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Romanians protest over gold mine. The largest discovered gold deposit in Europe

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Romanians protest over gold mine | euronews, world news

A seventh night of protests have taken place in Romania over plans for Europe’s largest open-cast gold mine.

The government approved a draft law, which allows for Canadian company, Gabriel Resources, to mine for the estimated 300 tons of gold and 1,600 tons of silver at the town of Rosia Montana in western Transylvania.

Over 1,000 people gathered at Bucharest’s University Square on Saturday night.

One protest said “it had been spontaneous” and he “enjoys that type of demonstration”. He adds that “the majority of people there are young and can’t be manipulated.”

The campaign against mining at Rosia Montana began in the 1990s with environmentalists saying the plan would destroy villages and ancient Roman sites.

Those in favour of the mine have said it will create a large number of jobs and bring billions of euro in revenue to the country.

Ok.
Now there are videos, like the one above, pointing out the fallacies of the above video which is a lot of propaganda.IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO READ ALL THIS WALL OF TEXT, I DON'T BLAME YOU. THE LAST PARAGRAPH IS THE CONCLUSION I HAVE ON THE ISSUE. Though the whole pros and con may be interesting to read.

So I shall detail everything here and you draw the conclusions.

In 2004, we a new center-right president, government and parliament (starting the Orange revolution basically). This was a major game changer since all the years since then, all elections were won by the socialists after communism fell. Now of course, we know now that they were just another bunch of corrupt gangsters like the ones before them. So because the campaign was costly, they wanted to make a lot of money. How to make money when you're in power? You sell the fortune of the people.
So in 2004 the government entered negotiations with a canadian gold company in order to sell the mineral rights to Rosia Montana. Ah, to make things clear, discussions between various gold companies and the state have existed since the fall communism in order to secure the mineral rights to Rosia Montana. But they were always met with opposition from the people. The guys in power were all for selling it all, they don't care. They can sign a crappy deal for the people in which the governments gets peanuts and the very next day, they end up buying houses in Switzerland and 200k$ cars. But we, the people, have always opposed this sort of thing. Now the socialists weren't in a hurry to sell the gold back then, before 2004, because they had other things to sell. Like petroleum. The center-right liberals were interested in selling it.. but they failed. Sort of. Now, since last summer, we have the socialists in power again.

our beloved prime minister, who is an idiot, is critical of the Rosia Montana project and gave people the impression that he will not permit the exploitation to happen. But lo and behold, last week, he tried to sneak in a draft of the legislation giving the go-ahead. Oh my, what changed? Bastard. I will tell you what changed, next year, in november, there are presidential elections and he and his party need money to make expensive campaigns and get their guy elected as president. Bastards. So now of course they're interested in selling the mineral rights, heck, they'd even sell their own mothers to get the money and get the power.

Now. This is all the state business. But people are against it and the Rosia Montana environmentalists have outstanding public support and international support. Mostly from students who are not short sighted and the middle class. In truth, except from people who have directly something to gain from the gold mining, you'd be stressed to find a single person under 40 who supports Rosia Montana exploitation.

But enough about this. Let's see what are the PROS listed by people who promote Rosia Montana. I am against the exploitation btw, and I will tell you why. I shall list all the pros declared by the company and the govt and the people who support it and counter them.
Pros:
#1) Mining jobs -> Really? MIning jobs? Mining jobs should be kept to a minimum. The fewer people work in mining, the better overall. Seriously, it's a dead-end job with huge health hazards. So in my opinion, if you want to give people jobs, tell them to get an education and work in the fields of tomorrow. Not this. this is awful.
#2) Billions of euros in revenue to the govt -> Our government is full of corrupt assholes who award fat contracts to their friends and make themselves rich. the smaller the govt budget is, the better it is for us all. Until we get fed up and start throwing all the old guard out, all of them, preferably throw them in prison, the government should settle for the revenue it gets from our paychecks. Don't sell the natural resources for a quick buck.
#3) The mining company promises to restore past exploitation that did harm to the environment -> This is true. Under communism, the rules of exploitation were very bad for the environment. The mining company promised to clean it up, that, and their mess, after they're done. But come on, if they can do it, surely our politicians can put together some money and make a budget plan to clean the past environmental hazards. If it has money to give to their fat friends who are "kings of roads" every year... every year the same god damned roads need repairing, like they're cursed or something, surely they can find a better road repair company that isn't run by someones' brother-in-law that can fix the roads so they don't need repair every year! And then maybe they'd have some money to clean up the environmental hazards.

