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Revival of Nazism in Europe

Just an observation, many people like to see themselves a part from their origin and culture, and identify themselves to others which is not from their origins. Nazism are are not only among wite north america and Europeans, but also among brown people in Brazil and Indonesia who feel more belonging with the Nazism ideology and German past than to the history, politics, ideologies of the culture where they came from. The same with young European from Europeans families running from home to join Islamic fundamentalists in Syria.

You make it sound like racism and tribalism are an inevitable part of human nature. I disagree. Racism and tribalism are certainly a part of human nature, but not an inevitable part of it. It can be otherwise. In India, they like to divide society up into castes. It's a weird social construct, and very dysfunctional. It creates a lot of pain, loss of opportunity, and injustice. But it is a worldview and social system which has contingently evolved there. In Islamic countries, racism is not really an issue, but religious bigotry is. If you are not a Muslim, and specifically the right sect (Shiite, Sunni, etc...), you are considered a second class citizen and even your life cannot be protected by the state. You are considered something less than human.

So here we have our version of all this: racism. And nationalism. Heck, nationalism was not even a thing until the 19th century. There is nothing inevitable about any of these weird social constructs we humans make. The question is whether we have the smarts to be able to see beyond how contingent and transient they are, and be able to move beyond the injustice and pain and dysfunction such dysfunctional mindsets and worldviews create. It's not impossible. But admittedly, it can be difficult. It requires a lot of education. And that's expensive and difficult.

So difficult, and probably unlikely, that we are going to get all those angry, forlorn, uneducated young men to change their hateful worldviews. But that doesn't mean it's inevitable or impossible.
 
You make it sound like racism and tribalism are an inevitable part of human nature. I disagree. Racism and tribalism are certainly a part of human nature, but not an inevitable part of it. It can be otherwise. In India, they like to divide society up into castes. It's a weird social construct, and very dysfunctional. It creates a lot of pain, loss of opportunity, and injustice. But it is a worldview and social system which has contingently evolved there. In Islamic countries, racism is not really an issue, but religious bigotry is. If you are not a Muslim, and specifically the right sect (Shiite, Sunni, etc...), you are considered a second class citizen and even your life cannot be protected by the state. You are considered something less than human.

So here we have our version of all this: racism. And nationalism. Heck, nationalism was not even a thing until the 19th century. There is nothing inevitable about any of these weird social constructs we humans make. The question is whether we have the smarts to be able to see beyond how contingent and transient they are, and be able to move beyond the injustice and pain and dysfunction such dysfunctional mindsets and worldviews create. It's not impossible. But admittedly, it can be difficult. It requires a lot of education. And that's expensive and difficult.

So difficult, and probably unlikely, that we are going to get all those angry, forlorn, uneducated young men to change their hateful worldviews. But that doesn't mean it's inevitable or impossible.

Before 19 century nationalism wasn't a thing because national states didn't exist then. Instead people was religious, hamlet, free/slave, and so on. After the formation of national states, state capitalism and the republic people became nationalist, professional liberal (bourgeoisie)/employee (proletariat), left wing /right wing, and all these things that didn't existed before 19 century.

If you read The Mother Tongue: English and How It Got That Way by Bill Bryson, you will learn that even the way we speak is unconsciously (and sometimes consciously) a way to tell others and ourselves where we belong, not only in relation to culture, nation or regional territory but also in relation a social group or even gender, neighborhood, erudition an so on.

As I said, we humans have this emotional and psychological need of belonging. And we will always have it while we as child need an adult or parents in order to survive during years after we are born, just like any or most mammals. So we always will have this need of being part of a family, and not other families, as a way to feel we have an identity.

The French Guiana is a territory located in South America with a probably the highest number of people with madness problem. Politically speaking it is Frence (territoire d'outre mer). People born there have French citizenship, they use the Euro currency there, and all the french laws are applied there. Just like Hawaii is to the US. But despite the fact in French Guiana schools they learn they are French and their history being as the origin from the Francs in Europe, such education and view get in conflict with their own culture and they way they are seen as outsiders in Europe. This create a confusion about where they belong and it cause deep psychological problems leading to madness.
 
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The French Guiana is a territory located in South America with a probably the highest number of people with madness problem. Politically speaking it is Frence (territoire d'outre mer). People born there have French citizenship, they use the Euro currency there, and all the french laws are applied there. Just like Hawaii is to the US. But despite the fact in French Guiana schools they learn they are French and their history being as the origin from the Francs in Europe, such education and view get in conflict with their own culture and they way they are seen as outsiders in Europe. This create a confusion about where they belong and it cause deep psychological problems leading to madness.

