Right and Left dynamics as impacted by the war in Ukraine

[Nomad4Ever]

It revealed a tendency evident on both extremes of the political spectrum - the far-left and far-right - to side with the Russian President as an expression of their discontent with the state of the modern Western world.

Would refute this as well. The people that tend to side with Putin on the extreme left and extreme right tend to both be authoritarians. On the right you have people I believe are more Fascist leaning and on the left you have the Tankie Marxist Leninist types. However, both the extreme left and right also have anarchist or libertarian leaning groups.

So conservative libertarians and libertarian socialists/communists (like myself) tend to oppose Russia's invasion. Then of course there are also the far right European nationalists like the Azov Battalion. Both ends of the extremes pretty much have exactly the same splits that the center has; i.e. support/oppose/neutral/isolationist. They just arrive at those positions for different reasons.

 

[Centrist]

1. A man sees two teenagers playfighting and does nothing.
2. A man later sees a teenager violently assault a bystander and tackles/restrains the teenager until the police deal with him.

Yes, I agree, my analysis is basic as obviously you can not make a determination on everyone from the left or right -> without also adding variables such as past conflicts. I even stated above that mostly was due to my conversations and perception.

Specifically to the No-Fly Zone. I was absolutely shocked how many people that identify with the left in the US supported this idea which would have led to nuclear war. Is that an incorrect statement to say that initially, more elements on the left supported the idea of a no-fly zone? Yes, of course, because it sounds good on paper. We are going to restrain that person that assaulted someone.

But that is why there is a difference between theory and practical use. This video explains it well, I highly recommend watching it for anyone that still thinks this idea is great for the world:

 

[bluesmoke]

I think you are underestimating the "small group" on both sides.

On the right, there are a large number of patriot types that support Ukraine simply because it secures America's geopolitical interests. They want to see a strong US that stays as a leader of the world.


Sadly as a leftist I must report the situation is a bit more grim. While the number of psycho tankie's that think Russia is somehow anti-imperialist is fair small, a large number of the left have fallen into an incredibly annoying "both sides" mentality that always just ends up justifying Russia's actions. A good example of this would be Chomsky, and the UK's Jeremy Corbin.

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Public Expresses Mixed Views of U.S. Response to Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine

About a third of adults (32%) say the U.S. is providing about the right amount of support for Ukraine, while a larger share (42%) says it should be providing more support; just 7% say it is giving Ukraine too much support.

www.pewresearch.org

So, Rep/cons more than Dem/libs think there is not enough support being given Ukraine. But a much wider margin of Dems support Ukrainian refugees than do Reps. We want you over there protecting our democracy, but not so much over here enjoying what you're protecting of ours.

Interesting that a higher % of Dem/libs thought not enough support than Dem/con/mods.

 

[bluesmoke]

The West is not only the United States of America. There are lands outside North America. Your evidence is an article from Reuters. I am not denying the results of its findings. The right had to adapt fast when they realized the situation was serious https://www.economist.com/europe/20...aking-life-difficult-for-right-wing-populists. And we all know the populists are who control the masses and the polling by passing their instructions to the voter.

Once public opinion got ahold and the videos started coming up Tucker Carlson did a 180 degree and Trump went from calling Putin "a genius" to "I would have attacked Moscow". Forgive me but in recent history, the right has a track recorder with the Middle East. Colin Powell's speech and Donald Rumsfeld kept popping up in my head. Also Dick Cheney/Bush.

Having such "honorable" individuals as a reference point it was my impression that the other side, followers of the democrats/independents in the USA learned a lot so, with that poll correct, it shows nothing was learned. The left is at the level of the right.

---> There might be another scenario -> If the question was asked: "Do you want to establish the no-fly zone to protect Ukrainians?" without explaining the implications then that -> provides an explanation for putting emotion over intellect.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-03-10/no-fly-zone-delusion

I gave evidence of fact of what people say they believe and want, vs you gave an interpretation that of that, indicating the opposite. Logically, you go with what people say they believe and what they would do, not with what you saying they don't know what they're talking about and are actually thinking the opposite.

I gave evidence of fact that the RW is historically more often supporting intervention. Not what there might otherwise be as a possibility floating around in your head.