Revelation of John

Thomas Jefferson famously described the Revelation of John:

I then considered it as merely the ravings of a Maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams... I cannot so far respect them as to consider them as an allegorical narrative of events, past or subsequent. there is not coherence enough in them to countenance any suite of rational ideas... what has no meaning admits no explanation... I do not consider them as revelations of the supreme being, whom I would not so far blaspheme as to impute to him a pretension of revelation, couched at the same time in terms which, he would know, were never to be understood by those to whom they were addressed.

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Crossbows that could hit anywhere in the world and locusts with the faces of men were once the stuff of low fantasy. Yet in modern times we seem to read much more into the text of this book: intercontinental ballistic missiles, drones with video monitors and less-than-lethal weapons, the destruction of privacy online.

If someone drew a map in the year 1400, and then, upon discovering Florida, people noticed numerous points of similarity, they would think perhaps he had actually been to Florida.

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bythoughts said:

Thomas Jefferson famously described the Revelation of John:

Crossbows that could hit anywhere in the world and locusts with the faces of men were once the stuff of low fantasy. Yet in modern times we seem to read much more into the text of this book: intercontinental ballistic missiles, drones with video monitors and less-than-lethal weapons, the destruction of privacy online.

If someone drew a map in the year 1400, and then, upon discovering Florida, people noticed numerous points of similarity, they would think perhaps he had actually been to Florida.

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White Horse 2020-2030.5.
Red Horse 3000.
Black Horse 4000.
Pale Horse 6500.
Martyrs Convergence 9000.
Closing Convergence 11,500.

Revelation 6.
Revelation 8, a half hour of Kali Yuga is about 30,000 years.
Seventh Seal/first Trumpet 31,500.
Kalki, maybe second Trumpet 162,000.
Five more Trumpets then Thunders in 10,000 years and the final Convergence about noon, Solstice, end of Satya Yuga 1.89-million years.

Besides this we find Teachers and Avatars:

1486 Chaitanya
1896 first Teacher.
2276 second Teacher.
2967 third Teacher.
3500 fourth Teacher.
4316 First Avatar, Isaiah 42 and 41:27.
6500 Tulsi Avatar.
8900 Holy Name Avatar.
2300-11,500 closing Avatar.

The incursion Trump is making will lie dormant until the Red Horse.
I'm hoping we'll snap back to our senses in 2030.
According to Daniel 9:27 and 12:7 these are 10.5-year Convergence.
Expecting a seven-year Convergence we declare "peace and safety" only to get hit with the third iteration.
Three events are prominent in the White Horse, the first Seal the coronavirus, the first Thunder Maui and the UP burning down, and something about March of 2027.

No, Tom, you couldn't figure it out then, but look how far you've come. Don't let anyone put you down.

Exquisitor said:

Black Horse 4000.

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Prophecies are notoriously and justifiably vague, and matching them to current events seems like a never-ending exercise in creativity for all involved. This is not an accident. Precognition will show you exactly what is going to happen, with regret, as it might not have happened that way if you hadn't seen it: it's a disease and a crime. But prophecy reveals some bold outline of the higher intent and purpose behind the plot of the universe, while leaving it to the free will of people to fill in the details, and so it is not malicious. But somewhere between future and past we start to say the prophecy might have been fulfilled just so, even if we aren't really qualified.

For what it's worth, the way I would try to fit this together is that the Jehovah's Witnesses got the date of the Rapture right ... they just didn't want to see what it was. Not happy good people soaring into the sky on a way to a Heaven in space after all. The Armenian genocide was quoted by Hitler as proof that the genocide of the Jews would go unopposed. What they have in common is that Aramaic speakers call Yeshua by name, and Jews write the Tetragrammaton as it appears in the text. "All those who call on the name of the Lord", in other words. I think the main point of the story was that people like little Anne Frank, ascending in a whirlwind from the smokestack of Auschwitz, met the Lord in the air.

