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Rittenhouse may be self defense

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Charging Kyle Rittenhouse with first degree murder is facially absurd​ - TheBlaze

According to this, there is tons of video documentation of his movements and the events. NYT analyzes it.

This says he was being chased repeatedly before he shot. The first guy he shots was a sex crime convict, saying the N word and lieterwlly taunting asking some black militia guys to shoot him. Then He was charging when someone fired into the air, that is when Rittenhouse fired.

The second guy was part of a crowd charging and attacking him, And he had a loaded firearm.


Again, multiple times Rittenhouse is seen trying to flee danger before the shootings.

He is also seen on camera assisting protesters that were pepper sprayed by cops. And giving water to cops.

There is evidence he was just trying to be a good guy And it went bad, in over his head.
 
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Charging Kyle Rittenhouse with first degree murder is facially absurd​ - TheBlaze

According to this, there is tons of video documentation of his movements and the events. NYT analyzes it.

This says he was being chased repeatedly before he shot. The first guy he shots was a sex crime convict, saying the N word and lieterwlly taunting asking some black militia guys to shoot him. Then He was charging when someone fired into the air, that is when Rittenhouse fired.

The second guy was part of a crowd charging and attacking him, And he had a loaded firearm.


Again, multiple times Rittenhouse is seen trying to flee danger before the shootings.

He is also seen on camera assisting protesters that were pepper sprayed by cops. And giving water to cops.

There is evidence he was just trying to be a good guy And it went bad, in over his head.

Factually what happened isn't ambiguous at all. Unfortunately, in this day and age that won't necessarily save him.
 

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This case is a perfect example why assholes with military weapons should never be allowed on our streets.
 

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Factually what happened isn't ambiguous at all. Unfortunately, in this day and age that won't necessarily save him.

How can you say that not having all the facts. Yea, his day and age we judge, jury and execute (riot) at the drop of a hat.
 

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How can you say that not having all the facts. Yea, his day and age we judge, jury and execute (riot) at the drop of a hat.

I've seen the videos. Both shots were unambiguous self defense.
 

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Cool now the right defends gangs and their members....

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Charging Kyle Rittenhouse with first degree murder is facially absurd​ - TheBlaze

According to this, there is tons of video documentation of his movements and the events. NYT analyzes it.

This says he was being chased repeatedly before he shot. The first guy he shots was a sex crime convict, saying the N word and lieterwlly taunting asking some black militia guys to shoot him. Then He was charging when someone fired into the air, that is when Rittenhouse fired.

The second guy was part of a crowd charging and attacking him, And he had a loaded firearm.


Again, multiple times Rittenhouse is seen trying to flee danger before the shootings.

He is also seen on camera assisting protesters that were pepper sprayed by cops. And giving water to cops.

There is evidence he was just trying to be a good guy And it went bad, in over his head.

That’s never how it works. If you knowingly join a bar fight, and in your “defense” you shoot two of the patrons, that’s not self defense because you knowingly and willingly placed yourself in a conflict.

Now if the same two people had attacked him while he was in his own state and he had not sought out conflict, then the self defense argument might have worked.
 

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That’s never how it works. If you knowingly join a bar fight, and in your “defense” you shoot two of the patrons, that’s not self defense because you knowingly and willingly placed yourself in a conflict.

Now if the same two people had attacked him while he was in his own state and he had not sought out conflict, then the self defense argument might have worked.

What the videos show is that he took every available opportunity to retreat but was relentlessly pursued and ultimately cornered by those attempting to commit grave bodily harm against him. Wisconsin law is crystal clear - this is self defense.
 

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What the videos show is that he took every available opportunity to retreat but was relentlessly pursued and ultimately cornered by those attempting to commit grave bodily harm against him. Wisconsin law is crystal clear - this is self defense.

Sorry, but if you join a bar fight, it doesn’t matter if there’s a video of you later running away from two people. You made the decision to be a part of the bar fight in the first place.

When you knowingly place yourself in a hostile conflict (and there’s enough mens rea to kill a horse here), then that’s it. The self defense argument goes out the window.
 

