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Revealed: Rudy's '08 battle plans

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New York Daily News - Home - Daily News Exclusive - Ben Smith: Revealed: Rudy's '08 battle plans

Ben Smith of the NY Daily News somehow got hold of Rudy's 140 page "battle plan." He said it was leaked to him by someone who "supported a rival of Rudy's for the White House"

It's clearly laid out in 140 pages of printed text, handwriting and spreadsheets: The top-secret plan for Rudy Giuliani's bid for the White House.

The remarkably detailed dossier sets out the budgets, schedules and fund-raising plans that will underpin the former New York mayor's presidential campaign - as well as his aides' worries that personal and political baggage could scuttle his run.

At the center of his efforts: a massive fund-raising push to bring in at least $100 million this year, with a scramble for at least $25 million in the next three months alone.

One page cites the explicit concern that he might "drop out of [the] race" as a consequence of his potentially "insurmountable" personal and political vulnerabilities.

On the same page is a list of the candidate's central problems in bullet-point form: his private sector business; disgraced former aide Bernard Kerik; his third wife, Judith Nathan Giuliani; "social issues," on which is he is more liberal than most Republicans, and his former wife Donna Hanover.
"All will come out - in worst light," the memo continues. "$100 million against us on this stuff."

The pages are photocopied, some including copies of handwritten notes. On one page, two tasks for Giuliani aide Anthony Carbonetti - his closest political adviser and frequent travel companion - are highlighted in yellow.

[T]he papers suggest Giuliani will model at least the fund-raising portion of his campaign explicitly on Bush's. Several pages appear to be Bush-Cheney campaign internal budget documents and are marked "confidential."

Bush divided his main fund-raisers into "Rangers," who raised at least $200,000 each, and "Pioneers," who raised $100,000. Giuliani's metaphor is baseball: "Team Captains" are responsible for $1 million each in contributions, and "MVPs" bring in $200,000 each. Bush's "Pioneers" become Giuliani's "All-Stars," and those who raise $50,000 are "Sluggers."

Giuliani differs from Bush in one important way, though. His fund-raising heartland isn't Texas, but the more liberal state of California, the only place other than New York and Washington where the campaign plans to open a dedicated fund-raising office.

Still, Giuliani enters the race with ambitious fund-raising goals that will likely consume huge amounts of his time and energy this year. The plan projects his raising $100 million to $125 million this year at 250 different gatherings with wealthy donors - including $25 million to $30 million at 50 events over the next three months.

His schedule, an aide said in a handwritten note on one page, is "an issue."

This is pretty interesting.

The part that I bolded is made even more interesting considering the claim from Rudy's office that it was not lost, but stolen:

Mindel said that while working on the 2006 campaign trail, a Giuliani aide lost a piece of luggage containing the paper.

"After repeated requests over the course of a few days, the bag was finally returned with the document inside. Because our staffer had custody of this document at all times except for this one occasion, it is clear that the document was removed from the luggage and photocopied," she said.
 
Bye bye Rudy, been real nice to know you.
 
Bye bye Rudy, been real nice to know you.

Please. Everything in that document was already public knowledge, even if it wasn't widely known; it would have come out in the campaign anyway. The fact that he's acknowledging it and preparing his counter-strategy just shows that he's playing to win.

If he can make the accusation stick, he'll get more mileage with the documents having been stolen than his opponents would get out of using them.
 
Please. Everything in that document was already public knowledge, even if it wasn't widely known; it would have come out in the campaign anyway. The fact that he's acknowledging it and preparing his counter-strategy just shows that he's playing to win.

If he can make the accusation stick, he'll get more mileage with the documents having been stolen than his opponents would get out of using them.

This is very true. I mean, honestly, who benefits from Rudy getting his face splashed across the front pages for a couple days talking about his "serious plans" to run for the Presidency?

I would almost be inclined to say it was purposely leaked, but the specificity of the fundraising stuff makes that really unlikely.
 
Obviously he wasn't to careful. They all seem to have skeletons.......so time will tell.

I don't see one candidate that I like on either side.

Potential candidate I meant.........
 
Political Paper Stolen, Giuliani Camp Says

Political Paper Stolen, Giuliani Camp Says

By PATRICK HEALY
Published: January 3, 2007
Advisers to former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani said yesterday that someone infiltrated the Giuliani camp last fall and stole a document about his presidential prospects and political liabilities. It was then leaked, they said, as a “dirty trick” to embarrass Mr. Giuliani and highlight such headaches as his controversial former aide, Bernard B. Kerik, and one of his ex-wives, Donna Hanover.

The Daily News was given the 140-page document recently by someone “sympathetic to one of Giuliani’s rivals for the White House,” The News said in an article published yesterday. According to the article, the document proposes a $100 million fund-raising effort for 2007, names an array of potential donors, and warns that Mr. Giuliani might face “insurmountable” problems, including questions about Mr. Kerik and Ms. Hanover.

Mr. Giuliani is expected to decide over the next few months whether to run for president, his advisers say, and he has already formed an exploratory committee to raise money.

A Giuliani spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, said yesterday that the document belonged to a staff member and did not reflect official strategy, but “simply someone’s ideas which were committed to paper over three months ago.” Ms. Mindel said the document was apparently stolen from a piece of luggage during a Giuliani political trip last fall, then photocopied and replaced in the luggage. Ms. Mindel said she did not know if her office would seek a criminal investigation of the alleged theft.