So these are the main 3 pros.
Here are the 3 CONS:
1) Open cast cyanide mining. If you don't know how or what open cast mining is, google it. Now I personally am not bothered by this all that much, see conclusions why.
2) Rosia Montana is not just rich in gold and silver. There are other metals there too. Copper, bauxite and other rare and precious metals. The current draft that is supposed to pass through parliament has no indication about what will happen with those metals. the agreement between the govt and gold company is that they get everything they find in that area, in that mountain, but the govt only gets revenue from the selling of gold and silver. So you see, this is why there is corruption talk. What about the rest?
And 3... and this is the most serious one.
3) The company screwed the pooch badly 4-5 years ago. A massive scandal was discovered. Several anti-mining NGOs and other groups, who were resisting against the exploitation of rosia montana were found to be straw groups. The gold company bought them or set them up to make it look like there is some opposition when in fact, that opposition didn't exist. Now of course, the real opposition is still here. Nothing happened to that. But they paid NGOs to act like they were against the mining operation, then through staged events, made it seem like they were idiots for opposing the mining operation and had some even turn and say that it's a great idea. So basically, they tried to galvanize the entire movement through theater. And this is why I oppose the gold mining exploitation of Rosia Montana. Because the assholes who run the company tried to screw us.

In conclusion.

I am not against the exploitation from historical reasons... yes, there are ancient dacian and roman sites there but there is little tourist attraction even from within our country. The whole thing is poorly done and there is no funding to make it a real attraction. It could be a great tourist attraction, I've been there, there is potential, but I know the country and I know the people who run it and they're never going to make any investments there in that direction. I'm not against it due to the preservation of natural beauty. There are plenty other very beautiful areas in romania, much more beautiful than Rosia Montana. I am against it because the agreement is poorly drawn, with a lot of loopholes and because I don't trust the elected officials to do their jobs properly with the revenues and most of all, I am against it because the company leaders are dickheads and tried to pull a fast one on us.
 

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The second source states that there are concerns that the profit will not remain in Romania. What the heck is that suppose to mean? You are selling your resources and the profit does not remain there?
 

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The second source states that there are concerns that the profit will not remain in Romania. What the heck is that suppose to mean? You are selling your resources and the profit does not remain there?
The gold mining company has, since the beginning, adopted the position that all the money it makes from the gold mining operation, only half will actually be profit because the other half will either go to the state, be used in various construction projects, payments, clean-up. However, an independent report from several environmental groups, including greempeace, stated that the profits from the sale of gold over a long period of time (the whole thing is said to take 15-20 years) will actually generate smth like 10x more money (this means that their profits will be greater, maybe a bit bigger state revenue but not really) than the company states it will. And this is just from the gold. Not counting silver or other rare metals found in the region.

Also, cyanide usage is very dangerous in these operations. about 10 years ago or so there was another incident involving an australian company that did gold mining with the use of the cyanide technique in an area around another city. The toxic waste resulted from that still damages the area. The harm is counted in millions of dollars. And that wasn't even done with open cast mining. So yeah.

No. This mining venture cannot be allowed happen. It's too dangerous and there are too many black holes. Fortunately, over the past 10 years, there is widespread popular support. Fanfest (hay festival) is an event that garners international audiences where environmental friendly musicians and artists come and play at Rosia Montana, with thousands of people participating. Last year it was 6-8000 people, more than it was in 2012 and 2011. And the project keeps garnering more and more support.
 

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That is REALLY messed up. A natural resource being discovered like that should be given back to the people. In my home town in Texas they discovered one of the biggest natural gas repositories under the town. They pay yearly dividends to land owners proportional to their property size because of it.

**** like this doesn't belong to a private company.
 

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That is REALLY messed up. A natural resource being discovered like that should be given back to the people. In my home town in Texas they discovered one of the biggest natural gas repositories under the town. They pay yearly dividends to land owners proportional to their property size because of it.

