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Let us understand what our own selfish genes are up to, because we may then at least have the chance to upset their designs, something that no other species has ever aspired to
By referring to a "selfish gene" Dawkins implies a desire on the part of something incapable of desire or any other emotion. I haven't seen a Darwinist writer yet who doesnt do the same. They can't help but describe evolution as if some intelligent force guides it and then they say that of course that's just an anology, because there is no such intelligent force.
Because they "cant" see it. But they do see it or why talk that way about the theory?
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If we were told that a man had lived a long and prosperous life in the world of Chicago gangsters, we would be entitled to make some guesses as to the sort of man he was. We might expect that he would have qualities such as toughness, a quick trigger finger, and the ability to attract loyal friends. These would not be infallible deductions, but you can make some inferences about a man's character if you know something about the conditions in which he has survived and prospered. The argument of this book is that we, and all other animals, are machines created by our genes. Like successful Chicago gangsters, our genes have survived, in some cases for millions of years, in a highly competitive world. This entities us to expect certain qualities in our genes. I shall argue that a predominant quality to be expected in a successful gene is ruthless selfishness. This gene selfishness will usually give rise to selfishness in individual behaviour.
Genes cannot be selfish and they certainly cannot be "ruthless." Nor can they be altruistic and merciful. Those are emotions. Actually, by one definition of "ruthless," which would be lacking pity or compassion for others, you could argue that they are ruthless because they lack the emotions of pity or compassion. By that definition, my left shoe is also ruthless.
No, Dawkins seems convinced that genes selfishly and ruthlessly want to survive and replicate. Guess what he calls their effort to do so?
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My question for Dawkins and his fans on here would be this:
If genes selfishly replicate themselves, why did sexual selection come about when sexual selection only replicates half of the genes in an individual?
In what "sense" was it being used?And with that, it's clear your entire "contribution" is based on what is almost certainly a deliberate misunderstanding of the sense in which the word "selfish" or any of the other words bothered you were being used.
Well put, beancounter.Humans are selfish by nature. It's a fundamental survival instinct of the "lower brain".
But humans are able to rise above it.
Wow. That you cannot understand the anthropomorphic use of 'selfish' for lay people and non-scientists is very sad. Again, your entire stated professional background is completely unbelievable. And yes, he explained the comparison all thru the book.In what "sense" was it being used?
Where in the book does Dawkins explain that?
I hope this isn't method acting Because it isn't very convincing.@seymourflops Anyway, to further progress in your education, dont forget to read the other 2. They build nicely on...and are more current...on that foundation of evolution at the genetic level. If not...wallow in ignorance, I dont care.
The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature, Matt Ridley
The Tangled Tree: A Radical New History of Life, David Quammen
The first is one of my favorite books and really awesome. Quammen's book, which you already dissed, is a history of scientists developing the theories of life and its development and evolution. It goes back to the 1800's and even further, before Darwin. He's not an evolutionary biologist, he's a science writer who's brought together all the theories and their development, abandonment, growth, etc. for examination, a history. Your prior judgment was incredibly myopic and childish.
BTW, if Dawkins himself said that it is possible that life on Earth was started by a sentient being, would that change your mind about ID or change your mind about Dawkins?
I see your mistake.Wow. That you cannot understand the anthropomorphic use of 'selfish' for lay people and non-scientists is very sad. Again, your entire stated professional background is completely unbelievable. And yes, he explained the comparison all thru the book.
You were supposed to learn a foundation for evolution...it if you deliberately chose not to learn anything...I'm sure you know from your 'teacher' days that you cant force kids to learn. But for you to believe you know more than the author on the critical concepts and processes? Nearly all still stand today and they laid the groundwork for research to come.
You, like many religious people, "need" for your belief in creationism or ID (same thing using pseudoscience) to be true, so you use science 'backwards'...you have the result you must believe, and then manipulate science to 'prove it.' IMO, people this incapable of grasping reality should never be in charge of 'molding young minds' in the classroom.
Yes, that question isn't one I would ask you. It was directed at a person who does have the mentality of a cult follower.I always find questions like this funny. It's almost as if you believe that atheism is a cult with a leader. Maybe that's just what you relate to.
It wouldn't matter what Dawkins said. It doesn't matter what any particular atheist says or does. Atheism isn't born out of the words of a "leader". People that I've met that are atheists, aren't followers.
What we are looking for is what we have reason to believe in, or what we have reason not to believe in. That's it.
What some atheist says is only as good as the logic he puts behind his statements.
Not unless there was scientific evidence behind it.I hope this isn't method acting Because it isn't very convincing.
BTW, if Dawkins himself said that it is possible that life on Earth was started by a sentient being, would that change your mind about ID or change your mind about Dawkins?
Sad that you cannot discuss anything and only lie. We all know you cant know what I have read...yet you lie to support your agenda as a cheap diversionary tactic.I see your mistake.
I did not need to learn the foundation of evolution. I was already well aware of that. That is not what The Selfish Gene is about anyway.
You should have recommended The Blind Watchmaker, at least it tries to refute ID. But I guess if you recommend books you havent read just based on the title and a Google search, its going to becrandom like that.
Your opinion is noted.Sad that you cannot discuss anything and only lie. We all know you cant know what I have read...yet you lie to support your agenda as a cheap diversionary tactic.
And yes, you do need to learn the foundation of evolution. That you believe otherwise only reinforces it. That you deny The Blind Watchmaker's content is evidence right there. A closed mind cannot learn. You believe you KNOW the answers...so nothing science publishes that shows you wrong will manage to squeeze into your mind.
You have no idea what you are missing...the actual science behind life on earth is amazing and miraculous. And doesnt depend on a mythical sky man.
Btw, I'm not making up some lie like you are, but I am sure you didnt read the book. That's my opinion.
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