Bertrand Russell said:Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.
HU-210 said:Very nice! Appreciate your hosting, and would welcome a place to download the other two when they become avaible. Thanks.
Mr U
oracle25 said:This documentary is as silly as they come. I found an interesting article on this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1681002,00.html
robin said:I saw the 1st programme How fascinating. Was cheesed off I missed the 2nd. Well now thanks I'll download the 2nd. What an evil man that evangelist Ted Haggard is. Those guys are just 1st class salesmen.
The programmes should be shown in all schools as part of the syllabus. I've long subscribed to his notion that religion is a mind virus. The process of faith as 'non thinking'.
Absolutly. Maybe he needs a prop like that to tell him not to rape but I don't. The guy's demented. He'd switched from being a Rabbi fanatic to a Muslim fanatic. Religious sickos like him are like paedophiles & rapists. They are incurable.Engimo said:The things that the Muslim man were saying sort of scared me. Do these people really believe that the only thing stopping us from going out and raping little girls and killing people is a fear of God? And our women are whores? What?
Oracle, have you ever thought about joining a canibal tribe ? I think there's a couple left in the Amazon :lol:oracle25 said:What should stop us from doing those things? I mean if it's just survival of the fittest than why shouldn't I just kill someone who is weaker than me?
Any harm that religion has done is based on perversions of God. Harm that has been done in the name of atheism is based on completely correct atheistic principals.
robin said:Absolutly. Maybe he needs a prop like that to tell him not to rape but I don't. The guy's demented. He'd switched from being a Rabbi fanatic to a Muslim fanatic. Religious sickos like him are like paedophiles & rapists. They are incurable.
I close the door on Jehovahs witness's now. I'm tired of telling them the world is more than 6000 years old. Oh well at least the Jehovah wooden heads aren't actually violent.
Thanks again for the download. Got 30% of it already in just 5 mins. Good old 2Mb/s broadband
robin said:Oracle, have you ever thought about joining a canibal tribe ? I think there's a couple left in the Amazon :lol:
oracle25 said:What should stop us from doing those things? I mean if it's just survival of the fittest than why shouldn't I just kill someone who is weaker than me?
Any harm that religion has done is based on perversions of God. Harm that has been done in the name of atheism is based on completely correct atheistic principals.
Yes I'm a radical fundamentalist truth seeker & I want to kill people that don't believe what I do. I believe the universe is more than 6000 years old, the earth goes round the sun, the world isn't flat & there's no father Christmas.oracle25 said:Ah yes, religious bigotry... and you call us dangerous.
Engimo said:Genetics and the fact that we live in a society. We have an inherent aversion to killing other people and harming them because it is advantageous for the species as a whole if we're not going around killing eachother constantly. Also, fear of reprecussions is a deterrent to crime.
The bottom line is that a lack of religion does not mean a lack of morality. If this were true, there would be a statistically greater number of atheistic criminals than religious criminals - which is not the case. I am an atheist and I abhor violence, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't lie, and I don't cheat. These morals are based on things that do not need to be derived from religion.
oracle25 said:This is the most ridiculous statement. "We have morals because it helps people" no. According to evolution we should only be thinking of ourselves. We should not be worried about our species only ourselves.
No. To be an atheist you can believe in noting supernatural.
robin said:Yes I'm a radical fundamentalist
:rofltruth seeker
& I want to kill people that don't believe what I do.
I believe the universe is more than 6000 years old.
the earth goes round the sun, the world isn't flat & there's no father Christmas.
Seriously though, as far as I am aware, no one with my world view has gone out killing anyone for no other reason than they simply don't subscribe to it.
oracle25 said:Umm... try Hitler and Stalin, is that good enough examples?
Engimo said:Actually, that's entirely wrong. According to Evolution, we should be concerned only about the species and not the individual. The survival of the individual is sublimated to the survival of the species as the whole.
Radical fundamentalist... Isn't it obvious I was kidding for heaven's sake :roll:oracle25 said:This in and of itself goes against the idea of atheism.
:rofl
Not helping your cause any.
Does this have something to do with were talking about?
Very good! You have passed basic logic!
Umm... try Hitler and Stalin, is that good enough examples?
Engimo said:Hitler wasn't an atheist, but even if he was that is irrelevant. The atheism of people like Stalin and Mao was not the basis for which they decided to be terrible people and kill millions.
Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam Hussein all had moustaches, didn't they? Well, it must be because they had moustaches that they were mass murderers.
The fact that they had something in common (in this case, atheism) is irrelevant unless their atheism compelled them to be mass murderers.
oracle25 said:Which it did, because they had no moral standard.
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