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I see this is a somewhat sensitive subject for you.
I have no idea if you are Mr. Icke or not.
If I posted a clips of me Mum and Pop saying w/e ideas I wanted to present, then they would be fair game as well.
However, I don't.
If you don't want to discuss Icke, perhaps you should leave him out of your threads. I sure wouldn't have thought to include him in this thread on my own.you are welcome to make a thread about Icke and trash him there all you want. this thread is about education, not Reptilians.
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL
option 1:
government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.
option 2:
an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.
option 3:
education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.
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by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.
Wouldn't the kids usually choose to study TV and sugary snacks?Then again, I also think education needs to be reformed from this autocratic system to something more liberal, where students from a very young age can choose what to study.
Wouldn't the kids usually choose to study TV and sugary snacks?
I have learned over a long time that kids need iron discipline.
Failure almost certainly guarantees a probably short lifetime of misery and destruction.
Childhood should be seen as an unsatisfactory condition which can be overcome with great effort, and patience (on the part of the child.)
Freedom is a misunderstood concept. In its purest form it's just chaos.
Much more useful is the concept of Liberty, which connotes an attached responsibility and an acknowledgment of limitations.
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL
option 1:
government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.
option 2:
an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.
option 3:
education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.
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by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL
option 1:
government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.
option 2:
an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.
option 3:
education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.
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by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.
Quality public education is the only means of creating a free and just society.
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL
option 1:
government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.
option 2:
an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.
option 3:
education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.
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by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.
All of the powers of Congress after that first paragraph could be considered part of the "general welfare" or "common defense". If the founders intended that providing general welfare was a power of Congress, why would they list all of those rights? They all have to do with general welfare and common defense.Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
Above he states that the term ‘general welfare’ is defined by the other powers in A1 S8 and means nothing more. He was also perplexed that those opposed to the constitution had the fear that the term ‘general welfare’ would give congress unlimited power, when similar wording appeared in the weaker Articles of Confederation, which they supported.James Madison said:With respect to the two words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. If the words obtained so readily a place in the "Articles of Confederation," and received so little notice in their admission into the present Constitution, and retained for so long a time a silent place in both, the fairest explanation is, that the words, in the alternative of meaning nothing or meaning everything, had the former meaning taken for granted.
According to James Madison, the term ‘general welfare’ was meant to generalize about the specifically enumerated powers in A1 Section 8 of the Constitution. (the ones listed below)
Quality public education is the only means of creating a free and just society.
Damn, how did the United States survive as a free society for the 100+ years before the Congress violated the Constitution and began imposing public schools on everyone?
I have no problem with public education so long as it is at the local level.
By all means let the federal government gather data and statistics so the various states can assess how well they are educating the kids in comparison to other places. But the Federal government should not be developing curriculum, funding, or dictating mandates to the states. And it should not be aiding and abetting unions that intend to increase their own power and fortunes whether or not that improves the quality of education.
It's the states' job to evaluate their success and failures, not the federal government's. That goes part and parcel with establishing a curriculum, which is a local matter.
Unfortunately, that's not the scene today, and certainly not what the left means when they babble about "public education".
It's the states' job to evaluate their success and failures, not the federal government's. That goes part and parcel with establishing a curriculum, which is a local matter.
That becomes problematic when the American public as a whole, themselves, view education in terms of "America's schools"-even though the education system is incredibly complex and difficult to evaluate locally, let alone federally.
Yes. I don't want the Federal government to give 'grades' or set standards or issue a curriculum, but the Federal government could play a useful role by compiling and dispensing data that would give parents, school administrators, school boards, etc. a way to evaluate their effectiveness compared to others. Otherwise they could think they are doing okay when in fact they are not. It is too late to find that out when most of the kids are flunking college entrance exams or the kids are missing necessary prerequisites for good colleges.
It would be a lot easier to have a central place to go for that kind of information instead of each school trying to pull it all together.
Better yet, the states can pay independent private companies to compile that data for them, and leave the federal government out of it.
You must be the most enlightened person to ever grace these boards. We are all in due awe of you. Please tell us more.What Americans in their infinity stupidity ... POISON.
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