Riots in Kazakhstan

[Lord Tammerlain]

Russia will not permit dissent in the Stans. We have seen the same with Belarus.
Eventually more of them will blow up again. Ukraine is the poster child for what Putin hates

It does to a degree. Azerbaijan certainly has pulled away from Russia and moved closer to Turkey, heck it even attacked Armenia to regain territory it lost in the 90's. Russia will not let Kazakhstan move to far away of course as it does have some very strategic assets in that country. If the US is involved it could be used to pull Russian assets away from Ukraine

 

[JANFU]

It does to a degree. Azerbaijan certainly has pulled away from Russia and moved closer to Turkey, heck it even attacked Armenia to regain territory it lost in the 90's. Russia will not let Kazakhstan move to far away of course as it does have some very strategic assets in that country. If the US is involved it could be used to pull Russian assets away from Ukraine

Or people are few up with massive corruption, huge revenue resources and the vast majority have little to show for it
Add in a tightly run & brutal dictatorship - add on nearly 2 years of Covid, inflation and then subsidies cut
What could go wrong

No doubt the US has assets there, but nothing has shown US involvement
The people rioted

 

[joluoto]

It does to a degree. Azerbaijan certainly has pulled away from Russia and moved closer to Turkey, heck it even attacked Armenia to regain territory it lost in the 90's.

Yeah, but Russia hurried to broker a peace agreement. In the past Russia has been very Pro- Armenian, with influence over Armenian politics and the Armenian military. In the last decade though Russian investment in Azerbaijan has increased, and thus it's not as clear cut anymore. Also Armenia at the time of the last conflict had a Prime Minister who tried to distance Armenia from Russia, which is why Russian support was lukewarm. From Russia's persepctive the very useful territorial conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan has stopped bneing useful and is now a hindrance for Russian influence in the region.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Yeah, but Russia hurried to broker a peace agreement. In the past Russia has been very Pro- Armenian, with influence over Armenian politics and the Armenian military. In the last decade though Russian investment in Azerbaijan has increased, and thus it's not as clear cut anymore. Also Armenia at the time of the last conflict had a Prime Minister who tried to distance Armenia from Russia, which is why Russian support was lukewarm. From Russia's persepctive the very useful territorial conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan has stopped bneing useful and is now a hindrance for Russian influence in the region.

Russian relations with Armenia were strained a handful of few years back after a Russian soldier murdered 6 members of the Avetisyan family in their home and the Kremlin initially refused to hand him over for trial. In August 2016, defendent Valery Pavlovich Permyakov was sentenced to life in prison on charges of murder by an Armenian court. There remains a bad taste in the mouth of the residents of Gyumri, Armenia where the Permyakov murders took place and where Russia's 102nd Military Base is located. Drunken Russian soldiers killed 2 men and injured 14 with AK-74 assault rifles in 1999. In 2013 two Armenian children were killed by a mine in a training fireld of the base that had not been fenced off. The Russian military never punished anyone for these deaths.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Russia-led alliance sending peacekeepers to Kazakhstan

A Russia-led military alliance says it will dispatch peacekeeping forces to Kazakhstan after the country’s president asked for help in controlling protests that have escalated into violence, including the seizure and setting afire of some government buildings.

apnews.com

Russia-led military alliance will send 'peacekeepers' to protest-hit Kazakhstan, Armenian PM says | CNN

"Peacekeepers" from a Russia-led military alliance of post-Soviet states will be sent to Kazakhstan to help stabilize the country following deadly protests against a hike in fuel prices, Armenia's Prime Minister said Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

Major protests in Kazakhstan have triggered an internet blackout across the country, leading to the resignation of the Prime Minister; rioters have disarmed some National Guard and Law enforcement personnel.

Sounds like a real insurrection. Unlike the fake one the socialist lefties in America keep screeching about.

 

[Bum]

Yeesh...turning messy very quickly; Kazakh President gives "shoot to kill" order on live television.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[ataraxia]

This is the proper way to conduct an insurrection.Killings,fires,cops splitting the protestors skulls open.Our Capitol disturbance looked like a picnic compared to this.To call what happened last January 6th an insurrection is a joke.

The intentions were the same.

 

[ataraxia]

Unlikely

Kazakhstan is fairly western friendly while still having good relations with Russia. A change in government would cause instability and reductions in oil and gas production which would benefit Russia.

So if it is a color revolution it is poorly timed by the US ( instigator of color revolutions). It is a country with great oil wealth that does not benefit all society so when certain programs like fuel subsidies are cut it creates angry in the population. A shortage of bread and wheat sparked the troubles in Syria if I recall correctly

Yes. Many conservatives keep wondering why extremes of wealth inequality in a country are a bad thing. Well, here ya go: exhibit A.

 

[ataraxia]

Sounds like a real insurrection. Unlike the fake one the socialist lefties in America keep screeching about.

Don't worry. Donnie and his minions (you know, those "second amendment people") are studying what they did wrong this last time so they can get it right the next time they lose an election.

Millions of Armed Americans Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024

If armed violence erupts in 2024, the fate of the nation might well be decided by a simple fact: a big subset of the Republican Party has been systemically arming itself for this very reason.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Yes. Many conservatives keep wondering why extremes of wealth inequality in a country are a bad thing. Well, here ya go: exhibit A.

Heck I would say the BLM riots and protests were just as much about economic prospects and a lack of them as police brutality

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Don't worry. Donnie and his minions (you know, those "second amendment people") are studying what they did wrong this last time so they can get it right the next time they lose an election.

Millions of Armed Americans Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024

If armed violence erupts in 2024, the fate of the nation might well be decided by a simple fact: a big subset of the Republican Party has been systemically arming itself for this very reason.

www.newsweek.com

They failed because they were not willing to take it to the next level.

