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Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contributions

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AAN to launch $19M House ad campaign - Alex Isenstadt and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

norm coleman, who was barely defeated after recounted recounts by stuart smalley, has his american action network

another NINETEEN MILLION DOLLARS

in HIS crosshairs---mark schauer, dina titus, steve kagen, joe donnelly, martin heinrich, tim walz, kurt schrader, stephonie herseth-sandlin, tom perriello, charlie wilson, mark critz (remember him?), ed perlmutter, jim himes and chris murphy in CT, rick boucher and gerald connolly in VA, open seats in NH2 (hodes), MA10 (delahunt), WV1 (mollohan), ARK2 (snyder)

connolly may be the MOST important race in the nation, in my opinion---fairfax co, N VA, essentially the commuting class of dc specialists

seeya at the polls, happy spending
 

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Obama and the Democrats are looking more and more like desparate losers every day.

You mean like the Republicans have looked like for the last 2-years, voting in lock-step against damned near every major piece of legislation the Dems have proposed, offering recommendations then claiming the Dems aren't accepting any even if some of the most controversial issues were very likely their ideas in the first place or spinning the hell out of the discourse?

Those desperate losers?

Just want to be sure we're not getting things confused here.
 
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I just wrote this for the Joke page but it fits here because from the White House on down the October lies are no surprise.

It is meant as a joke but when you realize it's really too close to reality it's not quite as funny.


Important White House announcement for immediate release for use by all Communists, Marxists, Socialists, Radicals, Liberals, Leftists, Administration Czars, advisers, and Democrats in general, and any other supporter of Obama.

1. If at first you don't succeed blame George W. Bush.

2. If all else fails blame George W. Bush and quickly think up a different lie to replace the one you were just caught in.

Copyright © 2010

You have explicit permission to pass it on. :golf "Here's Obama!" "Hey! Bush put the gofer in the hole."

See how it works.
gofer3.gif
 

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desperate losers, continued

obama's support amongst those who VOTED FOR him in 2008 has dissipated---MORE THAN FORTY PERCENT of obama voters told bloomberg this week they are now less supportive of him or not supportive at all

WOMEN today by pluralites of TWENTY FIVE to THIRTY % see him as an across the board FAILURE

HISPANIC enthusiasm is down TWENTY %

WORKING CLASS WHITES (the old reagan democrats) are polling gop, 58 to 36, DOUBLE their margin that awful november 2 years ago

UNDECIDED voters, according to the hill, favor REPEAL of obamacare by a plurality of TWENTY TWO

25% of DEMS feel the same

the ENTHUSIASM gap is universally and almost daily reported to be TWENTY PLUS %

INDEPENDENTS are voting red by TWENTY POINTS

and today, the kicker---according to an MTV POLL college kids' backing of the clueless klutz has DROPPED a stunning TWENTY SEVEN PERCENT since may, 09

among white college students he's fallen THIRTY FIVE points

campuses that just 2 years ago were forested with posters and t-shirts and signs are today purged of all such paraphernalia, or so says MTV

Obama Loses Support in Poll as Joblessness Prompts Discontent - BusinessWeek

Poll: Women see Barack Obama administration as a 'failure' - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

Hispanics not motivated for 2010 election - Washington Times

Poll: Working-class whites shun Democrats - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com

POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

President Barack Obama's support among college students wanes before 2010 midterm elections: poll

read the links, see who's spinning
 

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desperate losers, continued

obama's support amongst those who VOTED FOR him in 2008 has dissipated---MORE THAN FORTY PERCENT of obama voters told bloomberg this week they are now less supportive of him or not supportive at all

WOMEN today by pluralites of TWENTY FIVE to THIRTY % see him as an across the board FAILURE

HISPANIC enthusiasm is down TWENTY %

WORKING CLASS WHITES (the old reagan democrats) are polling gop, 58 to 36, DOUBLE their margin that awful november 2 years ago

UNDECIDED voters, according to the hill, favor REPEAL of obamacare by a plurality of TWENTY TWO

25% of DEMS feel the same

the ENTHUSIASM gap is universally and almost daily reported to be TWENTY PLUS %

INDEPENDENTS are voting red by TWENTY POINTS

and today, the kicker---according to an MTV POLL college kids' backing of the clueless klutz has DROPPED a stunning TWENTY SEVEN PERCENT since may, 09

among white college students he's fallen THIRTY FIVE points

campuses that just 2 years ago were forested with posters and t-shirts and signs are today purged of all such paraphernalia, or so says MTV

Obama Loses Support in Poll as Joblessness Prompts Discontent - BusinessWeek

Poll: Women see Barack Obama administration as a 'failure' - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

Hispanics not motivated for 2010 election - Washington Times

Poll: Working-class whites shun Democrats - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com

POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

President Barack Obama's support among college students wanes before 2010 midterm elections: poll

read the links, see who's spinning

Not a bit of this is surprising. Not even a tiny bit surprising.
 