Sure. Cultural differences will always be there. I mean, heck, we even have big cultural differences between Texas and New York. Heck, we even have cultural differences between Austin and Houston in the same state. Heck, anyone who has been married knows that there are big cultural differences even between the family you grew up in and the family your spouse grew up in, even if you guys grew up in the same neighborhood. Sometimes if may feel like you are from different countries and speaking different languages.

The point is not that cultural differences do not exist or should cease to exist. The point is whether you think they are insurmountable and conflict will always be inevitable. My point is that cultural conflicts, whether between people or between nations, don't have to be necessarily always a cause of conflict. A little education, understanding, tolerance, and empathy go a long way to bridge those divides. It makes for a more sane and livable world.
 
stop lying.

Once every few months another low-functioning alt.right type comes in here saying that the word 'socialism' in Nazi means they were left-of-center. Some of them go so far as to say the government implementing wartime economic measures proves it.
 
You're making the association, what's the diff. Nothing! You remind me of Dick Durbin, comparing our troop in Gitmo to Nazis. The fact that you venture into that area at all says a lot about you.

What about comparing the US intelligence services to Nazi Germany? That okay with you? 'Cause that's what Cheeto Mussolini said.
Among other blatantly anti-American slurs.
 
Once every few months another low-functioning alt.right type comes in here saying that the word 'socialism' in Nazi means they were left-of-center. Some of them go so far as to say the government implementing wartime economic measures proves it.

Once every few months? BwaaaaHAHAHAHAHA, how about once every five minutes? :roll:
And if you wind up on a lot of the other forums, it's once every five seconds.

And the problem is, liberals aren't harnessing their prodigious ability to generate "massive internet outrage" to counter it.
Yesterday NYT writer Bari Weiss tweeted her pride over US figure skater Mirai Nagasu's triple axel at the Winter Olympics.
She captioned the tweeted video: "Immigrants, they get the job done".
Liberal internet outrage was swift and enormous. Nagasu is first generation native born American.
Nevertheless, the tweet might have been interpreted as countering the perception that Asian-Americans, like many other ethnic groups, are perceived as "perpetual foreigners", especially by the same people who spout the revisionist tropes about Nazism.

Liberals are more concerned about "being offended" by practically everything else instead of being offended by deliberate politically motivated paid historical revisionism.
And it is paid, by the way.
That's the whole reason outfits like Breitbart (among others) exist as the tip of the spear.

And it's not just liberals, how about ordinary independents who just know better? Together, we're all being gradually buried by a bunch of organized trolls who regurgitate lies in orwellian fashion.
And there's no organized effort to counter it whatsoever.
 
For instance, an outright Nazi party Jobbik that is known for its support for the establishment of concentration camps for Hungarian Gypsies is quite a force among other parties in Hungary's parliament. And this is not the only instance. The entire Europe has been swept by a wave of nationalism. The same applies to Latvian All for Latvia! nationalist party that is known to glorify Latvian Legion of the Waffen-SS, Sweden Democrats advocating for limited resettlement from non-European countries to the territory of Sweden, as well as, German far-right party Alternative for Germany and Greek ultra-nationalist party Golden Dawn also known for their radical views. This list can be extended indefinitely.

These nationalist parties across Europe are controlled and funded by Russia as the rise of populist, pro-Russia political parties is so convenient for Moscow. For instance, a member of Hungary's Jobbik party has been charged with spying on European Union institutions for Russia. The right-wing populist Alternative for Germany party is also seeking closer ties with Moscow as is the case with France's National Front. Last year, President Vladimir Putin welcomed Marine le Pen, the leader of the National Front (FN), in Moscow. France's National Front received a 9m euro (£6.9m) loan from a Russian bank in 2014. Jobbik in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece, and the Northern League in Italy are known to be funded by Russia, too. The AfD and FN support the seizure of Crimea from Ukraine, for which Russia has been facing economic sanctions.




A Hungarian European Parliament member who belongs to the nationalist opposition Jobbik party has been charged with spying on European Union institutions for Russia, prosecutors said on Wednesday.

The charges against Bela Kovacs, which include using forged private documents, stem from an investigation dating from April 2014, when Hungarian authorities first reported the suspected espionage and filed for his immunity to be lifted.

“This was followed by declaring reasonable suspicion, the essence of which was that the member of parliament had been involved in espionage on behalf of a foreign state for its secret service,” the prosecutors said in a statement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ep-with-spying-on-eu-for-russia-idUSKBN1E01CH
 
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What about comparing the US intelligence services to Nazi Germany? That okay with you? 'Cause that's what Cheeto Mussolini said.
Among other blatantly anti-American slurs.