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Sorry, but if you join a bar fight, it doesn’t matter if there’s a video of you later running away from two people. You made the decision to be a part of the bar fight in the first place.

When you knowingly place yourself in a hostile conflict (and there’s enough mens rea to kill a horse here), then that’s it. The self defense argument goes out the window.

He didn’t “join a bar fight.” He was viciously assaulted and pursued by the worst elements of society for standing outside of a gas station. They’re justifiably dead.
 

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Sorry, but if you join a bar fight, it doesn’t matter if there’s a video of you later running away from two people. You made the decision to be a part of the bar fight in the first place.

When you knowingly place yourself in a hostile conflict (and there’s enough mens rea to kill a horse here), then that’s it. The self defense argument goes out the window.
So if you protest while looting is happening, , you are joining a bar fight?

You are using the same basic tactic some right wingers use to demonize protestors.
 

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He didn’t “join a bar fight.” He was viciously assaulted and pursued by the worst elements of society for standing outside of a gas station. They’re justifiably dead.

The kid left the gas station and was not allowed back in by Police trying to get the remaining IDIOTS with guns to clear off the premises.

Ultimately if the prosecutors do their jobs (unclear since I have yet to say Police or the DA or the AG do their jobs in Kenosha yet) they will develop a time line of the shooter's presence in Kenosha and fill in as many gaps as they can. They key to these charges in Wisconsin is establishing Provocation, one way or the other. We have seen nothing that clearly determines Provocation as defined in the Wisconsin Homicide statutes. NOTHING. So we should just SHUT UP and wait.
 

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He didn’t “join a bar fight.” He was viciously assaulted and pursued by the worst elements of society for standing outside of a gas station. They’re justifiably dead.

Sorry, there isn’t a “I get to murder people if debate forum posters really hate them” clause.
 

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So if you protest while looting is happening, , you are joining a bar fight?

You are using the same basic tactic some right wingers use to demonize protestors.

You’re going to have to square that “nonviolent protester” peg with that “bringing a semiautomatic rifle” hole.
 

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You’re going to have to square that “nonviolent protester” peg with that “bringing a semiautomatic rifle” hole.

It’s called the constitution. I am sure some protesters are carrying as well. One of the victims was carrying.
 

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The three casualties were ex-cons. One was a pedophile and one was illegally possessing a firearm. Why are you defending them?
 

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Can't wait to see all the evidence.
 

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Sorry, but if you join a bar fight, it doesn’t matter if there’s a video of you later running away from two people. You made the decision to be a part of the bar fight in the first place.

When you knowingly place yourself in a hostile conflict (and there’s enough mens rea to kill a horse here), then that’s it. The self defense argument goes out the window.

He didn't join the fight. He was standing on private property and was attacked by a superior numbers.
 

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So if you protest while looting is happening, , you are joining a bar fight?

You are using the same basic tactic some right wingers use to demonize protestors.

Cardinal absolutely didn't think that one through...lol
 

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The kid left the gas station and was not allowed back in by Police trying to get the remaining IDIOTS with guns to clear off the premises.

Ultimately if the prosecutors do their jobs (unclear since I have yet to say Police or the DA or the AG do their jobs in Kenosha yet) they will develop a time line of the shooter's presence in Kenosha and fill in as many gaps as they can. They key to these charges in Wisconsin is establishing Provocation, one way or the other. We have seen nothing that clearly determines Provocation as defined in the Wisconsin Homicide statutes. NOTHING. So we should just SHUT UP and wait.

Yes, I must be excused for thinking that video evidence of violent criminals throwing a Molotov at someone and beating them in the street means anything other than trying to cause severe bodily harm if not death. :lol:
 

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The three casualties were ex-cons. One was a pedophile and one was illegally possessing a firearm. Why are you defending them?

And the kid was breaking federal and state law in doing what he did.. The three casualties at worst were breaking a curfew. So what if they had criminal backgrounds.. most people in America have some sort of criminal background these days due to the idiotic legal system.
 
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