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Rosenstein plans to leave Justice Dept. shortly after Barr confirmed

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Interesting twist. Let's see what Barr will do as A/G. I wonder what Hot Tub Crime Machine Whitaker will do after this? On to another scam job I suppose.

Rosenstein plans to leave Justice Dept. shortly after Barr confirmed

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is planning to leave the Justice Department shortly after William Barr, the President's nominee for attorney general, is confirmed, according to a source familiar with his thinking.

The source said Rosenstein is not being forced out, and he has conveyed his thinking to the White House.​
 
Interesting twist. Let's see what Barr will do as A/G. I wonder what Hot Tub Crime Machine Whitaker will do after this? On to another scam job I suppose.

Rosenstein plans to leave Justice Dept. shortly after Barr confirmed

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is planning to leave the Justice Department shortly after William Barr, the President's nominee for attorney general, is confirmed, according to a source familiar with his thinking.

The source said Rosenstein is not being forced out, and he has conveyed his thinking to the White House.​

I can't blame him one bit. Who in their right mind would want to continue working with that President?

Whitaker can go back to talk shows and say how Mueller is an evil rotten person.
 
Interesting twist. Let's see what Barr will do as A/G. I wonder what Hot Tub Crime Machine Whitaker will do after this? On to another scam job I suppose.

Rosenstein plans to leave Justice Dept. shortly after Barr confirmed

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is planning to leave the Justice Department shortly after William Barr, the President's nominee for attorney general, is confirmed, according to a source familiar with his thinking.

The source said Rosenstein is not being forced out, and he has conveyed his thinking to the White House.​

So...let's say Barr gets confirmed. Let's say he tells Mueller to wrap it up, put a report on his desk...along with a detailed expense and spending report...by such and such date. What happens when Mueller complies...from Rosenstein's point of view?

Suddenly, there is nothing to stop IG Horowitz from accessing all the information that he had here-to-fore been denied by Rosenstein because "it is related to an ongoing investigation". Seems to me, that would be about the time that Horowitz would have some very interesting questions for Rosenstein to answer.

Yes...it would probably be best for Rosenstein to NOT be employed by the government right around that time. That way, it'll be harder for anyone to force him to answer questions. In fact, it'll probably take a grand jury.
 
Regurgitating my post from the other thread:

The legal professionals I follow on Twitter are more or less split down the middle about whether Rosenstein's departure heralds something positive or something really bad.

This is why the AG maintaining political independence of the White House has been a tradition: the people need to trust that the AG isn't essentially the President's personal lawyer and bag man, and in lieu of Barr's statements we have no reason to feel confident about how this is going to pan out.

Renato Mariotti: "Let’s hope this means Rosenstein believes that Mueller’s work is largely done and can no longer be derailed."

Neal Katyal: "The Special Counsel regulations, which Mueller is appointed under, put Rosenstein in charge of supervising/controlling the investig. (I drafted those regs as a young pup at DOJ). By all accounts Rosenstein has done a great job. I fear Barr won’t, given his ridiculous memo. Danger."

Joyce Alene: "With Rosenstein leaving & a 53 vote GOP majority in the Senate, Trump now gets to install the two top leaders at DOJ who will oversee the Mueller investigation & the US Attorneys’ offices. Rosenstein’s announced departure underscores the need for the Senate to consider the Barr nomination carefully & that may have contributed to the timing of his announcement."

Asha Rangappa: "I don't think there is much that anyone can do to stop it including a new Attorney General."

Not a ton of optimism there. Asha's tweet, at best, merely suggests that Barr couldn't stop the investigation even if he wanted to, which is a message of personal hopefulness rather than any certainty that the DOJ is operating without political influence from the White House, which is itself a crisis.
 
Regurgitating my post from the other thread:

The legal professionals I follow on Twitter are more or less split down the middle about whether Rosenstein's departure heralds something positive or something really bad.

This is why the AG maintaining political independence of the White House has been a tradition: the people need to trust that the AG isn't essentially the President's personal lawyer and bag man, and in lieu of Barr's statements we have no reason to feel confident about how this is going to pan out.

Renato Mariotti: "Let’s hope this means Rosenstein believes that Mueller’s work is largely done and can no longer be derailed."

Neal Katyal: "The Special Counsel regulations, which Mueller is appointed under, put Rosenstein in charge of supervising/controlling the investig. (I drafted those regs as a young pup at DOJ). By all accounts Rosenstein has done a great job. I fear Barr won’t, given his ridiculous memo. Danger."

Joyce Alene: "With Rosenstein leaving & a 53 vote GOP majority in the Senate, Trump now gets to install the two top leaders at DOJ who will oversee the Mueller investigation & the US Attorneys’ offices. Rosenstein’s announced departure underscores the need for the Senate to consider the Barr nomination carefully & that may have contributed to the timing of his announcement."