The CIA would have had snipers shoot a few protesters behind the barricades. Public support would have switched to the protesters, violence could have then grown from both groups. That violence could have allowed Trump to declare martial law

No on in the Trump camp wanted to take the very risky chance of ordering snipers to shoot on his supporters, as being found out would result in the death penalty

 

[Nilhus]

Or people are few up with massive corruption
Add in a tightly run & brutal dictatorship

People almost never protest or riot against corruption. Allegations of "corruption" + protests = almost certainly American machinations related to regime change - they have a huge history of doing this kind of thing - lots and lots of would-be "anti-corruption" NGOs, journalists, activists are almost always financed by NED/USAID/FreedomHouse/SorosFoundations - which are CIA fronts with a long history of regime change operations.

There was no brutal anything. Actually Kazakhstan was pretty stable and decently developed compared to most ex-Soviet countries(richer than Ukraine, Moldova, Tajikistan, Kyrgyztan, etc.)

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

People almost never protest or riot against corruption. Allegations of "corruption" + protests = almost certainly American machinations related to regime change - they have a huge history of doing this kind of thing - lots and lots of would-be "anti-corruption" NGOs, journalists, activists are almost always financed by NED/USAID/FreedomHouse/SorosFoundations - which are CIA fronts with a long history of regime change operations.

There was no brutal anything. Actually Kazakhstan was pretty stable and decently developed compared to most ex-Soviet countries(richer than Ukraine, Moldova, Tajikistan, Kyrgyztan, etc.)

Yes they do, but when fuel subsidies were cut, that can spark protests. It has in many other countries, be it food, cooking gas etc. Corruption does not cause the riots it is when people are hungry, but not starving that riots will occur

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

People almost never protest or riot against corruption. Allegations of "corruption" + protests = almost certainly American machinations related to regime change - they have a huge history of doing this kind of thing - lots and lots of would-be "anti-corruption" NGOs, journalists, activists are almost always financed by NED/USAID/FreedomHouse/SorosFoundations - which are CIA fronts with a long history of regime change operations.

There was no brutal anything. Actually Kazakhstan was pretty stable and decently developed compared to most ex-Soviet countries(richer than Ukraine, Moldova, Tajikistan, Kyrgyztan, etc.)

It is quite surprising that Kazakhstan is having issues and that Kyrgyzstan is more stable

 

[multivita-man]

Clearly, the government of Kazakhstan has failed the people.

Time to install Borat as Kazakhstan's rightful ruler once again!

 

[Rexedgar]

Putin would seem to have a full dance card…..

 

[beerftw]

Yet you can't drum up any links that support your anti-American conspiracy theory.

Protests erupted in the western region of Mangystau (the town of Zhanaozen) 5 days ago over a sudden hike (doubling) in prices for liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) due to the end of state fuel subsidies. They have spread to cities and towns across Kazakhstan and broadened to include political grievances. There is a national-scale Internet blackout and shutdowns of government websites and news agencies. In a major move to distance himself from the past, President Toqaev on January 5 removed his predecessor, 81-year-old Nursultan Nazarbaev from the powerful post of head of the country's Security Council, sacked the Cabinet, and declared a nationwide state of emergency. The reality is that Kassym-Jomart Tokayev is a hand-picked successor of longtime president Nazarbayev who stepped down as president in 2019. But the government remains seeded with Nazarbayev family members and crony's like Tokayev. The people are tired of the Nazarbayev dynasty and want it gone. The Kazakh chant of “Shal ket!” (“Old men must go!”) is heard all around the country.

Poverty, inequality and corruption: why Kazakhstan’s former leader is no longer untouchable

Analysis: Nursultan Nazarbayev, behind-the-scenes powerbroker, thought he found a way to step aside without risking retribution

www.theguardian.com

And this is no surprise.....

Russian troops intervene in protest-roiled Kazakhstan, where security forces have killed dozens of demonstrators

Oh but the militant activity happened very rapidly not just protests, in a manner than makes most state militaries on earth look unorganized.

Oh year the supposed leader of this movement is already crying for the united states to intervene to stop russia, the same man under warrant by interpol for fraud, theft, murder, and trying to overthrow the kazakh govt before, after talking to a group founded by a cia agent, jeez the dots seem to connect.


Or maybe it is the fact the cia you work for is soo lazy and predictable any nation on earth could randomly throw out the accusation and be right 99/8% of the time since the cia is like a broken record repeating the same failed plans over and over like they think everyone on earth is that stupid.

 

[beerftw]

I know why your flag changes. A VPN. I have them also.

The question is: Why are you hiding your location on a debate site?

A: Because you don't want your true location known is why.

Why don't you tell your true location, is it because the cia does not want you revealing it?

 

[beerftw]

It's none of your concern why my flag changes.

About the only propagandist here is you. It could also be Litwin, but that could be one of your socks.

In the subforum Russia / Ukraine / Belarus you have >1500 anti-Russia topics created in the past two years, which is clearly propaganda spam, super likely a job duty.

He is part of cia psyops, he is not hard to spot out, his posts change to mirror exactly the cia agenda, for example syria he spammed endlessly, then turned around and refused to care for syria until his cia leaders made him them suddenly he reverse to support syria again.

Everything he has posted has been a direct copy and paste of cia and military psyops propoganda, he is a pure propoganda agent, so terrible that he is the onlyone who believes he is fooling anyone, as everyone else caught on a long time ago he was a paid shill of the cia.

 

[JANFU]

@Jredbaron96
Interesting article

Why Russia Sent Troops Into Kazakhstan

Moscow’s swift aid to a neighboring regime tracks with its wider strategic goals.

foreignpolicy.com