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yes, the only surprise is that obama and his declining clique couldn't see it coming

here's a new one, tho, this afternoon---EBONY is surprised

THIS is what barry hussein has brought:

Here's a statistic that you might find shocking: one in four Black voters between the ages of 18 and 29 describes [himself or herself] as 'conservative.' Now, here's why you shouldn¹t find it shocking: African-Americans, as a whole, are conservative, favoring positions that could only be described as mainstream Republican. According to a recent study, 75 percent of Blacks favor school prayer; 73 percent favor a $500-per-child federal tax credit; and 72 percent favor three-strikes-and-you¹re-out laws. These are all conservative positions.

While the most liberal faction of the Democratic Party has held it hostage with left-wing ideas that are far from the mainstream, the Republican Party has remained steadfast, supporting the issues that a new generation of Blacks routinely rate among their chief concerns. Be honest: Black America often cringes with the Republican Party at the liberal secular attitudes Democrats have toward such issues as nontraditional marriage, gays in the military and education policies that continue to fund a failed system.[they want vouchers]

EbonyJet Online Magazine | Black Politics & National Page

i have noted privately to myself how the pollsters and pundits have looked at the various enthusiasm levels across our demographics---the youth, hispanics, women, working class, undecideds, independents---but never a measure of likely black turnout

you and i both know the excitement for obama that drove so many to the polls 2 years ago will NOT replicate itself in these times, in this offyear, when barry isn't even on the ticket

well, now we have some empirics

party on, progressives, rapidly oer the precipice
 

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some of these things have just got to drive you crazy

Beck raises for Chamber - On Media - POLITICO.com

beck yesterday called on his viewers to give to the chamber of commerce, send a message, let folks know you believe in something different from what obama and biden are pushing, show your support for small business

the chamber's website crashed, so many donations poured in

Beck crashes Chamber website - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

it must be all those beck viewers in the uzbek

on another front haley barbour's rga pulled in a record 31M in the quarter, triple the funds raised by the dga, dem gub's assn

RGA raises $31 million - Jessica Taylor - POLITICO.com

more moolah from mali

it looks like the president has pretty much dropped this most recent, ridiculous line of attack

too bad, it was really paying off
 

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So, you agree with me that citing unsourced claims (like the Democrats are doing in this case) and not presenting actual evidence (again, like the Democrats in this case) is a game.

I don't agree with your false premises, but obviously an uncited claim from a repeatedly discredited source (in this case, the US Chamber of Commerce) is not to be accepted on faith.

I thought you said ALL media outlets were in the GOP's pocket?

You thought wrong. Again.

sure, olberman, ed, maddow, BECK---their shows are all the same

Coke and Pepsi don't taste the same, but I have no reason to believe they represent fundamentally different interests. Or should I believe that Pepsi is "youthful," "hip," and "the voice of a new generation," while Coke is "classic," "nostalgic," and "the real thing" because of some ad campaign? Is this what you believe?

would olberman say the same?

I don't know - I'm not a regular viewer.

oh, absolutely, barack hussein won the white house IN SPITE OF the conservative bias dominating the msm

Clearly. The public ignored the wall-to-wall Ayers/Wright coverage for the months that it continued, and insolently refused to act on the perpetual media declarations that (insert development) was "good news for John McCain" or that "Obama is in trouble." When he went on vacation to visit his grandmother in Hawaii, he was attacked for going someplace "too exotic for Americans to relate to" (LOL @ Cokie Roberts), and it was insisted that his speaking English (as opposed to whatever it is that George W. Bush spoke) would "alienate the white working-class in Middle America."