Each of the seals is an illusion; each time one breaks it is a revelation. But virtue is based on illusion. When Mychal Judge stood praying over the "suicides" who leapt from the World Trade Center, they were people who took their best hope for survival, and who, I personally think, don't really need Last Rites to be eligible for heaven. But that is not to say it wasn't an act of martyrdom - not suicide - for him to go in there. Perhaps he will be beatified; why not?

The First Seal was a virtue of obedience ... the loyal King's Man with his positive law. But when roughly 144,000 people who called on the name of the Lord were saved, the world saw that Law is Crime.

The Second Seal was a virtue of the warrior ... the ferocious pursuit of a cause in the hope that God would show support for the victor. But people built tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, to prevent nuclear war. Now we know that War is Peace - our entire hope for physical safety lies on the ability to destroy most of the world in under fifteen minutes. Every now and then there is a test, and the rocket's red glare gallops across the sky.

The Third Seal was the virtual of the worker ... when all else in the world is mad, chop another tree, sell another vacuum cleaner, bring home money to your children. A vision of civilian virtue. But now there is environmental devastation, and AI can do the work, and we are reaching the point where Work is Uselessness. Famine - not a famine but the Famine - stalks Gaza on black horses of the IDF, where the black market rates for food actually match the biblical prediction.

bythoughts said:

Prophecies are notoriously and justifiably vague, and matching them to current events seems like a never-ending exercise in creativity for all involved. This is not an accident.

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then maybe you need to Tune in to some good Prophecy Preaching. and i can suggest some besides watching what the news brings us almost daily my friend. the Middle East should plainly shout at you that the END is near.

it does to me.


https://www.youtube.com/@prophecywatchers very good channel with a variety of Prophecy experts, my go to for End Timey stuff

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bible+prophecy+that+is+happening good review of some basics, a mixed bag, but may be of interest

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=la+marzulli LA Marzulli has earned his stripes, when you get the basics down and are believing, he is your man.

i have some more for you, but this will be fine for this morning.

your Bible is your Primary Source however, Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, and the Gospels should do the job. get some good Bible Commentaries and Prophetic bible prophecy books.

thanks for starting this thread as it will be a good place to drop Bible Prophecy preaching here on the forum.

Prophecy is hitting the fan increasingly with Israel picking some fights with Iran, but note that Israel will invade Lebanon and also destroy Damascus in one night per Isaiah 17 and other scripture.


Prophecy marches on friends. what about you? are you ready for the Rapture today?


blessings and hope till the End of Time.

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bythoughts said:

Precognition will show you exactly what is going to happen, with regret, as it might not have happened that way if you hadn't seen it: it's a disease and a crime. But prophecy reveals some bold outline of the higher intent and purpose behind the plot of the universe, while leaving it to the free will of people to fill in the details, and so it is not malicious. But somewhere between future and past we start to say the prophecy might have been fulfilled just so, even if we aren't really qualified.

For what it's worth, the way I would try to fit this together is that the Jehovah's Witnesses got the date of the Rapture right ... they just didn't want to see what it was. Not happy good people soaring into the sky on a way to a Heaven in space after all. The Armenian genocide was quoted by Hitler as proof that the genocide of the Jews would go unopposed. What they have in common is that Aramaic speakers call Yeshua by name, and Jews write the Tetragrammaton as it appears in the text. "All those who call on the name of the Lord", in other words. I think the main point of the story was that people like little Anne Frank, ascending in a whirlwind from the smokestack of Auschwitz, met the Lord in the air.

Each of the seals is an illusion; each time one breaks it is a revelation. But virtue is based on illusion. When Mychal Judge stood praying over the "suicides" who leapt from the World Trade Center, they were people who took their best hope for survival, and who, I personally think, don't really need Last Rites to be eligible for heaven. But that is not to say it wasn't an act of martyrdom - not suicide - for him to go in there. Perhaps he will be beatified; why not?

