Round Up Vaccine Dodgers?

[TheParser]

1. Just read terrifying article in super liberal magazine.

2. Too complicated to go into detail here.

3. President Wilson authorized wanna-be cops to round up thousands and thousands of alleged draft dodgers during World War One.

4. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement.

5. Will Mr. Biden's door-to-door vaccine "advisers" just make suggestions or will they become vigilantes?

6. Being a life-long coward, I could easily be intimidated into marching myself right down to the closest vaccine site.

7. Will there be some unpleasant "encounters" between some zealous "advisers" and adamant non-vaccinated?


*****

Dems and Republicans who believe in civil liberties can read the article entitled "All-American Vigilantes" by Adam Hochschild in the July 22, 2021, print issue of the New York Review of Books. (I assume it's also online.)

 

[Mycroft]

1. Just read terrifying article in super liberal magazine.

2. Too complicated to go into detail here.

3. President Wilson authorized wanna-be cops to round up thousands and thousands of alleged draft dodgers during World War One.

4. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement.

5. Will Mr. Biden's door-to-door vaccine "advisers" just make suggestions or will they become vigilantes?

6. Being a life-long coward, I could easily be intimidated into marching myself right down to the closest vaccine site.

7. Will there be some unpleasant "encounters" between some zealous "advisers" and adamant non-vaccinated?


*****

Dems and Republicans who believe in civil liberties can read the article entitled "All-American Vigilantes" by Adam Hochschild in the July 22, 2021, print issue of the New York Review of Books. (I assume it's also online.)

Too bad you didn't present a link to the story in this "super liberal magazine". From the two historical examples you presented (I assume you got those from that magazine's story) there must either be a lot of explanation or that magazine depends upon their reader to be a flaming idiot who blindly accepts what they are told. For example...the WWI draft was based on a law. Biden's door to door program isn't. Big difference.

So...at this point, you don't have to worry about anyone rounding up vaccine dodgers.

However, don't become too complacent. It won't take much effort from Nancy and Chuck...with the help of a few RINO's...to pass a law requiring every swinging American to take the vaccine. THAT'S when you need to worry about cops rounding up vaccine dodgers.

As far as whether there will be some unpleasant encounters...probably. Americans, nowadays, aren't all that tolerant...no matter what their ideology. There are bound to be some conflicts.

 

[bluesmoke]

Too little evidence to honestly reference and give any factual detail here that couldn't be easily refuted.

 

[Loulit01]

. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement.

Wouldn't draft dodgers looking for work soften the labor market? I don't doubt big business helped round them up but possibly for different reasons? I dunno, I'm asking.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

1. Just read terrifying article in super liberal magazine.

2. Too complicated to go into detail here.

Which means you're continuing to expect lazy thinking to be rewarded.
Amazing that a guy who goes by "The Parser" can't be bothered to parse.
You had ONE JOB...

Anyway, why round up vaccine refuseniks when it's easier to just deny them the right to infect others, by denying them entry into the public sphere where they can?

 

[TheParser]

. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement.

Wouldn't draft dodgers looking for work soften the labor market? I don't doubt big business helped round them up but possibly for different reasons? I dunno, I'm asking.

If you get a chance to read the article, please do so.

The situation was even more divisive than today's!

Here is just one sentence to give you an idea: "Big business owners were overwhelmingly Anglo; many Jews were Socialists and some Italians were anarchists. ... On top of everything else, millions of American men felt threatened by women who were moving into the labor force ...."

 

[Loulit01]

If you get a chance to read the article, please do so.

The situation was even more divisive than today's!

Here is just one sentence to give you an idea: "Big business owners were overwhelmingly Anglo; many Jews were Socialists and some Italians were anarchists. ... On top of everything else, millions of American men felt threatened by women who were moving into the labor force ...."

Hit a pay wall but read a bit. Germans were the largest immigrant population in the U.S. in 1917.

 

[Monica33]

Too bad you didn't present a link to the story in this "super liberal magazine". From the two historical examples you presented (I assume you got those from that magazine's story) there must either be a lot of explanation or that magazine depends upon their reader to be a flaming idiot who blindly accepts what they are told. For example...the WWI draft was based on a law. Biden's door to door program isn't. Big difference.