These anecdotes were just a drop in the ocean of the general farce, and I can't tell you how satisfying it was that Republicans had drunk the Kool-Aid and insisted, when McCain nominated Palin, that (as the ubiquitous web-ad had claimed) "Obama is finished." It was beautiful, and I will never stop enjoying reminding Republicans about it whenever they indulge in their cherished "librul media" doublethink fantasy.

he entered the presidential campaign with such an impressive resume of accomplishments and abilities

The latter, certainly. There was a legitimate argument that he lacked experience, but talent counts for a lot - especially when the opposing campaign is so repugnant.

why, mere months after invesco field he won THE NOBEL

The Nobel Peace Prize, scourge of all that is holy.

the coc operates in the exact same way and under the exact same rules of disclosure as moveon and the afl-cio

And if the Chamber of Commerce were spending only on the level of competing organizations like that, it might be excusable - but they're flooding the campaign with vast sums of untraceable money in order to propagate bald-faced lies. It's a threat to the integrity of our elections.

i wonder why the white house, with its doj and irs, hasn't ACCUSED, on the basis of "it appears" and "i can assert anything i want, bob," the activists and unionists of criminal activity

They haven't accused the CoC of criminal activity either.

You mean foreign corporations like BP?

You tell me. Is the Chamber of Commerce receiving funds from BP?

Every time you speak, you prove my point.

Unless your point is that this thread is a desperate attempt to divert attention from the shadowy funding behind the CoC's propaganda campaign, you seem to be misinformed.


Legally, they're not lying - if the money goes into the general fund before being dispersed, then it isn't "foreign" anymore. They're only lying in the sense that what they're saying isn't true, and that's never stopped them or anyone like them before.

wow, there are hundreds of thousands of your neighbors who WILL find jobs if and when the reports improve

You're kind of missing the key concept behind the word "report." A positive jobs report is the result of hiring having occurred, it's not a prophecy. And a negative jobs report is the result of hiring having not occurred, or having occurred to an insufficient extent.

the greater significance of the jobs report, in this context, is it's gonna cost ms pelosi HER job

For our sake as a nation, I certainly hope not. But I can deal with it if it happens.

such an offhand declaration, so cavalierly tossed, such a neat little formula

You mistake observation for formulation. If those networks have created such a formula for themselves, I'm not going to pretend not to see it.

keith olberman, rachel maddow, shrill and thrilled chrissy matthews and mister ed schultz represent right leaners, all of em still bemoaning the precious surrender of their prized public option

I've addressed the difference between a network's priorities and its cultivated image. If you want to ignore everything I say and indulge in imaginary arguments, you're perfectly welcome. There's only one person who gets hurt by lazy argumentation and cheap tactics, and it's not the one who hears them.
 

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coke and pepsi---LOL!

And a negative jobs report is the result of hiring having not occurred, or having occurred to an insufficient extent.

bingo

meanwhile:

Republican Groups Overwhelm Democrats With TV Ads

In one way at least, the fight for control of Congress is grossly one-sided.

Just five weeks from midterm elections, groups allied with the Republican Party and financed in part by corporations and millionaires have amassed a crushing 6-1 advantage in television spending, and now are dominating the airwaves in closely contested districts and states across the country.

The extra firepower on the conservative side comes as some key Democratic-leaning organizations are experiencing unexpected trouble raising money or motivating supporters.

The advertising mismatch, reflected in campaign documents obtained by The Associated Press, is hampering efforts by President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders to sway a shrinking number of undecided voters. Early voting has already begun in some states, and Republicans are positioned to win a number of House and Senate seats, placing Democratic control of both chambers in jeopardy.
 

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welcome to the ignore list Troub... when you stop injecting koolaide into your veins, maybe we can have a rational discussion.
 

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coke and pepsi---LOL!

Basically, yes. Every message delivered by a corporation translates ultimately as the same thing - GIVE US YOUR MONEY. There is no other agenda, and the Republican Party's politics are the apotheosis of that impulse - and thus the main beneficiary of it. MSNBC's liberal-esque programming is just a marketing decision as irrelevant as Pepsi's appeals to youth or Coca Cola's appeals to nostalgia, and they only went in that direction after bitterly competing with Fox News for the hard-right and coming up short. If you watched MSNBC at any time before 2005, you know this. And even now, its branding hasn't affected the quality or underlying premises of its news coverage - unlike Fox News, its newsroom decisions are not calculated to advance a political agenda so much as throw rhetorical candy at an audience they've come to depend on. FNC, on the other hand, has proven it will sacrifice immediate profits for a broader agenda (e.g., swallowing the losses from advertisers who abandoned Beck in order to continue pushing his deranged propaganda).


