Can you just tell me what he said about Beck?

I think it's a server side problem. My internet is pretty fast but lately YouTube videos have been loading super slow for me and sometime I get "This video is unavialable at the moment" error. YouTube started slowing down for me about 4 weeks ago yet every other site I have no issues with.