The public disclosure of the document is potentially damaging for Mr. Giuliani, not least because since 9/11, he has built a business as a private consultant on security issues while creating an image as a political leader capable of combating terrorism. Indeed, an adviser to one of his possible rivals in 2008, Senator John McCain of Arizona, half-joked yesterday that it was interesting that Mr. Giuliani’s businesses included security consulting.

“I’m surprised that something like that would ever leave the custody of a campaign, and that such raw and frank information would be around the countryside,” said the McCain adviser, John Weaver. “That said, a lot of the information was predictable.”

The document outlines a fund-raising effort to bring in at least $25 million by the end of March, and to spend more than $21 million this year. The News said it included notations that named Mr. Giuliani’s chief fund-raiser, Anne Dickerson, and a senior political aide, Anthony Carbonetti; Ms. Mindel would not say to whom the document belonged.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/n...&en=c66c6df1c5ce17af&ei=5094&partner=homepage

I see that the libs have the Sandy Burger syndrome again......you guys really have a problem with lying and stealing don't you?

I am sure it was probably someone from the Hitlery camp as they know that Giuliani has the best chance of beating her.....he wont get my vote though.....
 
Re: Political Paper Stolen, Giuliani Camp Says

So how about it, lefties? Any comments on this?
How about the press knowingly running an article based on a document obtained illegally?
 
Please. Everything in that document was already public knowledge, even if it wasn't widely known; it would have come out in the campaign anyway. The fact that he's acknowledging it and preparing his counter-strategy just shows that he's playing to win.

If he can make the accusation stick, he'll get more mileage with the documents having been stolen than his opponents would get out of using them.
What should be done about the newspaper that ran this? They ran an article that was based on STOLEN documents. Shoul dthey walk away untouched? IMO, Rudy should sue them for every single dime they have and then add on a couple of extra million.

What about the people who stole the documents? The newspaper has matierial evidence (both in the documents and the identity of the people who provided them), shoud they be forced to reveal their sources? This issue isn't about Rudy, it's about a newspaper taking advantage of an illegal act in order to make money.
 
What should be done about the newspaper that ran this?

Nothing.They didn't steal the documents, and it's their job to report the news-- including the activities and plans of public figures. Unlike the disgusting morass that is the paparazzi, this newspaper was even admirably focusing on people whose activities and plans affect us.

faithful_servant said:
What about the people who stole the documents?

Eh. If you don't want something to be read in the newspaper, don't write it down.

You're probably asking the wrong person these questions-- I favor transparency over privacy, in almost every instance. If you have secrets... keep them secret.
 
I'm biased for lil "Benito Giuliani". Although, it is humorous that the man who is CEO of Giuliani Partners, which is a security consulting firm, loses his battle plans. But what it comes down to is that this isn't shocking info at all and I'd still throw him my vote unless he changes his positions on things.
 
I might do the same, if he makes the general election. I'm uncomfortable with his position on guns... but he isn't any worse than any of the Democrats on that issue, and he doesn't seem to be in bed with the Inquisition.

Hell, if he gets the nod I might even stop burying food in my backyard.
 
Re: Political Paper Stolen, Giuliani Camp Says

So how about it, lefties? Any comments on this?
How about the press knowingly running an article based on a document obtained illegally?
they are hiding from this one.......:mrgreen:
 
What should be done about the newspaper that ran this? They ran an article that was based on STOLEN documents. Shoul dthey walk away untouched? IMO, Rudy should sue them for every single dime they have and then add on a couple of extra million.

What about the people who stole the documents? The newspaper has matierial evidence (both in the documents and the identity of the people who provided them), shoud they be forced to reveal their sources? This issue isn't about Rudy, it's about a newspaper taking advantage of an illegal act in order to make money.

Legally he has absolutely no recourse. If the paper can plausibly claim that they didn't know they were obtained illegally, then they have no liability in the matter. And unless Rudy has other evidence (and I'm talking proof that there only existed one possible way for it to get lost and then video evidence showing a shadowy figure taking it and giving it to the paper), no judge will make the News reveal their source.
 
Re: Political Paper Stolen, Giuliani Camp Says

You're both quite mistaken as to how the law works in this area. It is by no means whatsoever illegal for a newspaper to print something that turns out later to have been stolen (and that's assuming you believe Rudy's camp on this, which I don't necessarily do).

If the paper, at the time of printing, believe the material had been obtained legally (which they did, they reported that the person who handed it over said they found it in a hotel lobby), then they are completely exonerated from liability.

It's not a "lefty/righty" thing, it's just how the law works.
 
I'm biased for lil "Benito Giuliani". Although, it is humorous that the man who is CEO of Giuliani Partners, which is a security consulting firm, loses his battle plans. But what it comes down to is that this isn't shocking info at all and I'd still throw him my vote unless he changes his positions on things.
He didn't "lose" them, they were stolen. Read first, then type.
 
He didn't "lose" them, they were stolen. Read first, then type.
Lose is the appropriate verb for that situation:
2 : to miss from one's possession or from a customary or supposed place
3 : to suffer deprivation of : part with especially in an unforeseen or accidental manner

Especially since "steal" is purely conjecture right now.
 
Re: Political Paper Stolen, Giuliani Camp Says

they are hiding from this one.......:mrgreen:

Not really. Just no one really cares. Your trying to make this into some big scandalous conspiracy from the left when the documents that were published say nothing of circumstance and could as well been leaked by anyone.

Put your foil hat back on and try again.
 
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