My point exactly. As has been their intent from the beginning, the so-called "Citizens United" Supreme Court decision opened the floodgates for corporations to straight-up buy an election result for their servants in the GOP. I posted a piece on another site at the time titled (with admitted hyperbole) The Empire Strikes Back - Judicial Coup d'Etat Imminent in which I predicted exactly this sort of thing happening. Not that one had to be prescient to see it coming, it was pretty obvious. I also wrote a more recent piece, Corporate Imperator about the historical implications of what may happen over the long-term if they succeed.

welcome to the ignore list Troub... when you stop injecting koolaide into your veins, maybe we can have a rational discussion.

:2rofll: Bye bye.
 
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I posted a piece on another site at the time titled (with admitted hyperbole) The Empire Strikes Back - Judicial Coup d'Etat Imminent in which I predicted exactly this sort of thing happening. I also wrote a more recent piece, Corporate Imperator.

LOL!

who cares

The Fix - DCCC pulls out of six vulnerable districts

Democrats have canceled all of their ad reservations in at least six districts where their odds of holding the seats appear to be shrinking with three weeks to go until Election Day.

According to sources, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has canceled all of its remaining reservations for districts held by Reps. Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.) and Steve Driehaus (Ohio), as well as open seats in Indiana's 8th district, Tennessee's 8th district and Kansas's 3rd district, and the DCCC's decision to pull out completely suggests doom for the Democrats running.

The Democrats are also likely to lose four open seats that the committee has yet to invest in: Tennessee's 6th district, Arkansas's 2nd district, Louisiana's 3rd district and New York's 29th district.

The DCCC canceled ad reservations all over the country early this week, but the scope and the intention of many of the cancellations remains to be seen in many cases.

The DCCC has canceled some time in districts held by Reps. Leonard Boswell (D-Iowa), John Spratt (D-S.C.), Rep. Larry Kissell (D-N.C.), Chet Edwards (D-Texas), Steve Kagen (D-Wis.) and Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.), as well as the open seat held by retiring Rep. Marion Berry (D-Ark.).

Some of the DCCC's cancellations come in markets that span multiple districts. Here's a recap of where they could be aimed at:

Boston - These are likely for one of two Democratic seats in New Hampshire that Republicans are targeting. But the open seat left by retiring Rep. Bill Delahunt (D-Mass.) is also in play.

Cleveland - There are slight cuts for both Reps. John Boccieri (D-Ohio) and Zack Space (D-Ohio), but the big cuts come for Rep. Betty Sutton (D-Ohio), who the committee is now confident will win thanks to GOP nominee Tom Ganley's sexual harassment scandal.

Philadelphia - Besides the Delaware seat, there appear to be cuts in districts held by Senate candidate Rep. Joe Sestak (D) and Rep. Charlie Dent (R).

Phoenix - The cuts could affect Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D-Ariz.) and/or Rep. Harry Mitchell (D-Ariz.).

Chicago - The cuts could affect Rep. Debbie Halvorson (D), Rep. Bill Foster (D), and/or the open seat held by Senate candidate Rep. Mark Kirk (R). Halvorson's seat appears to be the toughest of the three for Democrats.

Seattle - The cuts could affect any of three Washington seats: Rep. Rick Larsen (D-Wash.), Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) or the open seat of retiring Rep. Brian Baird (D-Wash.).

All of the districts listed above are places where the DCCC had reserved ad time.

House Republicans plan $45 million TV ad blitz - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

House Republicans have drafted a go-for-broke blueprint for the final weeks of the midterm campaign that will bring them to $45 million in television ad spending, with spots reserved in 62 congressional districts across the nation.

POLITICO has learned that the National Republican Congressional Committee will take a bank loan of at least $6.5 million — but likely more — to expand its ad buys into seven additional districts beyond the 55 where the committee has already reserved time.

According to an NRCC source familiar with the effort, the newly added targets include five Democrats whose districts, until recently, were thought to be out of reach this year: Reps. Tim Walz of Minnesota, Sanford Bishop of Georgia, Phil Hare of Illinois, Zack Space of Ohio and John Salazar of Colorado.

Republican strategists say that the $45 million figure is far more than they expected the committee to have for the fall campaign and represents an effort to take full advantage of the Republican-friendly political environment by investing in as many potentially winnable Democratic districts as possible. The NRCC initially reserved $22 million across 41 districts in August before expanding to $35 million in 55 districts in September.