So...at this point, you don't have to worry about anyone rounding up vaccine dodgers.

However, don't become too complacent. It won't take much effort from Nancy and Chuck...with the help of a few RINO's...to pass a law requiring every swinging American to take the vaccine. THAT'S when you need to worry about cops rounding up vaccine dodgers.

As far as whether there will be some unpleasant encounters...probably. Americans, nowadays, aren't all that tolerant...no matter what their ideology. There are bound to be some conflicts.

The closer we get to these Derangement Syndrome Cultists thinking they can become the New Fascist party , the closer we will be to returning to sanity .

Could even coincide with Mr T flanked by the Generals guiding us to a brighter future and taking the nut jobs to a holiday camp for re-education .!!

 

[Mycroft]

The closer we get to these Derangement Syndrome Cultists thinking they can become the New Fascist party , the closer we will be to returning to sanity .

Could even coincide with Mr T flanked by the Generals guiding us to a brighter future and taking the nut jobs to a holiday camp for re-education .!!

The "Generals"???

Do you want the US to turn into a South American-style country?

 

[TheParser]

Hit a pay wall but read a bit. Germans were the largest immigrant population in the U.S. in 1917.

Sorry about the paywall.

According to the article, those vigilantes even planted listening devices in one establishment in order to get pro-German comments from the establishment's occupants.

Reminded me that I once read about Londoners during World War One destroying German businesses, and prominent Brits changing their German-sounding names.

There have always been ignorant and intolerant people.

The article emphasizes that Mr. Wilson's government was fully behind these vigilantes. When the government finally withdrew support, the vigilantes did not go willingly.

I think that some of Mr. Biden's door-to-door visitors may let power go to their head.

We are moving into dangerous times, I feel.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

1. Just read terrifying article in super liberal magazine.

2. Too complicated to go into detail here.

3. President Wilson authorized wanna-be cops to round up thousands and thousands of alleged draft dodgers during World War One.

4. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement.

5. Will Mr. Biden's door-to-door vaccine "advisers" just make suggestions or will they become vigilantes?

6. Being a life-long coward, I could easily be intimidated into marching myself right down to the closest vaccine site.

7. Will there be some unpleasant "encounters" between some zealous "advisers" and adamant non-vaccinated?


*****

Dems and Republicans who believe in civil liberties can read the article entitled "All-American Vigilantes" by Adam Hochschild in the July 22, 2021, print issue of the New York Review of Books. (I assume it's also online.)

The greatest danger to our country is that fact that tens of millions of Americans believe this kind of crazy nonsense.

 

[HonestJoe]

President Wilson authorized wanna-be cops to round up thousands and thousands of alleged draft dodgers during World War One.

As you said, that was a complex and, significantly, vastly different situation on a whole range of factors. I don't see what it has to do with COVID vaccination at all and you'd have to actually put some effort in explaining why it should be considered relevant.

Will Mr. Biden's door-to-door vaccine "advisers" just make suggestions or will they become vigilantes?

I see zero reason to assume they'll do anything other than what has been reported, inform and advise. They'd have absolutely zero legal basis to force anything on anyone (unlike the case of draft dodgers in 1917).

Will there be some unpleasant "encounters" between some zealous "advisers" and adamant non-vaccinated?

Possibly some, though I'd be more concerned about violent reactions from the vaccine objectors rather than anything the other way around. In general though, I'd expect it to be occasionally fractious but largely uneventful (if pretty much ineffective).

 

[Mycroft]

Okay. I did some looking around and I found this link that has a portion of Adam Hochschild's book.

