Robert Reich: "Why the major media fail to see how Bernie Sanders can win" (1 Viewer)

[Abbazorkzog]

Stumbled across this intriguing article by the Clintons' former-Labor Secretary, Robert Reich.

Why the major media fail to see how Bernie Sanders can win

As of now, Hillary Clinton has 54.9 percent of the pledged delegates to Bernie Sanders’s 45.1 percent.That’s still a sizable gap – but it doesn’t make Bernie Sanders’s candidacy an impossibility.

Further, there's also still 22 states to vote with nearly 45 percent of the pledged delegates still to be nabbed.
Bernie Sanders has positive momentum in nearly all of them.

Bernie is outpacing Clinton in fundraising.
Bernie broke turnout records in Idaho and Alaska and Washington.
Bernie's message is resonating across party lines (to Dems, Republicans and Independents)

The major media have come to see much of America through the eyes of the establishment. That’s not surprising. After all, they depend on establishment corporations for advertising revenues, their reporters and columnists rely on the establishment for news and access, their top media personalities socialize with the rich and powerful and are themselves rich and powerful, and their publishers and senior executives are themselves part of the establishment.

Unless you are rich and powerful, you have no right to betray your fellow citizens to this parasitocracy.

 

[joG]

Stumbled across this intriguing article by the Clintons' former-Labor Secretary, Robert Reich.

Why the major media fail to see how Bernie Sanders can win



Further, there's also still 22 states to vote with nearly 45 percent of the pledged delegates still to be nabbed.
Bernie Sanders has positive momentum in nearly all of them.

Bernie is outpacing Clinton in fundraising.
Bernie broke turnout records in Idaho and Alaska and Washington.
Bernie's message is resonating across party lines (to Dems, Republicans and Independents)



Unless you are rich and powerful, you have no right to betray your fellow citizens to this parasitocracy.

That is exactly what BS wants to bring over us: a parisitocracy.

 

[Moot]

She still has more of the popular vote. New York and California will likely give her the delegates to win.

The states that Bernie has won didn't have a large delegate count. Clinton's strategy is to win the states with large delegate counts....which is something she didn't do in 2008 and why she lost to Obama....and why Bernie is now likely going to lose to Clinton.

 

[Helix]

he's not going to win. it's Hillary.

at least he'll stay in it long enough for me to vote for him in the primary. then in the general, i'll have to decide if i want medicare privatized and the SCOTUS ****ed up for a generation, or whether i want to vote for a ****ing hawk with something to prove. either way, i'll end up not supporting the candidate that i vote for.

**** the gerrymandered duopoly. **** it right in the ear.

 

[nota bene]

Remember last summer and its "discontent"? Depending on what happens this summer, I wouldn't be surprised if the returning college kids in the fall go nuts over Bernie.

 

[Chomsky]

Stumbled across this intriguing article by the Clintons' former-Labor Secretary, Robert Reich.

Why the major media fail to see how Bernie Sanders can win



Further, there's also still 22 states to vote with nearly 45 percent of the pledged delegates still to be nabbed.
Bernie Sanders has positive momentum in nearly all of them.

Bernie is outpacing Clinton in fundraising.
Bernie broke turnout records in Idaho and Alaska and Washington.
Bernie's message is resonating across party lines (to Dems, Republicans and Independents)



Unless you are rich and powerful, you have no right to betray your fellow citizens to this parasitocracy.

If the Party (through it's superdelegats) hadn't already coronated Hillary, I have no doubt he'd win the general!

 

[iguanaman]

If the Party (through it's superdelegats) hadn't already coronated Hillary, I have no doubt he'd win the general!

That and the fact that she has gotten more that 2.5 million more votes than him. He can't beat Hillary but he will win the general?

RCP Total - 8,924,821 6,397,980 Clinton +2,526,841

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Democratic Popular Vote

 

[Abbazorkzog]

That and the fact that she has gotten more that 2.5 million more votes than him. He can't beat Hillary but he will win the general?



RealClearPolitics - 2016 Democratic Popular Vote

Most of those are from the Deep South, which will never vote Democratic in a general election.

 

[Chomsky]

That and the fact that she has gotten more that 2.5 million more votes than him. He can't beat Hillary but he will win the general?



RealClearPolitics - 2016 Democratic Popular Vote

Yes!

Absolutely!

We're not talking Democratic Primary voters here, we're talking the general electorate for the Presidential.

Firstly, he matches up better than her against the current crop of GOP candidates.

Secondly (and most importantly), except for FL her big wins occur in states down south that the Dems never carry. Alabama? Louisiana? Texas? Seriously? Those delegates earned by Hillary in noncompetitive southern states are worthless. Sanders does better in the states the Dems need to win and usually carry in terms of electoral votes. And electoral votes win Presidential elections.