The First Seal was a virtue of obedience ... the loyal King's Man with his positive law. But when roughly 144,000 people who called on the name of the Lord were saved, the world saw that Law is Crime.

The Second Seal was a virtue of the warrior ... the ferocious pursuit of a cause in the hope that God would show support for the victor. But people built tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, to prevent nuclear war. Now we know that War is Peace - our entire hope for physical safety lies on the ability to destroy most of the world in under fifteen minutes. Every now and then there is a test, and the rocket's red glare gallops across the sky.

The Third Seal was the virtual of the worker ... when all else in the world is mad, chop another tree, sell another vacuum cleaner, bring home money to your children. A vision of civilian virtue. But now there is environmental devastation, and AI can do the work, and we are reaching the point where Work is Uselessness. Famine - not a famine but the Famine - stalks Gaza on black horses of the IDF, where the black market rates for food actually match the biblical prediction.

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Mark 13:32-33 KJV

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

Pipe down. You don't know and you won't know.

Loulit01 said:

Mark 13:32-33 KJV

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

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of course Lou

no one here has said the 'day or the hour'

but we can know the 'times and the seasons'

learn about the End Times signs to look for my friend. the Biggest sign is Israel becoming a nation, the next will be wars wit Iran, Russia, Lebanon and Damascus which will be destroyed in one night.

Lou, get up to speed my friend: it is happening and FAST.

Loulit01 said:

33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

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Loulit01 said:

Pipe down. You don't know and you won't know.

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oh yes we do know what Signs to look for. dig into some sweeeeet Prophetic preaching and get on yur knees because this may be The Year we be leaving.

hello Rapture of the church, good bye old World, i am thru with you.


blessings 2025 the End is near friends. get ready and Poof.


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Yeah, no.

Loulit01 said:

Yeah, no.

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yeah yeah Lou

watch some LA Marzulli or Crystal love 4 Jesus and come back with 'yeah yeah'. i will wait.


blessings today, Sunday and time for Mourner's Bench at real Bible church.



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Loulit01 said:

Mark 13:32-33 KJV

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

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True and that is why Jesus gave us signs to look out for...

Daisy said:

True and that is why Jesus gave us signs to look out for...

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yes. very much yes and no Rocket Science looking for signs needed.

start with gooooooooogle news, with abundance of Signs. i do and try to feature them in various threads.


blessings all, happy fathers day.

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Revelation said:

oh yes we do know what Signs to look for. dig into some sweeeeet Prophetic preaching and get on yur knees because this may be The Year we be leaving.



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I have an atheist friend/business partner who recently opened a a store named 'Mourner Bench City and Beyond', Rev.

Benches are hand-crafted from the finest mahogany wood by primitive Amazonian tribesmen. He also sells Islamic 'praying mats' (big seller!) as well as statues of Buddha, rosary beads, necklaces with crosses and other various religious goodies. He's making enough money now to build his own mansion with a paved golden driveway in which he parks his collection of gold-plated Corvettes and an exact replica of the Popemobile. He keeps the Bentleys and Rolls-Royces in a separate storage facility.

He's now got his city permit to build an addition/expansion to the store in which he will be selling all things "Prophetic". (Grand Opening date on new addition pending)

Sunday blessings to your and yours, "bro".

Logician Man said:

I have an atheist friend/business partner who recently opened a a store named 'Mourner Bench City and Beyond', Rev.

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good Logic friend, hopefully it rubs off on you and other atheists to as having a Home Mourner's Bench is something new to me.

get a real sturdy one made of hard wood and varnished well. keep Kleenex box on it while you pray....and pray without ceasing would be the right amount of pray i think.

also get some christians books in yur library and throw out the Secular ones that my contradict Christian teachings.

your on the Right Track my friends.

Logician Man said:

Benches are hand-crafted from the finest mahogany wood by primitive Amazonian tribesmen.

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wow, better than the rough pine ones used in the days of ore.

are these Affordable and maybe some payment plans available ?