Asha Rangappa: "I don't think there is much that anyone can do to stop it including a new Attorney General."

Not a ton of optimism there. Asha's tweet, at best, merely suggests that Barr couldn't stop the investigation even if he wanted to, which is a message of personal hopefulness rather than any certainty that the DOJ is operating without political influence from the White House, which is itself a crisis.

I could see Barr changing the parameters of the investigation from the current "whatever you happen to find while looking for evidence of collusion" to "evidence of collusion", since that was the original intent of the SC investigation.
 
I could see Barr changing the parameters of the investigation from the current "whatever you happen to find while looking for evidence of collusion" to "evidence of collusion", since that was the original intent of the SC investigation.

Yes, it's in trump supporters' interests for Prosecutors to ignore Trump's crimes.
 
Interesting twist. Let's see what Barr will do as A/G. I wonder what Hot Tub Crime Machine Whitaker will do after this? On to another scam job I suppose.

Rosenstein plans to leave Justice Dept. shortly after Barr confirmed

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is planning to leave the Justice Department shortly after William Barr, the President's nominee for attorney general, is confirmed, according to a source familiar with his thinking.

The source said Rosenstein is not being forced out, and he has conveyed his thinking to the White House.​

It's Over. Trump's dead. No one in Washington respects him enough even to sign on to WH jobs full time. That's why Rosenstein is leaving. He feels confident in Mueller's probe that they got some real juicy burgers on him and he can safely leave the post. If Trump tries to fire Mueller, that's just another brick in the wall.
 
Let's be honest, the only reason anyone cares about Rosenstein is the Mueller investigation. However, once Barr is confirmed (assuming he is), then I would imagine control of the Mueller investigation would no longer be in Rosenstein's hands anyways. So Rosenstein stepping down probably does not mean that much.

Plus, as others have mentioned, the Mueller probe is probably far enough along and has provided enough evidence already to effectively prevent Trump from firing Mueller without significant political blowback from all corners of the country. Sure, the diehards will cheer, but they'd be the only ones left.
 
Rosenstein will require the additional time to ready his legal defense.
 
So...let's say Barr gets confirmed. Let's say he tells Mueller to wrap it up, put a report on his desk...along with a detailed expense and spending report...by such and such date. What happens when Mueller complies...from Rosenstein's point of view?

Suddenly, there is nothing to stop IG Horowitz from accessing all the information that he had here-to-fore been denied by Rosenstein because "it is related to an ongoing investigation". Seems to me, that would be about the time that Horowitz would have some very interesting questions for Rosenstein to answer.

Yes...it would probably be best for Rosenstein to NOT be employed by the government right around that time. That way, it'll be harder for anyone to force him to answer questions. In fact, it'll probably take a grand jury.
Or a Congressional subpoena.
 
So...let's say Barr gets confirmed. Let's say he tells Mueller to wrap it up, put a report on his desk...along with a detailed expense and spending report...by such and such date. What happens when Mueller complies...from Rosenstein's point of view?

Suddenly, there is nothing to stop IG Horowitz from accessing all the information that he had here-to-fore been denied by Rosenstein because "it is related to an ongoing investigation". Seems to me, that would be about the time that Horowitz would have some very interesting questions for Rosenstein to answer.

Yes...it would probably be best for Rosenstein to NOT be employed by the government right around that time. That way, it'll be harder for anyone to force him to answer questions. In fact, it'll probably take a grand jury.

Senator Lindsey Graham has already put the word out that Barr has assured him that if confirmed he will allow Mueller to finish his investigation. Graham will also be reintroducing a bill he is cosponsoring with Senators. Thom Tillis, Cory Booker, and Chris Coons to protect Mueller this week. So if the the White House has any thoughts about messing with Mueller's investigation they better think twice because the Senate Judiciary Committee is clearly signaling that would be a political bridge too far. Also Rosenstein isn't stopping Horowitz from doing anything.
 
So...let's say Barr gets confirmed. Let's say he tells Mueller to wrap it up, put a report on his desk...along with a detailed expense and spending report...by such and such date. What happens when Mueller complies...from Rosenstein's point of view?

Suddenly, there is nothing to stop IG Horowitz from accessing all the information that he had here-to-fore been denied by Rosenstein because "it is related to an ongoing investigation". Seems to me, that would be about the time that Horowitz would have some very interesting questions for Rosenstein to answer.

Yes...it would probably be best for Rosenstein to NOT be employed by the government right around that time. That way, it'll be harder for anyone to force him to answer questions. In fact, it'll probably take a grand jury.

It would also be best for the Trump Administration for Whitaker to be gone before the Democrats can subpoena him to appear to testify before the House as that would almost be sure to unfold in a very embarrassing manner for them.
 
It would also be best for the Trump Administration for Whitaker to be gone before the Democrats can subpoena him to appear to testify before the House as that would almost be sure to unfold in a very embarrassing manner for them.