So while Hillary is currently winning the Primary (with southern states and super-delegates), Bernie is stronger in electoral votes and in matching-up against the individual GOP candidates. Bernie is the stronger Presidential contest candidate, but he'll never get the chance to show it!

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Yes!

Absolutely!

We're not talking Democratic Primary voters here, we're talking the general electorate for the Presidential.

Firstly, he matches up better than her against the current crop of GOP candidates.

Secondly (and most importantly), except for FL her big wins occur in states down south that the Dems never carry. Alabama? Louisiana? Texas? Seriously? Those delegates earned by Hillary in noncompetitive southern states are worthless. Sanders does better in the states the Dems need to win and usually carry in terms of electoral votes. And electoral votes win Presidential elections.

So while Hillary is currently winning the Primary (with southern states and super-delegates), Bernie is stronger in electoral votes and in matching-up against the individual GOP candidates. Bernie is the stronger Presidential contest candidate, but he'll never get the chance to show it!

Eh, who knows. The primary season is only halfway over. He polls strong in California and his home state is NY, not to mention he's winning in Wisconsin (right after six landslide victories in a row = extremely high momentum) so who knows?

 

[Chomsky]

Most of those are from the Deep South, which will never vote Democratic in a general election.

Yes, exactly.

I would have incorporated your post into my reply to iguanaman, if I had seen it earlier.

The fact is:

Right now both Democratic candidates appear poised to take-out Trump or Cruz, but Bernie is stronger. Which I think goes to show that in terms of winning the Presidency this year, the country is indeed ready for Bernie and may even be ready to accept a President billing himself a "Socialist"!

Who'd have thunk it? :doh

But unfortunately, Hillary is his spoiler ...

 

[Chomsky]

Eh, who knows. The primary season is only halfway over. He polls strong in California and his home state is NY, not to mention he's winning in Wisconsin (right after six landslide victories in a row = extremely high momentum) so who knows?

Of course.

I'd say let's hope!

But I doubt the dayem supers will flip this cycle from her, like they did with Obama in '08.

But again, let's hope.

 

[Chomsky]

he's not going to win. it's Hillary.

at least he'll stay in it long enough for me to vote for him in the primary. then in the general, i'll have to decide if i want medicare privatized and the SCOTUS ****ed up for a generation, or whether i want to vote for a ****ing hawk with something to prove. either way, i'll end up not supporting the candidate that i vote for.

**** the gerrymandered duopoly. **** it right in the ear.

If given those choices, I'd say do what's right for the Court! That has the longest and most profound effect. And the thought of the GOP controlling all three branches scares me! Really, scares me!

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Of course.

I'd say let's hope!

But I doubt the dayem supers will flip this cycle from her, like they did with Obama in '08.

But again, let's hope.

They may be the establishment, but they will be declaring war on an entire generation. I don't think they're that stupid.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yes!

Absolutely!

We're not talking Democratic Primary voters here, we're talking the general electorate for the Presidential.

Firstly, he matches up better than her against the current crop of GOP candidates.

Secondly (and most importantly), except for FL her big wins occur in states down south that the Dems never carry. Alabama? Louisiana? Texas? Seriously? Those delegates earned by Hillary in noncompetitive southern states are worthless. Sanders does better in the states the Dems need to win and usually carry in terms of electoral votes. And electoral votes win Presidential elections.

So while Hillary is currently winning the Primary (with southern states and super-delegates), Bernie is stronger in electoral votes and in matching-up against the individual GOP candidates. Bernie is the stronger Presidential contest candidate, but he'll never get the chance to show it!

It's eerie how so many of the posts parallel the OP is talking about, that Bernie is a strong candidate and has momentum etc., but can't possibly win. I beg to differ, he's far from out of it, the fact he's even still in the running against a woman who has been campaigning for 16 years shows some serious weakness in the "coronation" theory. I think a lot of dems wanted a coronation, as I recall at first Bernie was ridiculed severely even accused of riding on her coattails.

I continue to return to the issue of trust. Never mind, at this point, who people are saying they will vote for, but look at the polls regarding trust. Dear Hillary does not fair well. The dems may have spent the last eight years sneering at the continuing probes by the Republicans, but it appears it has taken its toll.

But more than anything, the OP is dead on about 'the establishment' and the mood of the voter's, and if there is a candidate in this race who is more "establishment" than she someone would have to be lying.

I think the ultimate match up is the stolid and polite Sanders against the rude freight train that is Trump.

 

[Chomsky]

It's eerie how so many of the posts parallel the OP is talking about, that Bernie is a strong candidate and has momentum etc., but can't possibly win. I beg to differ, he's far from out of it, the fact he's even still in the running against a woman who has been campaigning for 16 years shows some serious weakness in the "coronation" theory. I think a lot of dems wanted a coronation, as I recall at first Bernie was ridiculed severely even accused of riding on her coattails.