**** like this doesn't belong to a private company.
The gold at Rosia Montana is not new information. There were gold mines there since the time of the Dacians. The real richness is indeed a more recent discovery thanks to modern technology. The land does people to the people. It's state land. If we had competent state leaders who knew how to make a contract that would truly benefit the people, by all means, let them mine the gold. But since we have corrupted officials who will pocket the money... the safe bet is that the result will that we, the people, end up shafted and with a natural region destroyed and our resources basically stolen.
 

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The gold at Rosia Montana is not new information. There were gold mines there since the time of the Dacians. The real richness is indeed a more recent discovery thanks to modern technology. The land does people to the people. It's state land. If we had competent state leaders who knew how to make a contract that would truly benefit the people, by all means, let them mine the gold. But since we have corrupted officials who will pocket the money... the safe bet is that the result will that we, the people, end up shafted and with a natural region destroyed and our resources basically stolen.
Politicians love to control state lands, and anything else they can get control of, for that matter, and use it to their personal benefit. It's a shame the money won't be used to make everyone's lives better, but in this case, I believe I agree with you that you shouldn't let them develop it. A few politicians and a few of their closest friends will get rich and the resources will be long-gone.
 

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The gold at Rosia Montana is not new information. There were gold mines there since the time of the Dacians. The real richness is indeed a more recent discovery thanks to modern technology. The land does people to the people. It's state land. If we had competent state leaders who knew how to make a contract that would truly benefit the people, by all means, let them mine the gold. But since we have corrupted officials who will pocket the money... the safe bet is that the result will that we, the people, end up shafted and with a natural region destroyed and our resources basically stolen.
Ah, that's pretty ****ed. So it's one of those situations where the politicians will sign a bunch of ****ed up contracts, then later take jobs at the mining company and retire billionaires.

Government is the most corrupt breed of pig.
 

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The gold mining company has, since the beginning, adopted the position that all the money it makes from the gold mining operation, only half will actually be profit because the other half will either go to the state, be used in various construction projects, payments, clean-up. However, an independent report from several environmental groups, including greempeace, stated that the profits from the sale of gold over a long period of time (the whole thing is said to take 15-20 years) will actually generate smth like 10x more money (this means that their profits will be greater, maybe a bit bigger state revenue but not really) than the company states it will. And this is just from the gold. Not counting silver or other rare metals found in the region.
What a rip off! So they are not stating how much there will be profit so as they can take the undeclared gold to themselves!

What happens with the 50% of profit then? The other 50% goes to the state, salaries, and all that. What of the other 50% then?
 

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What a rip off! So they are not stating how much there will be profit so as they can take the undeclared gold to themselves!

What happens with the 50% of profit then? The other 50% goes to the state, salaries, and all that. What of the other 50% then?
Well, they are stating an estimative figure of how much money the whole gold is worth, it's just that said statement is a load of crap according to others.

as to the profits. So lets say the entire thing is worth 100bil euros. So if you put all the gold on the market you make 100bil euros (hypothetical). What they are saying is that they'd be making only 50bil euros profit because the other 50bil will be fees, taxes, payments and what naught.
But as I said, that is a lie because through loopholes (like what happens to the copper and other rare metals found in the mountain) and other mishaps in any deal the company makes with the govt, they will end up keeping more of the money. But of course. even if they did manage to get just half of the total worth of the gold deposit, it's still the worlds' best deal. ever. You are getting a +100% return on your investment. And there is no risk.
Another way to put it is that you get 2euros for every 1 euro you invest. The cost is basically 1 euro and you get 2 euros.

There are 300 tons of gold, at least, in there. Probably more. During the geological surveys the communits did, the estimative size of the gold deposits were barely 100tons. The 300ton number is a relatively recent one.
 

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Well, they are stating an estimative figure of how much money the whole gold is worth, it's just that said statement is a load of crap according to others.

as to the profits. So lets say the entire thing is worth 100bil euros. So if you put all the gold on the market you make 100bil euros (hypothetical). What they are saying is that they'd be making only 50bil euros profit because the other 50bil will be fees, taxes, payments and what naught.
But as I said, that is a lie because through loopholes (like what happens to the copper and other rare metals found in the mountain) and other mishaps in any deal the company makes with the govt, they will end up keeping more of the money. But of course. even if they did manage to get just half of the total worth of the gold deposit, it's still the worlds' best deal. ever. You are getting a +100% return on your investment. And there is no risk.
Another way to put it is that you get 2euros for every 1 euro you invest. The cost is basically 1 euro and you get 2 euros.