Whitaker?

LOL!!

You are probably right. The House Dems are likely very eager to give you a nothingburger.
 
Senator Lindsey Graham has already put the word out that Barr has assured him that if confirmed he will allow Mueller to finish his investigation. Graham will also be reintroducing a bill he is cosponsoring with Senators. Thom Tillis, Cory Booker, and Chris Coons to protect Mueller this week. So if the the White House has any thoughts about messing with Mueller's investigation they better think twice because the Senate Judiciary Committee is clearly signaling that would be a political bridge too far. Also Rosenstein isn't stopping Horowitz from doing anything.

Actually, Rosenstein is preventing Horowitz from seeing a lot of evidence and from talking to a lot of people...because "it is related to an ongoing investigation". Just like he is preventing Congress from seeing a lot of evidence and from getting answers from a lot of people...including from Rosenstein, himself.
 
Actually, Rosenstein is preventing Horowitz from seeing a lot of evidence and from talking to a lot of people

Like what exactly?
 
Whitaker?

LOL!!

You are probably right. The House Dems are likely very eager to give you a nothingburger.

Believe me they don't want Whitaker giving testimony. That's why they're stalling now. Hoping that Barr can be confirmed before that happens because they know if it does happen it's not going to be good.
 
Believe me they don't want Whitaker giving testimony. That's why they're stalling now. Hoping that Barr can be confirmed before that happens because they know if it does happen it's not going to be good.

???

Who's stalling about what?
 
Like what exactly?

Horowitz isn't being allowed to see the stuff that the Republican House committees wanted Trump to declassify and release to the public.
 
I could see Barr changing the parameters of the investigation from the current "whatever you happen to find while looking for evidence of collusion" to "evidence of collusion", since that was the original intent of the SC investigation.

That is not correct. This investigation was never limited to the concept of collusion. It was to The original intent of the investigation was to "... to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian govemments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election...". Note nothing about collusion in that broad charter.

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

" (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. §600.4(a).(c).

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
..."


https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

"Any Links" would be to investigate all relationships between members of the Trump campaign, while "...and/or coordination" would speak to collusion. So, collusion is but an aspect of the investigation.

Meanwhile the "any other matters that arise..." aspect is a typical federal prosecution catch all..... if the Feds raid your home on a computer hacking case, but find you have kiddie porn on your computer, they are compelled to move forward on a kiddie porn investigation.

Therein is Trump's problem: he hired too many corrupt individuals, which have kept federal investigators and federal prosecutors quite busy. The fact that Trump was fine having so many corrupt people on his senior staff is quite telling. The logical conclusion to the fact that Trump is comfortable surrounding himself with corruption speaks to the notion that he is likely corrupt himself.


Meanwhile, "....Rudi Giuliani recently told a friend that he expects special counsel Robert Mueller‘s final report on the Russia investigation to be “horrific.”....

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...cing-for-horrific-report-from-robert-mueller/

This is not going to end well for Trump. We probably will be EXPANDING the investigation to make sure we got all the cancer.
 
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What is the DOJ stalling about?

They're stalling Whitaker's appearance before the House. What is this? Short attention span?
 
They're stalling Whitaker's appearance before the House. What is this? Short attention span?

When did the House ask him to appear?

You know what...never mind. I'm not interested in some House Dem dog and pony show with a guy who won't be there in a week or two.

It's a waste of time.
 
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That is not correct. This investigation was never limited to the concept of collusion. It was to The original intent of the investigation was to "... to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian govemments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election...". Note nothing about collusion in that broad charter.

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

" (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. §600.4(a).(c).

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
..."


https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

"Any Links" would be to investigate all relationships between members of the Trump campaign, while "...and/or coordination" would speak to collusion. So, collusion is but an aspect of the investigation.

Meanwhile the "any other matters that arise..." aspect is a typical federal prosecution catch all..... if the Feds raid your home on a computer hacking case, but find you have kiddie porn on your computer, they are compelled to move forward on a kiddie porn investigation.

Therein is Trump's problem: he hired too many corrupt individuals, which have kept federal investigators and federal prosecutors quite busy. The fact that Trump was fine having so many corrupt people on his senior staff is quite telling. The logical conclusion to the fact that Trump is comfortable surrounding himself with corruption speaks to the notion that he is likely corrupt himself.


Meanwhile, "....Rudi Giuliani recently told a friend that he expects special counsel Robert Mueller‘s final report on the Russia investigation to be “horrific.”....

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...cing-for-horrific-report-from-robert-mueller/

This is not going to end well for Trump. We probably will be EXPANDING the investigation to make sure we got all the cancer.

Oh please!!! You make it sound like Mueller was appointed to investigate Mabaforts taxes or Flynn's registration status as a foreign lobbyist. We all know the purpose of his appt. was to find proof of Trump and Russian "coordination" he collusion in the 2016 election.
 
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