Looks now like he might have been right, given all that's coming out.
 
Looks now like he might have been right, given all that's coming out.

Arrgh?
Looks like the US intelligence services are like Nazi Germany? How so?
 
Sure. Cultural differences will always be there. I mean, heck, we even have big cultural differences between Texas and New York. Heck, we even have cultural differences between Austin and Houston in the same state. Heck, anyone who has been married knows that there are big cultural differences even between the family you grew up in and the family your spouse grew up in, even if you guys grew up in the same neighborhood. Sometimes if may feel like you are from different countries and speaking different languages.

The point is not that cultural differences do not exist or should cease to exist. The point is whether you think they are insurmountable and conflict will always be inevitable. My point is that cultural conflicts, whether between people or between nations, don't have to be necessarily always a cause of conflict. A little education, understanding, tolerance, and empathy go a long way to bridge those divides. It makes for a more sane and livable world.

lol...
I didn't talk about cultural differences at all. What I talked about was how the lack of the sense of belong mess with people mental health. It has nothing to do with cultural differences.
 
These nationalist parties across Europe are controlled and funded by Russia as the rise of populist, pro-Russia political parties is so convenient for Moscow. For instance, a member of Hungary's Jobbik party has been charged with spying on European Union institutions for Russia. The right-wing populist Alternative for Germany party is also seeking closer ties with Moscow as is the case with France's National Front. Last year, President Vladimir Putin welcomed Marine le Pen, the leader of the National Front (FN), in Moscow. France's National Front received a 9m euro (£6.9m) loan from a Russian bank in 2014. Jobbik in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece, and the Northern League in Italy are known to be funded by Russia, too. The AfD and FN support the seizure of Crimea from Ukraine, for which Russia has been facing economic sanctions.



Russia and political parties are not the only ones to blame.
Many business profit a lot with political polarization such as Facebook, Twitter and many others social medias and publications. Social media and other web platforms algorithm incentive many to polarization. Because extremism and polarization make people more engaged in social medias and news portals.
 
Arrgh?
Looks like the US intelligence services are like Nazi Germany? How so?

Clandestine message, and conspiracy to cause political mayhem.
 
You're making the association, what's the diff. Nothing! You remind me of Dick Durbin, comparing our troop in Gitmo to Nazis. The fact that you venture into that area at all says a lot about you.

He compared the inhumane treatment of prisoners (as he had been informed about) to things that you would expect nazi's, soviets in their gulags or some mad regime (like Pol Pot or others), that had no concern for human beings.

All he wanted to do is make sure no inhumane treatment or torture was being committed in the war on terror, harking back to the time when Lincoln suspended the habeas corpus principle in which prisoner were allowed to challenge their detention. The supreme court rebuked him and wrote:

The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions could be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism.

I agree, he would have been better to avoid words like nazi, soviet or pol pot, but he was talking about the inhumane treatment of prisoners and not so much about the troops at Guantanamo because they do not make the rules, that is the military and political leadership. Those were the ones he called out and not the troops on the ground, they cannot change what their commanders order them to do.
 
Sadly nazi-like (I am not going to say specifically nazi's, the nazi's had issues with the Jews, these idiots have an obsession with Muslims) are alive and kicking, just look at the ideas of the Partij voor de Vrijheid (party for freedom, a totally stupid misnomer IMHO, because they hate freedom):

Party program for Rotterdam:

1. de-islamization: No place for the Islam in Rotterdam:
a. closing of all mosques, to begin with the biggest of our country, the Esselam mosque
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b. ban all Muslim education
c. asylum seeker center Beverwaard gets closed down immediately and no asylum seeker center will never be allowed in Rotterdam again
d. social housing will go to Rotterdam citizens and no longer to refugees with a permanent status
e. no longer will illegals who have no legal recourse anymore be allowed to have a place at a bed/bath/bread shelter anymore
f. a special alderman will be instituted for de-islamization
g. kick the current Moroccan Muslim Salafist mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb

3. crime: no longer allow scum to rule the streets
a. as hard as nails treatment of (Islamic) street thugs
b. institute ethnic profiling and take down of tough guys
c. more preventative stop and search programs and more CCTV
d. more police on the streets and police stations have to be open 24/7
e. zero tolerance for violence

It is ludicrous that a party which calls it self freedom party only allows freedoms for those who they agree with, all others have to heed and obey their views. That is not freedom that is fascism.
 
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