There are 300 tons of gold, at least, in there. Probably more. During the geological surveys the communits did, the estimative size of the gold deposits were barely 100tons. The 300ton number is a relatively recent one.
Okay, but that profit stays in Romania right? In what form? Gold or money?

Also, what would you do with it? Construct the worlds biggest skyscraper? ;)
 

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Okay, but that profit stays in Romania right? In what form? Gold or money?

Also, what would you do with it? Construct the worlds biggest skyscraper? ;)
Well, depends what you understand by profit.
The profit the company makes it the money it makes after paying all expenses. That's the profit. And as I said earlier, the gold company, who is based in Canada with subsidiaries all over the world, makes 2 euros for every 1 euro invested, at least. And this is by their own admission. Greenpeace and other NGOs looked at the situation and said that that's a lie and the company stands to gain 10 euros for every 1 euro it invests.

So it's like you're going to the shop, buy a bread for 1euro, go to the next shop and sell it for 2euros (or 10 euros or whatever). Rinse and repeat for 300tons of bread and ladies and gentlemen we have a winner. The +1euro (or +9) you make on each bread transaction is your profit. And that belongs to the gold company.

The main revenue the state makes is as follows:
-the actual mining license/permit. The company will pay some money to be permitted to mine the minerals there. So basically the mineral rights.
-the taxes on the profits that the company makes.
-the taxes on the sales of gold (if done in Romania, if not, no).
-the revenue from the shares the state ownes in Rosia Montana Gold Corp which is the subsidiary to the canadian company. The canadian company owns 80% and Romania owns about 20% of the shares.
-Royalties.

Now all these taxes are said to bring, as an initial estimate, 24 bil euros to Romania's budget over the next 15-20years, with 2-3bil the first year alone. Now the numbers keep changing but that's not important.

So from the company POV, those are all expenses to be paid, those + the expenses a company has for running its business are taken out of all the income it makes from the business it does, and that's the profit it makes. This is the whole get 2euros for the price 1 thing that they said they make by their own admission from the deal. And that's their money they can do whatever they want with it.

Now. I'm not against capitalism. This is a capitalist deal. People make money from finding good opportunities to do business and taking them. So the principle the company acts upon is good idea. But the practice is bad for all the above mentioned reasons. The fact that our govt is corrupt and the politicians will use the money from the revenue to make themselves rich and their friends rich. the fact that the company paid for the creation of straw-men pro enviromentalist groups that would turn against the real environmentalists just to galvanize the whole movement, etc.

Last week the Romanian parliament, which is socialist-liberal union, after repeated public statements that it will NOT rewrite the mining law in order to permit the kind of mining the gold company wants to make, it passed it. This permitted the open cast kind of mining to be a valid form of mining, as well as other legislative things like environmental class suit and such. All the changes were basically benefitting the gold company's project at Rosia Montana.

What is standing the way of the gold company starting its' mining? well popular opinion and protests is one, but what are the final steps it has to complete from a legal, a legislative view?
1. Getting the actual permit to start the mining. Which is basically also the approval of the project. It is important to note that the project, including the way of the mining is done, hasn't been approved yet by Parliament. The PM said: don't worry, we will never approve the project; but many members of his own party chant a different song. And our PM is a duplicitous bastard so I don't trust him.

2. Relocating the remaining people at Rosia Montana. There are still some people living at Rosia Montana. Who own land there. The company did successfully managed, through more or less respectable means, to relocate the majority of them away. The rest don't want to go. And we are talking about a few hundred people, not 2-3 old people waiting to die in their homes. If the project is to move, the state will have to intervene forcefully remove them. Now this isn't fascist style, it's just how the law works. The states gets an estimate on the value of the property those people have, pays them that money and relocates them elsewhere.

Also there are other concerns still. I did say, there is the whole issue about the other metals that are valuable, like copper and bauxite, in the mountain. who owns those materials? the mining rights is only for gold and silver which are 300tons and 1600tons respectively.
 
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Okay, but that profit stays in Romania right? In what form? Gold or money?

Also, what would you do with it? Construct the worlds biggest skyscraper? ;)
Btw, Kosovo also has large rare metals deposits in Europe with important reserves in zinc, copper, bauxite, aluminum, gold and other precious metals.
 

