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Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

Conservative said:
So you don't have an answer as to what the Republicans filibustered that would have made things better? Got it! Amazing how the first two years of the Obama Administration are ignored. Obama never proposed cutting 4 trillion from the budget over 10 years or 400 billion a year. There are no budget cuts proposed by liberals other than to the military.
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"What have they filibustered that would have helped the economy. Wow, that's a tough one. How about a debt deal that would have avoided a credit downgrade and cut over $4 trillion from the debt, for starters? How about the vast majority of Obama's appointments? How about the health care public option, which would have cut the debt by hundreds of billions of dollars?"
 
AdamT said:
It's amazing that conservatives can't understand how positive GDP growth is a lot better than recession.
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right, results don't matter. Keep diverting from the Obama record

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
4.3 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”
Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News
Videos | Solyndra

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
Stimulus failure
Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
 
Conservative said:
right, results don't matter. Keep diverting from the Obama record

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
4.3 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”
Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News
Videos | Solyndra

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
Stimulus failure
Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
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Uh oh, Conservative brain dump. My job is done here. :lol:

And what Obama inherited: economy shedding 700,000+ jobs per month, GDP shrinking at 6+% per year, financial institutions teetering on the edge of collapse, trillion+ deficit.... Nice improvement.
 
AdamT said:
Uh oh, Conservative brain dump. My job is done here. :lol:

And what Obama inherited: economy shedding 700,000+ jobs per month, GDP shrinking at 6+% per year, financial institutions teetering on the edge of collapse, trillion+ deficit.... Nice improvement.
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Yep, the silent majority will speak in 2012, the one that pays attention to results which obviously you don't
 
AdamT said:
"What have they filibustered that would have helped the economy. Wow, that's a tough one. How about a debt deal that would have avoided a credit downgrade and cut over $4 trillion from the debt, for starters? How about the vast majority of Obama's appointments? How about the health care public option, which would have cut the debt by hundreds of billions of dollars?"
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How would that have improved the economy and why didn't Obama raise the debt ceiling when he had total control of the Congress? Amazing how you easily forget 2009-2010 and no budget in 2010. You also forget the 2010 and 2011 elections to continue to pump your failed ideology.
 
Conservative said:
How would that have improved the economy and why didn't Obama raise the debt ceiling when he had total control of the Congress? Amazing how you easily forget 2009-2010 and no budget in 2010. You also forget the 2010 and 2011 elections to continue to pump your failed ideology.
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You're complaining about Obama's deficits, but you don't think think that massive cuts to the deficit would have improved the economy? Are you having a melt down?

Forgot to mention that Obama also would have eliminated the top level Bush tax cut, which would have further decreased the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars.
 
AdamT said:
You're complaining about Obama's deficits, but you don't think think that massive cuts to the deficit would have improved the economy? Are you having a melt down?

Forgot to mention that Obama also would have eliminated the top level Bush tax cut, which would have further decreased the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars.
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Post the actual Obama proposal to cut the deficit. Absolutely liberal ignorance!
 
Conservative said:
Post the actual Obama proposal to cut the deficit. Absolutely liberal ignorance!
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I believe ending the "Bush tax cuts" was an actual Obama proposal to cut the deficit, but maybe that's just liberal ignorance of the mutability of the past.

How does the POTUS control the economy? Sure, he has some control over spending, in the ability to veto Congressional spending bills, but how about the economy itself?
 
Conservative said:
Post the actual Obama proposal to cut the deficit. Absolutely liberal ignorance!
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More abject dishonesty. There was no time to formalize every offer as the default deadline was ticking down and Republicans had already made it perfectly clear that they would not support the proposed $4.1 trillion in deficit reduction.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I believe ending the "Bush tax cuts" was an actual Obama proposal to cut the deficit, but maybe that's just liberal ignorance of the mutability of the past.

How does the POTUS control the economy? Sure, he has some control over spending, in the ability to veto Congressional spending bills, but how about the economy itself?
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The POTUS with his party with overwhelming control of the Congress had an opportunity to do something great and failed. It was the Obama economic policy that was implemented in February 2009 and the results are quite telling.
 
AdamT said:
More abject dishonesty. There was no time to formalize every offer as the default deadline was ticking down and Republicans had already made it perfectly clear that they would not support the proposed $4.1 trillion in deficit reduction.
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Adam, the results speak for themselves and you continue to ignore those results. There was no proposal to cut the deficit 4.1 trillion by Obama and you know it. Either post it or admit that you are wrong.
 
Conservative said:
The POTUS with his party with overwhelming control of the Congress had an opportunity to do something great and failed. It was the Obama economic policy that was implemented in February 2009 and the results are quite telling.
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Obama never had overwhelming control of the Congress. He briefly had one vote over the minimum required to escape the inevitable Republican filibuster, meaning that he had to have 100% support from Democrats to accomplish anything. Rarely have we ever seen 100% support from a caucus ... unless it's Republicans voting in lock step to block Obama.

But as you've noted, Obama's stimulus was quite effective in lifting the economy in 2010. Republicans have blocked every effort to extend stimulus, and thus the economy has slowed in 2011.
 
Conservative said:
Adam, the results speak for themselves and you continue to ignore those results. There was no proposal to cut the deficit 4.1 trillion by Obama and you know it. Either post it or admit that you are wrong.
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I certainly am not ignoring the results; I am simply viewing them in context, which is what you refuse to do.
 
AdamT said:
I certainly am not ignoring the results; I am simply viewing them in context, which is what you refuse to do.
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Joe Biden accepts responsibility for the economy, why won't you? That is context
 
Per CNN

CNN – GOP presidential front-runner Mitt Romney on Monday dropped a name for a possible running mate should he secure his party's nomination.

"There are probably 15 names of people, including (New Hampshire Sen.) Kelly Ayotte," Romney said in an interview on Fox News. "I mean, there are terrific Republicans in the Senate, in the House, in governors' offices."

Programming note: GOP presidential candidates face off at 8 p.m. ET Tuesday, November 22, in the CNN Republican National Security Debate in Washington, D.C. Debate Politics Thread for this is here
 
Conservative said:
right, results don't matter. Keep diverting from the Obama record

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
4.3 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”
Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News
Videos | Solyndra

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
Stimulus failure
Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
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Do you save this in Notepad, Wordpad, MS Word or do you have a Mac?
 
Conservative said:
In the latest Pew Poll, Independents are fleeing Barack Obama and as political followers will tell you, independents hold the key to the 2012 elections

Pew poll: In matchup with Obama, Romney holds advantage among independent voters - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com
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I am an Independent, registered and certified. I did not vote for Obama and I won't vote for Obama. I never believed that he was sincere. He wasn't. Romney? LOL! Worse than Obama. I am an Independent because I KNOW that I cannot trust elected officials from either party. And now Romney wins my trust?!!!! Ahhhhahahahahaha! Not bloody likely. I won't vote for Obama, but he is the devil I know.
 
Conservative said:
The POTUS with his party with overwhelming control of the Congress had an opportunity to do something great and failed. It was the Obama economic policy that was implemented in February 2009 and the results are quite telling.
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Oh, yes, his economic policies caused a recession two years prior to having been implemented. Now, there's some real power!
 
wrong thread.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
If he can beat Romney by 6%, imagine the margin of victory over Perry, Cain, or Gingrich!

Maybe Huntsman?
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Why would anyone vote for four more years of this?

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

4.4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 (The United States Misery Index By Year)

38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch

“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”

Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News
Videos | Solyndra

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News

Stimulus failure

Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
 
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