I continue to return to the issue of trust. Never mind, at this point, who people are saying they will vote for, but look at the polls regarding trust. Dear Hillary does not fair well. The dems may have spent the last eight years sneering at the continuing probes by the Republicans, but it appears it has taken its toll.

But more than anything, the OP is dead on about 'the establishment' and the mood of the voter's, and if there is a candidate in this race who is more "establishment" than she someone would have to be lying.

I think the ultimate match up is the stolid and polite Sanders against the rude freight train that is Trump.

Yes, but the Dems have the superdelegate problem. They're a large percentage. I seem to recall 20-25% or so. And they mostly all went Hillary no matter if Bernie won the state!

Bernie has to get them back into his camp somehow. But who knows? If he wins the committed delegate count at the end of the day, the supers may feel obligated to switch to him. That's what happened to Obama in '08, only they came to him earlier-on during the primary.

 

[Helix]

If given those choices, I'd say do what's right for the Court! That has the longest and most profound effect. And the thought of the GOP controlling all three branches scares me! Really, scares me!

I'm not a big fan of them privatizing medicare. I think that could happen with an uncontested majority.

 

[Chomsky]

I'm not a big fan of them privatizing medicare. I think that could happen with an uncontested majority.

Who's privatizing MediCare? The GOP?

 

[Helix]

Who's privatizing MediCare? The GOP?

read the Paul Ryan budget from a few years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Path_to_Prosperity#Medicare_and_Medicaid_changes

 

[iguanaman]

Yes!

Absolutely!

We're not talking Democratic Primary voters here, we're talking the general electorate for the Presidential.

Firstly, he matches up better than her against the current crop of GOP candidates.

Secondly (and most importantly), except for FL her big wins occur in states down south that the Dems never carry. Alabama? Louisiana? Texas? Seriously? Those delegates earned by Hillary in noncompetitive southern states are worthless. Sanders does better in the states the Dems need to win and usually carry in terms of electoral votes. And electoral votes win Presidential elections.

So while Hillary is currently winning the Primary (with southern states and super-delegates), Bernie is stronger in electoral votes and in matching-up against the individual GOP candidates. Bernie is the stronger Presidential contest candidate, but he'll never get the chance to show it!

And why is that? Because he cannot get enough votes in the primary to beat Hillary. Sanders is an unknown in a general election. You'll be the 1st to admit most don't know him. Will they like him after Trump calls him every "red" term in the book and every bit of his "pinko" past has been laid to bare? That's the unknown. As enticing as you think he is it is not worth losing the election for.

 

[iguanaman]

Most of those are from the Deep South, which will never vote Democratic in a general election.

Sadly their votes still count, this is a democratic process. Hillary is the only candidate that has gotten more votes than Trump and she will win Florida and Ohio easily. Sanders is an unknown with a radical message. Let's not make the electorate choose between two radicals. We may not like the result.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Sadly their votes still count, this is a democratic process. Hillary is the only candidate that has gotten more votes than Trump and she will win Florida and Ohio easily. Sanders is an unknown with a radical message. Let's not make the electorate choose between two radicals. We may not like the result.

Ohio maybe, Florida is going to go Republican no matter who it is.
PS: Centre-Left is not 'radical', it is laughably "un"-radical.

 

[iguanaman]

Ohio maybe, Florida is going to go Republican no matter who it is.
PS: Centre-Left is not 'radical', it is laughably "un"-radical.

LOL Obama won Florida twice. Hillary will have no problem against Trump or Cruz. You are understating Sanders perceived stance. He is calling for Universal healthcare and free college. That is not center anything.

 

[Greenbeard]

Secondly (and most importantly), except for FL her big wins occur in states down south that the Dems never carry. Alabama? Louisiana? Texas? Seriously? Those delegates earned by Hillary in noncompetitive southern states are worthless. Sanders does better in the states the Dems need to win and usually carry in terms of electoral votes. And electoral votes win Presidential elections.

So while Hillary is currently winning the Primary (with southern states and super-delegates), Bernie is stronger in electoral votes and in matching-up against the individual GOP candidates. Bernie is the stronger Presidential contest candidate, but he'll never get the chance to show it!

The Electoral College is won in the swing states. Where Hillary has done very well in so far: Ohio: +14, Florida: +31, Virginia: +29, North Carolina +14, Nevada +5.

If the general election were held via low turnout caucuses you'd have a stronger argument.

 

[Chomsky]

The Electoral College is won in the swing states. Where Hillary has done very well in so far: Ohio: +14, Florida: +31, Virginia: +29, North Carolina +14, Nevada +5.

If the general election were held via low turnout caucuses you'd have a stronger argument.

Alright, you make a pretty persuasive argument there with your 'swing state' strategy.

Bernie matches-up better against individual GOP candidates in the Presidential in national popular votes, but you are right in pointing-out the electoral votes in the swing states are a heavily weighted component.