Logician Man said:

He also sells Islamic 'praying mats' (big seller!) as well as statues of Buddha, rosary beads, necklaces with crosses and other various religious goodies.

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no, don't get any of those, just a Mourner's Bench and a bunch of good christian books. i can guide you with a few of those toooo.

Logician Man said:

He's making enough money now to build his own mansion with a paved golden driveway in which he parks his collection of gold-plated Corvettes and an exact replica of the Popemobile. He keeps the Bentleys and Rolls-Royces in a separate storage facility.

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tell him to give his money to the poor and needy and he will have Riches in heaven instead.

and then give him a Blessing.

Logician Man said:

He's now got his city permit to build an addition/expansion to the store in which he will be selling all things "Prophetic". (Grand Opening date on new addition pending)

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amazing. i didn't think that Prophetic things had so much Lucrative potential; and i give it away Free on this forum. many of us just live in Caves and grow long beards, preaching the 'End is Near' on street corners.

some how yur buddy is doing something that is not tooo traditional with us Prophets.

Logician Man said:

Sunday blessings to your and yours, "bro".

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thanks Logic. and please send a picture of yur new Mourner's bench; sorry gotta run to real Bible church soon


blessings over and over till the End Times and beyond.


bye.

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Revelation said:

thanks Logic. and please send a picture of yur new Mourner's bench

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Here you go, "bro". I'm currently 'test driving' this one, but it will need some additional customizations. I'm thinking a small fridge attachment hidden in the side wall for adult beverages, as well as a couple of cup holders for 'wafers' and 'sacrificial wine'.

Logician Man said:

Here you go, "bro". I'm currently 'test driving' this one, but it will need some additional customizations. I'm thinking a small fridge attachment hidden in the side wall for adult beverages, as well as a couple of cup holders for 'wafers' and 'sacrificial wine'.

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hey Logic: reading Comprehension.

no bro, this will not do, God is not on yur list of Drive Thru things for this week. get rid of that recliner and other Nice things in yur house.

have a Garage sale or whatever and sit on Orange crates.

then get a Real Mourner's Bench. the kind that isn't sanded, varnished or well made. should have plenty of Tear stains on it from others who have Mourned over their wayward living.

check around on the internet or used stores, maybe a Pastor can help you find one or three for yur house and Back yard.

hurry up, cause WW three is on the calendar for this year; seems that iran and israel wanna fight and no one to stop them.


put this in yur back yard....



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also a Book for you to read, pass it one when yur done....


...blessings all, Logic will be fine, just a little lost in finding The Truth.


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Revelation said:

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Ah, yes. Good ole Aron Seaborn. One of my all time favorite authors. I cried like a baby all 32 times I've read "THE MOURNERS' BENCH".

Logician Man said:

Ah, yes. Good ole Aron Seaborn. One of my all time favorite authors. I cried like a baby all 32 times I've read "THE MOURNERS' BENCH".

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good.

this also might work if yur short of space....

Revelation said:

good.

this also might work if yur short of space....


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I'm organizing a big Mourner's Bench donation drive to give to a home that takes care of the frail and elderly, Rev. That one would be too rough and painful on their old, brittle heinies. Bur thanks for the look/see. It's an absolutely beautiful apparatus, bro.

Logician Man said:

I'm organizing a big Mourner's Bench donation drive to give to a home that takes care of the frail and elderly, Rev.

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would it not be Simpler to go to Home Depot and buy a hammer and some boards ?

you almost need Zero skills to make these things, and the Simpler the better. maybe inscribe a Scripture on the thing in the end; no padding or Sanding please.

Logician Man said:

That one would be too rough and painful on their old, brittle heinies.

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yur mistaken my friend, this is NOT about comfort; actually the opposite would be best. rough, uneven, discolored, is about par for the course when it comes to these benches.

please re-think.

thanks.

Logician Man said:

Bur thanks for the look/see. It's an absolutely beautiful apparatus, bro.