To help finance the effort, House Republicans are also leaning on members for a late flood of cash. At a conference-wide meeting last week at the Capitol Hill Club, members donated or pledged a combined $4 million to NRCC coffers, with $1 million coming from House Minority Leader John Boehner.

All of it is designed to stretch the map as wide as possible. In recent weeks, Republicans have also begun airing ads targeting Democratic Reps. Ike Skelton of Missouri, Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Jim Marshall of Georgia and Jerry McNerney of California — a tier of races that were once thought to be less competitive but now are seen as in play.

The committee is searching for new targets of opportunity as party strategists come closer to finalizing their roster of races. The NRCC has begun polling in three additional districts, including the Eastern Iowa-based seat of Democratic Rep. Dave Loebsack.

Bolstering GOP efforts is a collection of outside groups attacking Democrats whom the NRCC will not have the funds to run ads against. Organizations ranging from the 60 Plus Association to Americans for Job Security to American Future Fund are targeting Democrats like Reps. Bruce Braley of Iowa, Ed Perlmutter of Colorado and Ron Kind of Wisconsin.

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GOP challengers outraise 30-plus Democratic incumbents - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

Dems Getting Crushed On The Fundraising Front - Hotline On Call

AT LEAST thirty one INCUMBENT dems were outraised by their upstart NOBODY challengers in the last quarter, according to politico and brian lamb's favorite mag, hotline

names very familiar to me, if not you---bobby bright, travis childers, dina titus, steve kagen, earl pomeroy, baron hill, stephonie herseth-sandlin, joe donnelly, mary joe kilroy, steve driehaus, gene taylor, john salazar, jim himes, jim marshall...

and BULLS---ike skelton, nick rahall, paul kanjorski, barney frank...

and NANCY PELOSI is no bull, she's a DINOSAUR

the temporary speakeress was outpulled 3 to 1 in babylon by the bay

party on, progressives, seeya at the polls
 

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who cares

Evidently not you.


What's your point? We've already established that the GOP has virtually unlimited, untraceable funding from its corporate owners.

have a sprite

Why?

AT LEAST thirty one INCUMBENT dems were outraised by their upstart NOBODY challengers in the last quarter, according to politico and brian lamb's favorite mag, hotline

Yeah, Republicans are corrupt.
 

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Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

What's your point? We've already established that the GOP has virtually unlimited, untraceable funding from its corporate owners.

It's also been established with actual evidence that Obama/Dems have recieved the same type of funding.



Yeah, Republicans are corrupt.

Do you have evidence that supports your claim against said Republican upstarts?
 

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And if the Chamber of Commerce were spending only on the level of competing organizations like that, it might be excusable - but they're flooding the campaign with vast sums of untraceable money in order to propagate bald-faced lies. It's a threat to the integrity of our elections.

So I can only assume that the some $400 million that Obama took in '08 from undocumented sources and most probably overseas interests like the brothers from Hamas in Gaza that were found to have donated some $17K to his campaign are also wrong? Did that hurt our democracy as well?

how about the Union money that doesn't have to report whom their donors are?

This is such crap! Face it, you libs are getting beat at your own game, and you don't like it one bit.

We've already established that the GOP has virtually unlimited, untraceable funding from its corporate owners.

"WE'VE" not established anything. You have made claims you refuse to back up with any evidence what so ever. That is not how it is done friend.

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I find it very sad indeed that people who claim to be educated beyond the 8th grade, some whom even go so far as to claim a higher education including a college degree will come to this Forum and make arguments that are so unenlightened they resemble the crayon etchings of a 6 year old.

Why not cut their loses and go home lick their wounds.

It is clear because we see every day they cannot deal in or face facts and the truth so why do they continue to expose themselves to the humiliation that comes from being exposed as as intellectually and mentally challenged.

I would go into the corner and hide my head in shame were it me.

But then I have an education that goes a bit farther than the 8th grade. But only by 8 years or so.
 

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It's also been established with actual evidence that Obama/Dems have recieved the same type of funding.

Has it?

Do you have evidence that supports your claim against said Republican upstarts?

Oodles. But let's start with Republican fundraisers being held in Beijing the day before a vote on legislation that affects business with China.

ThinkProgress » Mark Kirk Held ‘Beijing Fundraiser’ One Day Before Voting Against Closing Offshoring Loopholes

As for "upstarts," that's hardly a term I would associate with Republicans. This is the Empire "striking back."
 
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