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It starts with this:

At the core of the mob that stormed the Capitol on January 6, causing five deaths and more than 140 injuries, were member of white-nationalist militias like the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and the Three Percenters. Their brazen invasion of one of the nation's most protected sites may have been new, but organized right-wing vigilantes have long been with us.​

And it ends with this:

The Klan's members and sympathizers ranged from senators, governors, and Supreme Court justices to a youthful New York real estate developer named Fred Trump--who was arrested, wearing a hood, when a 1927 march of some one thousand Klansmen through Queens turned violent. Ninety-four years later, his son would launch the crowd of vigilantes who invaded the Capitol.​

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In between, there is a recap of some historical vigilante events...including anecdotes...from America's past. So...this seems to be some liberal's attempt to connect the events of Jan. 6 to past events by making contentions about Jan. 6 that haven't been proven or are nothing but spin.

Personally, I don't see that kind of historical vigilantism from the past happening today. For one thing, Americans just aren't as inclined to go out and bust heads as they were back in the day. Not over a vaccine. Hell, Antifa does it the most nowadays and they are relatively small in number. The thought of hundreds of thousands of Americans across the country physically forcing Americans to get vaccinated is, in my opinion, unrealistic.

Also, I don't think Americans, nowadays, will tolerate vigilante groups being aided and abetted by the federal government...at least, not openly.

 

[Rexedgar]

I think there should be roving patrols that are equipped with the pneumatic dart gun; the Oprah method, “you get a shot, you get a shot, everybody gets a shot!”

Homepage - Pneu-Dart

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[Helix]

No one is going to round up COVIDiot anti-vaxers. My preference is to require it to work onsite and to get on a plane, but that isn't going to happen, either.

 

[Airyaman]

OP: I read something in a "super liberal magazine" that, I as a right winger who believes the current GQP's bullshit stories, find scary. Sorry I couldn't be bothered to link to this scary super liberal article, just take my word for it.

That about sum it up?

 

[Mycroft]

I think it's more likely the Democrats would try to go this route:

Pay Attention - French President Emmanuel Macron Announces All Citizens Who Wish to Shop, Drink, Eat At Restaurants, Travel or Worship Must Be Vaccinated - The Last Refuge

Yesterday President Emmanuel Macron ruled that all French citizens must be vaccinated in order to shop, eat at restaurants, drink in bars, travel (use buses, trains, etc.), attend worship services or otherwise engage in life

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[TheParser]

Also, I don't think Americans, nowadays, will tolerate vigilante groups being aided and abetted by the federal government...at least, not openly.

I hope that you are right.

I may eventually get vaccinated, but possible side effects still scare me.

Also, it's just plain inertia. If a mobile vaccine unit parked on my block, I would probably walk in. Maybe Mr. Biden could do something like making it super easy for people to be vaccinated.

I bear no ill-will toward those vaccinated people who are very, very, very angry with those of us who are not vaccinated yet.

I understand their point of view.

P.S. Why can't one's doctor give the vaccine when one has one's annual health checkup?

 

[bearpoker]

1. Just read terrifying article in super liberal magazine.

2. Too complicated to go into detail here.

3. President Wilson authorized wanna-be cops to round up thousands and thousands of alleged draft dodgers during World War One.

4. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement.

5. Will Mr. Biden's door-to-door vaccine "advisers" just make suggestions or will they become vigilantes?

6. Being a life-long coward, I could easily be intimidated into marching myself right down to the closest vaccine site.

7. Will there be some unpleasant "encounters" between some zealous "advisers" and adamant non-vaccinated?


*****

Dems and Republicans who believe in civil liberties can read the article entitled "All-American Vigilantes" by Adam Hochschild in the July 22, 2021, print issue of the New York Review of Books. (I assume it's also online.)

No. Draft dodging was actually against the law at the time. Refusing to get vaccinated isn't illegal, so nobody's gonna send the cops after you.

 

[notquiteright]

1. Just read terrifying article in super liberal magazine. 2. Too complicated to go into detail here. 3. President Wilson authorized wanna-be cops to round up thousands and thousands of alleged draft dodgers during World War One. 4. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement. 5. Will Mr. Biden's door-to-door vaccine "advisers" just make suggestions or will they become vigilantes? 6. Being a life-long coward, I could easily be intimidated into marching myself right down to the closest vaccine site. 7. Will there be some unpleasant "encounters" between some zealous "advisers" and adamant non-vaccinated?
Dems and Republicans who believe in civil liberties can read the article entitled "All-American Vigilantes" by Adam Hochschild in the July 22, 2021, print issue of the New York Review of Books. (I assume it's also online.)