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Oh, and you know what pisses me off even more than this?

Most of our main news channels either have a favorable pro-rosia montana exploitation stance or subdue the whole affair entirely.

For 2-3 days the front page of many major publications was about street dogs. ****ing street dogs in the capital city. Bucharest has always had a problem with street dogs, with a few exceptions in the early 2000s when the situation got sorted out. But then it got neglected and now they are back. And for 2-3 days now all the front pages of the newspapers was about the euthanasia of god damned street dogs in Bucharest. Today, the god damn parliament is supposed to make a vote on the thing. Say if it's legal or not.

I already covered how disgusted I am with the media in my country and the politicians and all this crap in numerous threads in the past. Just.... disgusting.
 

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But why cannot you harvest your own resources? See how you could gain the extra 50% for yourselves? This is a bad bargain! You should have pushed for less than freaking 50%!

Btw, Kosovo also has large rare metals deposits in Europe with important reserves in zinc, copper, bauxite, aluminum, gold and other precious metals.
I know that is why this is important news for me! I would be pissed if someone wanted this done this way here also!

For 2-3 days the front page of many major publications was about street dogs. ****ing street dogs in the capital city. Bucharest has always had a problem with street dogs, with a few exceptions in the early 2000s when the situation got sorted out. But then it got neglected and now they are back. And for 2-3 days now all the front pages of the newspapers was about the euthanasia of god damned street dogs in Bucharest. Today, the god damn parliament is supposed to make a vote on the thing. Say if it's legal or not.
The solution here is shooting dogs. I think it is 5 Euro's per head.

The problem is they pile up and are dangerous then when they act like a pack. They are most dangerous when there is a bitch involved.
 

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Pictures from the rallies that were yesterday and the day before. They are protesting the Rosia Montana gold mining project.

Bucharest:

Cluj-Napoca:
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Take a wild guess:


And there were many more in other cities, both in Romania and throughout most European capitals. Conservative estimates are around 70k people, Rosia Montana NGOs put the numbers around 110k people worldwide.
 

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These are all from the city I live in.


I was here 2 days ago. The dark haired girl from center-left in the picture was a friend of mine in the NGO I was part of during my student years.
 

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Romanians protest over gold mine | euronews, world news




Ok.
Now there are videos, like the one above, pointing out the fallacies of the above video which is a lot of propaganda.IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO READ ALL THIS WALL OF TEXT, I DON'T BLAME YOU. THE LAST PARAGRAPH IS THE CONCLUSION I HAVE ON THE ISSUE. Though the whole pros and con may be interesting to read.

So I shall detail everything here and you draw the conclusions.

In 2004, we a new center-right president, government and parliament (starting the Orange revolution basically). This was a major game changer since all the years since then, all elections were won by the socialists after communism fell. Now of course, we know now that they were just another bunch of corrupt gangsters like the ones before them. So because the campaign was costly, they wanted to make a lot of money. How to make money when you're in power? You sell the fortune of the people.
So in 2004 the government entered negotiations with a canadian gold company in order to sell the mineral rights to Rosia Montana. Ah, to make things clear, discussions between various gold companies and the state have existed since the fall communism in order to secure the mineral rights to Rosia Montana. But they were always met with opposition from the people. The guys in power were all for selling it all, they don't care. They can sign a crappy deal for the people in which the governments gets peanuts and the very next day, they end up buying houses in Switzerland and 200k$ cars. But we, the people, have always opposed this sort of thing. Now the socialists weren't in a hurry to sell the gold back then, before 2004, because they had other things to sell. Like petroleum. The center-right liberals were interested in selling it.. but they failed. Sort of. Now, since last summer, we have the socialists in power again.

our beloved prime minister, who is an idiot, is critical of the Rosia Montana project and gave people the impression that he will not permit the exploitation to happen. But lo and behold, last week, he tried to sneak in a draft of the legislation giving the go-ahead. Oh my, what changed? Bastard. I will tell you what changed, next year, in november, there are presidential elections and he and his party need money to make expensive campaigns and get their guy elected as president. Bastards. So now of course they're interested in selling the mineral rights, heck, they'd even sell their own mothers to get the money and get the power.

Now. This is all the state business. But people are against it and the Rosia Montana environmentalists have outstanding public support and international support. Mostly from students who are not short sighted and the middle class. In truth, except from people who have directly something to gain from the gold mining, you'd be stressed to find a single person under 40 who supports Rosia Montana exploitation.