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beauty ? again, not the right idea. this is not High church stuff with Robes, funny hats and Latin.

this is out in the Country, log cabin Meetin Houses, with circuit riding Methodist Preachers of yore. foot stompin, sawdust trail and weeks of hot summer Revival preaching till we chase the devil out of everyone in the County.

sorry Logic if you misunderstood what this is all about my friend.

this is not Sunday Morning christianity, but this is sunday Mourning christianity of the Old Time Religion.

the Old Time Religion was gooood for everyone including you.

here, try singing this song and come back. we need to get back to Revelation with a Clear Head....




...play this LOUD on an old out of Tune piano for best effect. keep playing and singing till everyone on their kneeeeees.


got it?


blessings. till the End or the End finds you.

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Revelation said:

this is out in the Country, log cabin Meetin Houses, with circuit riding Methodist Preachers of yore. foot stompin, sawdust trail and weeks of hot summer Revival preaching till we chase the devil out of everyone in the County.

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Sounds fantastic to me personally, Rev, but the potential converts I'm helping aren't "Country" people and would only start laughing at a grown adult who would try to convince them by "foot stompin'. They may even leave the facility out of fearing for their personal safety. Remember, these fine folks are old and frail and not receptive to what amounts to throwing a childish tantrum.

Logician Man said:

Sounds fantastic to me personally, Rev, but the potential converts I'm helping aren't "Country" people and would only start laughing at a grown adult who would try to convince them by "foot stompin'. They may even leave the facility out of fearing for their personal safety. Remember, these fine folks are old and frail and not receptive to what amounts to throwing a childish tantrum.

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forget foot stompin Logic

now it is Head Stompin time.......or Revelation of John at your local Everything.

take a gander....


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blessings all. Mourner's Bench of any kind time.


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Revelation said:

forget foot stompin Logic

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Not to worry. Rev. I jetted that bad advice as soon as I read it. I don't want to act foolishly and traumatize a potential convert. I love and respect the vulnerable elderly.

Logician Man said:

Not to worry. Rev. I jetted that bad advice as soon as I read it. I don't want to act foolishly and traumatize a potential convert. I love and respect the vulnerable elderly.

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good, now get back to work on that Bench; hope yur done by mornin...........if there is one.

• Iran Shoots Down Third F-35 Fighter, Captures Second Pilot: What Are the Implications? With the large majority of Israeli fighter squadrons considered effectively obsolete, relying on F-15s and F-16s using ageing mechanically scanned array radars,
• Blasts heard in Tel Aviv and Tehran left looking 'like a war zone' as Iran and Israel exchange airstrikes for third day - live updates: Iran said Israel struck two oil refineries near Tehran overnight, as well as the headquarters of Iran's Ministry of Defe

and never mind my Tru News, all scare talk anyway to you.

just git yur soul ready Bench or no bench, kneel some place and be quick about it.


again, see you all in the Mornin...................if there is one.


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Revelation said:

good, now get back to work on that Bench


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No can do right now, bro Rev. Sunday evening services to attend then, off to the foothills to give some homeless folks food and bottled water.

Logician Man said:

No can do right now, bro Rev. Sunday evening services to attend then, off to the foothills to give some homeless folks food and bottled water.

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great yu already gettin Revival friend.

hopefully they have old fashioned Foot Stompin musik down there, the kind that warms yur soul and turns from Wicked ways.

yu coming along fine Logic

now i gotta work on the rest of this forum, before all of Revelation breaks out even tonight. when yu hear the Angel's Trumpets, head down to safer quarters below ground at least. have Provisions but make none for the Flesh, only the Spirit till the End.


...these are the Angels of Revelations pouring out Judgements on the earth, there is no escape. none.


...i have warned about the Ezekiel wars, well Iran is opening the doors to that Judgement. it doesn't go to well for them as seen in the comic.


blessings, it is written, it shall be done....get right or get left................behind.

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