Perhaps you could give us the name of this 'super liberal magazine'???

I'd prefer to let Darwin have a go at the vaccine deniers before any such silly talk. Perhaps ignoring any site you deem 'super' any partisan lean... Best advice I could ever give a life long coward...

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

1. Just read terrifying article in super liberal magazine.

2. Too complicated to go into detail here.

3. President Wilson authorized wanna-be cops to round up thousands and thousands of alleged draft dodgers during World War One.

4. Big business joined program in order to curb growing labor movement.

5. Will Mr. Biden's door-to-door vaccine "advisers" just make suggestions or will they become vigilantes?

6. Being a life-long coward, I could easily be intimidated into marching myself right down to the closest vaccine site.

7. Will there be some unpleasant "encounters" between some zealous "advisers" and adamant non-vaccinated?


*****

Dems and Republicans who believe in civil liberties can read the article entitled "All-American Vigilantes" by Adam Hochschild in the July 22, 2021, print issue of the New York Review of Books. (I assume it's also online.)

I'd support that.

Take their guns as well since they are showing a wanton disregard for others lives.

Put them in camps. Or maybe just give them the southern Red States, wall those off, and let them be as stupid as they want to be where they wont affect the lives of other, less stupid, people.

 

[notquiteright]

I hope that you are right. I may eventually get vaccinated, but possible side effects still scare me. Also, it's just plain inertia. If a mobile vaccine unit parked on my block, I would probably walk in. Maybe Mr. Biden could do something like making it super easy for people to be vaccinated. I bear no ill-will toward those vaccinated people who are very, very, very angry with those of us who are not vaccinated yet. I understand their point of view. P.S. Why can't one's doctor give the vaccine when one has one's annual health checkup?

Does the possible side effects of other vaccines and drugs keep you from them? Does the higher rate of side effects of Covid not bother you? Does having 'your' doctor give you the exact same vaccine every other place change the worry?

Seems a very odd mindset...

 

[bearpoker]

P.S. Why can't one's doctor give the vaccine when one has one's annual health checkup?

No reason. The problem is that the vaccine hasn't been distributed to private physicians. I think that's going to change in the near future as part of the push to get more people vaccinated. The original thinking was probably that distributing to neighborhood pharmacies would be more efficient because they could more easily handle a high volume of people. Since the volume has now slowed down, a new strategy in needed. That's why we're now getting outreach teams. It makes sense to have doctors, who already have a relationship with their patients be able to vaccinate them.

 

[TheParser]

Does the possible side effects of other vaccines and drugs keep you from them? Does the higher rate of side effects of Covid not bother you? Does having 'your' doctor give you the exact same vaccine every other place change the worry?

Seems a very odd mindset...

1. Yes, I do not take statins for high cholesterol because some "experts" say its side effects may be pretty bad.

2. Yes, the side effects of COVID scare me. According to one "expert" (whom some people label a "quack") the side effects of Delta are relatively minor. But I do not know how to account for the deaths attributed to Delta. Perhaps other conditions that they were suffering?

3. My doctor giving it just makes it more convenient.

4. Thank you for your opinion on my mindset. It is not my place to gainsay another person's opinion. I always try to stay in my lane.

 

[notquiteright]

No reason. The problem is that the vaccine hasn't been distributed to private physicians. I think that's going to change in the near future as part of the push to get more people vaccinated. The original thinking was probably that distributing to neighborhood pharmacies would be more efficient because they could more easily handle a high volume of people. Since the volume has now slowed down, a new strategy in needed. That's why we're now getting outreach teams. It makes sense to have doctors, who already have a relationship with their patients be able to vaccinate them.

Well two issues- the vaccine is sent in multiple does vials that once used has a very short lifespan, storage at the proper temperature in private offices would be a big issue.

So it was how much vaccine would go to waste if private doctors got the vaccine in any amount back when the supply was far smaller than the potential patients pool...