But enough about this. Let's see what are the PROS listed by people who promote Rosia Montana. I am against the exploitation btw, and I will tell you why. I shall list all the pros declared by the company and the govt and the people who support it and counter them.
Pros:
#1) Mining jobs -> Really? MIning jobs? Mining jobs should be kept to a minimum. The fewer people work in mining, the better overall. Seriously, it's a dead-end job with huge health hazards. So in my opinion, if you want to give people jobs, tell them to get an education and work in the fields of tomorrow. Not this. this is awful.
#2) Billions of euros in revenue to the govt -> Our government is full of corrupt assholes who award fat contracts to their friends and make themselves rich. the smaller the govt budget is, the better it is for us all. Until we get fed up and start throwing all the old guard out, all of them, preferably throw them in prison, the government should settle for the revenue it gets from our paychecks. Don't sell the natural resources for a quick buck.
#3) The mining company promises to restore past exploitation that did harm to the environment -> This is true. Under communism, the rules of exploitation were very bad for the environment. The mining company promised to clean it up, that, and their mess, after they're done. But come on, if they can do it, surely our politicians can put together some money and make a budget plan to clean the past environmental hazards. If it has money to give to their fat friends who are "kings of roads" every year... every year the same god damned roads need repairing, like they're cursed or something, surely they can find a better road repair company that isn't run by someones' brother-in-law that can fix the roads so they don't need repair every year! And then maybe they'd have some money to clean up the environmental hazards.

So these are the main 3 pros.
Here are the 3 CONS:
1) Open cast cyanide mining. If you don't know how or what open cast mining is, google it. Now I personally am not bothered by this all that much, see conclusions why.
2) Rosia Montana is not just rich in gold and silver. There are other metals there too. Copper, bauxite and other rare and precious metals. The current draft that is supposed to pass through parliament has no indication about what will happen with those metals. the agreement between the govt and gold company is that they get everything they find in that area, in that mountain, but the govt only gets revenue from the selling of gold and silver. So you see, this is why there is corruption talk. What about the rest?
And 3... and this is the most serious one.
3) The company screwed the pooch badly 4-5 years ago. A massive scandal was discovered. Several anti-mining NGOs and other groups, who were resisting against the exploitation of rosia montana were found to be straw groups. The gold company bought them or set them up to make it look like there is some opposition when in fact, that opposition didn't exist. Now of course, the real opposition is still here. Nothing happened to that. But they paid NGOs to act like they were against the mining operation, then through staged events, made it seem like they were idiots for opposing the mining operation and had some even turn and say that it's a great idea. So basically, they tried to galvanize the entire movement through theater. And this is why I oppose the gold mining exploitation of Rosia Montana. Because the assholes who run the company tried to screw us.

In conclusion.

I am not against the exploitation from historical reasons... yes, there are ancient dacian and roman sites there but there is little tourist attraction even from within our country. The whole thing is poorly done and there is no funding to make it a real attraction. It could be a great tourist attraction, I've been there, there is potential, but I know the country and I know the people who run it and they're never going to make any investments there in that direction. I'm not against it due to the preservation of natural beauty. There are plenty other very beautiful areas in romania, much more beautiful than Rosia Montana. I am against it because the agreement is poorly drawn, with a lot of loopholes and because I don't trust the elected officials to do their jobs properly with the revenues and most of all, I am against it because the company leaders are dickheads and tried to pull a fast one on us.
l usually make such statements about our politicians too
 

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So to bring some updates and to bring a bit of the other side into the topic.
Protestul de la Rosia Montana continua: 22 de mineri raman blocati in subteran
Rosia Montana: Minerii protestatari isi amana greva foamei
THE LINKS ARE IN ROMANIAN, BUT I WILL TRANSLATE.
There are about 30+ miners now in Rosia Montana protesting FOR the project. So they are 30+ miners who are going on a HUNGER STRIKE in Rosia Montana for the purpose of having the legislation needed to start the mining there pass the Parliament.

This was a a response of the 2 weeks of protesting that tens of thousands of Romanians did AGAINST the project.

This is ofc, to be expected. People in Rosia Montana, especially miners, look to the project as a blessing. A chance for some jobs over 15-20 years time. Now of course, this is a very selfish view if you ask me, but it's their right.

