Romney’s New Ad Pioneers a New Low Standard of Dishonest Editing

LOL The truth comes out...

The wonderful sound of election year rhetoric is here until November.

Obama thinks you can't make it without government programs like ObamaCare.

Romney thinks you can't make it without government programs like RomneyCare.

Liberals call Mitt Romney a felon

Romney uses Obama's own words against him

Liberals pretend Romney has run the dirtiest campaign commercial in history

cue canned laughter

Travis007 said:

.. the words are well known communist Marxist verbage...

Click to expand...

You got it....we don't need Marxist programs like RomneyCare.

pbrauer said:

LOL The truth comes out...

Star of Romney Ad Did Receive Government Assistance


In a Mitt Romney ad last week, a stern Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating tells President Obama that his family -- and not the government -- built his company.

But John DiStaso reports Gilchrist "did receive some government help for his business" in 1999 when the company received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds "to set up a second manufacturing plant and purchase equipment to produce high definition television broadcasting equipment."

In addition, Gilchrist Metal received a U.S. Small Business Administration loan of around $500,000 in the 1980s and has received several sub-contracts from the U.S. Navy.​

Click to expand...

I don't think one, or even a few, contracts with the government means that the government "built" your business. Because if you didn't know, a "bond" is a type of thing called a "loan" that had to be repaid. I mean, maybe they did get a bit of a break on the interest payments . . . but that sum would pale in comparison to the efforts of the business owners over the years.

And also in case you didn't know, you typically have to already be successful to get government contracts, especially for defense.

I mean, I understand what the President said, and what he meant and I agree that this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion. We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, of course, and I can tell you right now that if I ever make it big, it will be because I worked smarter than other people, not harder, and got a lot of help on the way. But that doesn't mean that you should get up on stage in front of the whole nation and take me to task for being the leader of something.

Because, also in case you didn't know, you can't be an asshole to the people working under you and still have a smoothly running business. Every leader has to come to some kind of understanding with the teams they lead to give proper recognition and compensation all around . . . the President doesn't need to preach to everyone about it. It's none of his G-damn business.

So let me ask a question...

from what I have seen there is nothing about his speech that makes me think it was at it's core taken out of context... as a matter of fact here's the whole thing

Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia | The White House

Barack Obama said:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Click to expand...

So the taxes and fees that every business pays didnt build the bridges? The income and corporate taxes didnt pay for education and fire services? not only did they build that... they built it for everyone else too....

And just as a side note... the government built the infrastructure of what is the internet now to allow for military communication it wasnt until private enterprise got involved that ANYONE thought of using the internet to make money... and prior to the government nationalizing the road and bridge business in the 1930s roads and bridges were built by private companies that charged a fee to use them. ... just saying.

pbrauer said:

LOL The truth comes out...

Star of Romney Ad Did Receive Government Assistance


In a Mitt Romney ad last week, a stern Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating tells President Obama that his family -- and not the government -- built his company.

But John DiStaso reports Gilchrist "did receive some government help for his business" in 1999 when the company received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds "to set up a second manufacturing plant and purchase equipment to produce high definition television broadcasting equipment."

In addition, Gilchrist Metal received a U.S. Small Business Administration loan of around $500,000 in the 1980s and has received several sub-contracts from the U.S. Navy.​

Click to expand...

A wonderful revelation if the ad suggested that he never benefited of government assistance or that Romney's message is "no one ever gets assistance from everything." However, what's laughable is your deliberate misrepresentation of the video and Romney's message in a thread where you're bitching about misrepresentation of words and a message.

Romney's message was that yes, people do get help from different places and that different things do influence people, but ultimately it takes individuals taking individual initiative and individual risk to make something happen and they hold the largest responsibility for it's outcome and deserve to be lauded for their individual efforts, not minimized due to the help that may've contributed along the way.

I love it...you rage on for days that people take an interpretation of Obama's words that you disagree with, and then you have no issue taking an interpretation of Romney's word that runs counter to what most that support him suggest his speech meant as the basis for lambasting him on a strawman.

Zyphlin said:

Romney's message was that yes, people do get help from different places and that different things do influence people, but ultimately it takes individuals taking individual initiative and individual risk to make something happen and they hold the largest responsibility for it's outcome and deserve to be lauded for their individual efforts, not minimized due to the help that may've contributed along the way.

Click to expand...

Romney has a liberal track record just like Obama.

What you hear now are the words fed to Romney from the professional speechwriters.

johnny_rebson said:

Romney has a liberal track record just like Obama.

What you hear now are the words fed to Romney from the professional speechwriters.

Click to expand...

That may very well be the case, but that doesn't change WHAT the words are that come out of his mouth.

Zyphlin said:

A wonderful revelation if the ad suggested that he never benefited of government assistance or that Romney's message is "no one ever gets assistance from everything." However, what's laughable is your deliberate misrepresentation of the video and Romney's message in a thread where you're bitching about misrepresentation of words and a message.

Romney's message was that yes, people do get help from different places and that different things do influence people, but ultimately it takes individuals taking individual initiative and individual risk to make something happen and they hold the largest responsibility for it's outcome and deserve to be lauded for their individual efforts, not minimized due to the help that may've contributed along the way.

I love it...you rage on for days that people take an interpretation of Obama's words that you disagree with, and then you have no issue taking an interpretation of Romney's word that runs counter to what most that support him suggest his speech meant as the basis for lambasting him on a strawman.

Click to expand...

President Obama said this as well:

President Obama said:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Click to expand...

What's that....pbrauer is taking one portion of an entire sentence that's part of an entire paragraph of mine and misrepresenting it to be the entire point I'm making so that he can score political points.....in a thread where he's bitching about dishonesty in misrepresenting what someone says?

That's ****ing hillarious