The protesters who went on a HUNGER STRIKE demand that the president of the senate, Crin Antonescu, who is our PM's right hand man and co-leader of the ruling party, the socialist-liberal union, meet with them.

They have locked themselves in the old mines that were there before they got closed but will be provided with medical assistance in case they get ill.

However. The numbers as I said, against the mining, are very high and the popular opinion polls are also very high AGAINST the rosia montana project. Over 70k people protested in Bucharest, Cluj, Timisoara, Iasi and other major cities + foreign capitals in Europe that have large numbers of Romanians working there ( Paris, London, Madrid, Barcelona -> yes not a capital but you get the idea, Rome, etc). NGOs representing Rosia Montana have stated that worldwide, over 110k people have been part of the protests.
 

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Why don't they dig tunnels underground with a Diamond Pickaxe, then they can put the the gold ore into a furnace in the caves they dug, with lots of torches to keep out the skeletons, then build a powered railway to take it back to the surface?
 

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Why don't they dig tunnels underground with a Diamond Pickaxe, then they can put the the gold ore into a furnace in the caves they dug, with lots of torches to keep out the skeletons, then build a powered railway to take it back to the surface?
Because unfortunately we're not square-based people. :(.
 

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To continue the saga.

Today our parliament and president, following the tragic death of a boy in Bucharest after he was attacked by street dogs, passed the law allowing for street dogs that are captured and impounded to be put to sleep after 2 weeks. 14 work days. This should help clear the whole problem with street dogs.

Bucharest always had a big problem with streets... it got better in the early 2000s when our current President was then Mayor of Bucharest. But 3 years later he became President and a new mayor got elected and the whole initiatives he started to make the streets cleaner and safer went to ****.

Now, there are many wild pacts of rabid street dogs. I mean, these dogs can kill someone, even a grown up and women because they are ferocious. They do do attacks on people at times, but the fatality from 2 weeks ago of the boy was the first fatality ever. So now the law is put in place and the problem should be fixed sooner or later. But this is the issue.

All the stupid bitches on FB and twitter in Romania and self-entitled pricks in the blogosphere are in flames. they're up in arms: HOW CAN YOU EUTHANASIATE THE STREET DOGS?
LoL. But what did they do? What did they do to counter this law that was comming for 2 weeks now? They POSTED ON FB. And Twitter. Did they go in the streets to protest? No.

You know who went in the streets to protest for 3 weeks now? People opposing Rosia Montana gold exploitation with cyanide that would devastate a region and rob Romania of an important natural resource. They were out protesting. And what did the media do? they either ignored them or attacked the protesters, focusing on the ****ing dog situation. Well not the dog situation is over.
Can we get back to real news, you pathetic ****ing worms called romanian journalists. Rosia Montana gold situation, the protests and the fact that in a few days, our PM will meet with the IMF to take useless 2bil euros loan so he and his chumps can steal the public funds. ****s. Traitors. Whores.
 

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Romania PM says spurning gold project would deter investors | Reuters
Romania PM says spurning gold project would deter investors
(Reuters) - Romania would send a catastrophic message that it is not open for investment if it rejects a gold mining plan by Canada's Gabriel Resources (GBU.TO), Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta said on Wednesday.
No you idiot. What deters foreign investment is your incompetence in governing a nation... or closing a god damn contract with a foreign investor for that matter.
What do you want you moron? There are gaping holes in the contract and the legislation you want to pass that would allow the gold mining to continue so big that your fat ass could walk through them no problem.

Yesterday you walk around with a badge supporting the protesters saying that of course the parliament and your party which is majority should reject the legislation and it wouldn't be a big problem. Today you make it sound like it'll be a disaster.

Sending mixed messages like that is what makes people hate you and make others lose confidence in Romania, especially the private sector, you bipolar pig.

Honestly, this guy is a god damn joke. I mean I don't think we had a worse PM since the time of communism. He cannot make up his mind on anything.

Here's what you need to do: throw out the gold mining project because the people say so... or at least make a referendum on the issue. Let the people speak.
 

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Though mining is dangerous, it is the only way to get certain raw materials. I get the point the enviros are making, but you can't make things without raw materials. I believe the electronics industry uses a lot of silver.
 
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